From: eGroups Digest [dmcnews@egroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 11:24 AM To: David.Swingle Subject: dmcnews digest eGroups Daily Digest: dmcnews has 16 new messages. Click here http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=784 to read them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 784. SweatyEddy [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 785. DMC Joe [DML] Re: DML:Air Conditioning/ Bad Service 786. KayoOng@aol.com [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 787. Brian Henderlong [DML] HotWheels DMC pics 788. DMC Joe [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise 789. jordang@wf.quik.com [DML] Re: window switch needed 790. BETTYCAT [DML] De Loreans wanted 791. Cole Stinnette [DML] DeLorean sighting in Poquoson 792. MBell14632@aol.com [DML] Delorean Engines for Sale 793. Aldo Buono [DML] De Loreana 794. Christopher Mack [DML] D Quality question 795. Eric Hennebury [DML] re: Missing 796. KayoOng@aol.com [DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale 797. dswingle@enteract.com [DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale 798. magriese@us.ibm.com [DML] Re: D Quality question 799. Gerald Deutsch [DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 784 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=784 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "SweatyEddy" References: <374DBF94.2C58@wco.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:45:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 2 cents from watching a friend convert his Firebird: If the system is charged with R134a the compressor will continue to compress the refrigerant as it had done before, the HX'ers, namely the condensor and evaporator will exchange heat but will not be optimized for this refrigerant upgrade so performance will fall off slightly. This may not mean much to you in mild climates but here in the central valley of California it is quite noticeable. There is also an issue with lubrication and sealing. You must add in the a new lubrication, called PAG oil. The o-rings in the system were NBR materials, it was recommend that they be converted to HNBR o-ring seals. It has been shown that either the R134a or PAG oil attack the NBR o-ring seals. If you do convert remember to have the system evacuated of air prior to adding the R134a and PAG oil. Also remember to keep an eye on the charge level. A low charge level will lead to a loss in performance but more importantly will lead to a sharp reduction in lubrication circulation, which will cause wear to the compressor. R134a refrigerant is an HFC type that has been "shown to cause zero depletion to the ozone layer", I am yet to see convincing evidence that R12 depletes the ozone. In fact in my 10+ years as a chemist I have seen studies that show a greater a correlation to ozone depletion by the methane that is given off from cows belching (I kid you not). -SweatyEddy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 785 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=785 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 02:32:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DML:Air Conditioning/ Bad Service Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe, Take your D to an AC specialty facility. The DeLorean AC unit is a GM type set up and any qualified facility should be able to repair it. The only pressurized component under the dash is the evaporator, the other major components are outside of the passenger compartment. The clicking compressor means your system is low on freon. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: Joe Palatinus > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] Re: DML:Air Conditioning/ Bad Service > Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 11:04 PM > > My air compressor clutch has been clicking about every three seconds, and I > took it to a guy who told me over the phone, "I have worked on Deloreans > before," and "Your car is not so strange to me" He said he checked for > leaks and found one under the dash, he charged 45 bucks for that and he > also left my D out in the rain. He refused to refill it with freon as it > had a leak, and he said that he did not know how long it would take to > repair the leak, but at 45 bucks an hour I decided that the clicking in the > back was ok. I am never leaving my D' at a that guys place again. > k now it still cools, but it clicks often and for what that guys word is > worth it has a leak under the dash, now the question is what to do now? > Should I take it to the local Pep boys? Suggestions? Am I right in assuming > that a leak under the dash is really really bad, as the majority of the A/C > components are there? > > Joe P. > VIN 6808 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 786 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=786 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: KayoOng@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:10:40 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, My two cents on this thread. Continue the use of R-12 in the DeLoreans or any other older cars that is fitted for R-12. R-134A is not all that good for the existing R-12 systems. R-134A is a compromise. There are major work and expense (unless you don't mind) involved to change the compressor or the seals and to flush the system out for the use of R-134A. Too many things to do, to get it right for the use in a R-12 system. Yes, the "newer" cars that uses R-134A is cold, but they were engineered from the beginning with R-134A in mind and with all components to support the use of R-134A. Conversion is not the answer and it will not offer the COLDEST effect in cooling as R-12. We have done it on many old cars of other marques (not with DeLoreans, yet). Looking back, it was a major mistake now. In the beginning of the panic, we were told that R-12 was no longer to be available which started a panic with many people of who depended on R-12 -- the auto, commercial and other users alike. That was almost ten years ago. R-12 is still available today. Until R-12 is completely depleted or so expensive, it is okay to continue the use for all the remaining cars. The demand of R-12 will fade away slowly with time. The remaining cars that do uses R-12 will not destroy the ozone and the environment as much as all the other "ills" in the rest of the world that is contributing to this demise. PURE freon R-12 is still available. It is expensive, but available. You will need a license to buy and to use it. Your car once fill will not need to be filled every year. You many need a little topping once every two years, if any. If you need more then one pound, you have a leak. Better get that leak fixed, for the atmospheric air and R-12 becomes hydrochloric acid -- it is detrimental to the components of the A/C system! It will eat the system from inside out. This will be a MAJOR expense to change the components and labor that is involved. For all of you who do have leak, find it, corrected it and vaccum/evacuate the system of air, then fill to the correct operating pressure or pounds of freon to sure up the system. This is job is for a professional with the proper equipment and "know how" (unless you are able to do it). If the system is correct prepared, it will sever you many years -- trouble free. In an A/C system, a difference of five degrees or more of cold air output is a major difference when it is competing against 90 plus ambient heat of hot sun and humidity. In DeLorean it is a noticeable difference due to the little insulation and the poor electrical output from the factory's alternator. You can't used the blower on high mode and be in idle or creeping in traffic for it causes a drain on the battery. This will be another headache when you stop the car and try to start it again. The few DeLoreans cars that I have been in, they were using R-12 with a "correct charge A/C system", it just cuts the comfort level in the "hot" weather and temperature. I don't know any DeLorean owners using R-134A. I would like to know from those who has converted their system and can give some input with some facts to support the difference between the two in the hot weather. This is info I would like to know with the DeLorean's A/C system. Besides, I can't see how anyone can drive or ride in a DeLorean without A/C or with an inadequate system in hot weather. ***As a practice you should run the A/C system once a month during the winter months. This is to keep the system perk and fresh.*** Kayo Ong #05508 Lic 9D NY ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 787 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=787 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:33:22 -0400 From: Brian Henderlong Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] HotWheels DMC pics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are two shots of a HotWheels DeLorean at: http://hawk.extreme.com/HotWheels.htm FYI, Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL / NAISSO# 3807 / 1995 DGGM Impala SS mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com http://home.tampabay.rr.com/deloreans/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 788 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=788 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:43:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kayo, I don't have any specs' but I do have two owners in my data base who have done the conversion. One is partially satisfied and comments that the AC is not as cold as it was with R-12. The other owner is completely disgusted and said he is wished a friend of his never convinced him to make the change. Obviously we agree with you and strongly discourage any one from making the change. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: KayoOng@aol.com > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning / Clicking Noise > Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 12:10 AM > > Folks, > > My two cents on this thread. > > Continue the use of R-12 in the DeLoreans or any other older cars that is > fitted for R-12. R-134A is not all that good for the existing R-12 systems. > R-134A is a compromise. There are major work and expense (unless you don't > mind) involved to change the compressor or the seals and to flush the system > out for the use of R-134A. Too many things to do, to get it right for the use > in a R-12 system. > > Yes, the "newer" cars that uses R-134A is cold, but they were engineered from > the beginning with R-134A in mind and with all components to support the use > of R-134A. Conversion is not the answer and it will not offer the COLDEST > effect in cooling as R-12. We have done it on many old cars of other marques > (not with DeLoreans, yet). Looking back, it was a major mistake now. > > In the beginning of the panic, we were told that R-12 was no longer to be > available which started a panic with many people of who depended on R-12 -- > the auto, commercial and other users alike. That was almost ten years ago. > R-12 is still available today. Until R-12 is completely depleted or so > expensive, it is okay to continue the use for all the remaining cars. The > demand of R-12 will fade away slowly with time. The remaining cars that do > uses R-12 will not destroy the ozone and the environment as much as all the > other "ills" in the rest of the world that is contributing to this demise. > > PURE freon R-12 is still available. It is expensive, but available. You > will need a license to buy and to use it. Your car once fill will not need > to be filled every year. You many need a little topping once every two > years, if any. If you need more then one pound, you have a leak. Better get > that leak fixed, for the atmospheric air and R-12 becomes hydrochloric acid > -- it is detrimental to the components of the A/C system! It will eat the > system from inside out. This will be a MAJOR expense to change the > components and labor that is involved. For all of you who do have leak, find > it, corrected it and vaccum/evacuate the system of air, then fill to the > correct operating pressure or pounds of freon to sure up the system. This is > job is for a professional with the proper equipment and "know how" (unless > you are able to do it). If the system is correct prepared, it will sever you > many years -- trouble free. > > In an A/C system, a difference of five degrees or more of cold air output is > a major difference when it is competing against 90 plus ambient heat of hot > sun and humidity. In DeLorean it is a noticeable difference due to the > little insulation and the poor electrical output from the factory's > alternator. You can't used the blower on high mode and be in idle or creeping > in traffic for it causes a drain on the battery. This will be another > headache when you stop the car and try to start it again. The few DeLoreans > cars that I have been in, they were using R-12 with a "correct charge A/C > system", it just cuts the comfort level in the "hot" weather and temperature. > > > I don't know any DeLorean owners using R-134A. I would like to know from > those who has converted their system and can give some input with some facts > to support the difference between the two in the hot weather. This is info I > would like to know with the DeLorean's A/C system. > > Besides, I can't see how anyone can drive or ride in a DeLorean without A/C > or with an inadequate system in hot weather. > > ***As a practice you should run the A/C system once a month during the winter > months. This is to keep the system perk and fresh.*** > > Kayo Ong > #05508 > Lic 9D NY > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 789 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=789 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:33:56 -0000 From: jordang@wf.quik.com In-Reply-To: <00af01bea979$0ad7bbc0$3a540a3f@MSN/mdrig> Subject: [DML] Re: window switch needed Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <00af01bea979$0ad7bbc0$3a540a3-@msn/mdrig> wrote: Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=762 > Does anyone have a working window switch they'd sell? > > I just bought a switch from one of the little known mechanics and part suppliers. His name is Jerry Rine. He said that he had the last of the switches. He charged me $75. His phone in Ohio is 740-366-5587. You can call his on weekends and evenings. Jordan Gary vin 0987 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 790 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=790 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:11:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bettycat@t-online.de (BETTYCAT) Subject: [DML] De Loreans wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=B4m looking for some De Loreans from good to nearly mind condition, = especially with german papers. Please contact me: Christopher Wirz, Hauptstr. 80 , CH- 9506 Lommis, = Switzerland fon/fax 0041 52376 3366 eMail:wirz@delorean.ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 791 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=791 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Cole Stinnette" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:23:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DeLorean sighting in Poquoson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEABA3.61E26B00" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEABA3.61E26B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I spotted a DeLorean driving in Poquoson, VA on Messeck Rd. last week. Thi= s I think is the second time I've seen the car, and I really thought it was= a shame I wasn't in my D at the time. The first time I saw the car, my fr= iend James offered to let me drive his 72 Chevelle Heavy Chevy instead of m= y car, and I wasn't about to pass up the chance to drive a bright orange mu= scle car. Had I taken my car it probably would have gotten the other drive= r's attention and we could have talked for a while. That was a while back. = But when I saw the DeLorean on Messeck Rd. I had gotten into my friend Mik= e's minivan and left my D at his house. I was lying down with my seat recl= ined when Mike told me to sit up and look behind me. I did just that and I= saw a DeLorean in the opposite lane of traffic about to disappear from my = view. Well, anyway, if you drive the DeLorean I saw in Poquoson, email me = (highoctane@nfx.net) and we'll get together and check out each other's car.= By the way, I live in York County, right near Tabb High School. 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I spotted a DeLorean driving in Poquoson, VA on Messeck= Rd. = last week.  This I think is the second time I've seen the car, and I r= eally = thought it was a shame I wasn't in my D at the time.  The first time I= saw = the car, my friend James offered to let me drive his 72 Chevelle Heavy Chev= y = instead of my car, and I wasn't about to pass up the chance to drive a brig= ht = orange muscle car.  Had I taken my car it probably would have gotten t= he = other driver's attention and we could have talked for a while. That was a w= hile = back.  But when I saw the DeLorean on Messeck Rd. I had gotten into my= = friend Mike's minivan and left my D at his house.  I was lying down wi= th my = seat reclined when Mike told me to sit up and look behind me.  I did j= ust = that and I saw a DeLorean in the opposite lane of traffic about to disappea= r = from my view.  Well, anyway, if you drive the DeLorean I saw in Poquos= on, = email me (highoctane@nfx.net) and= we'll = get together and check out each other's car.  By the way, I live in Yo= rk = County, right near Tabb High School.
 
Cole
 
Lisence Plate: RUN DMC
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEABA3.61E26B00-- ------------------------------ message 792 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=792 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: MBell14632@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:37:38 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Delorean Engines for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1981 Delorean long & short block for sale. Please contact me directly for info @MBell14632@aol.com Thanks, Mike Bell Yorktown, VA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 793 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=793 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:46:14 -0400 From: "Aldo Buono" Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] De Loreana Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motor Trend magazine is celebrating its 50th anniversary. Every month, it focuses on the significant events for that given month across any of the last fifty years. In the May, 1999, issue, Motor Trend celebrates the official unveiling of the De Lorean. On page 104, is a front view with all of the lights on. A brief summary of the specifications follows the picture. Aldo Buono, President, De Lorean Midatlantic, dmc1440@earthlink.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 794 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=794 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 00:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Christopher Mack Subject: [DML] D Quality question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard from various sources that DeLoreans built during 10/81-12/81 were higher quality than other build months. In SSI, it mentions that during 11/81 production was DOUBLED from 40 to 80 cars per day. This being the case, I'd expect DeLorean quality to decline since not as much time could be spent on each car....Am I right about this or totally wrong?? Please let me know Thanks Christopher Mack cjmack@jps.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 795 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=795 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Eric Hennebury" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:40:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] re: Missing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01BEAC23.976A1FE0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01BEAC23.976A1FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mike wrote: >Anyone have any other ideas for the skipping? Vac? >jets? valves? plugs? wires? some little black box hiding under the body in= a place where only a trained rat can get to? Mike, I am sure that there are plenty of reasons for this, but speaking from pers= onal experience, I had identical symptoms, and it was the wires. One of th= e plug boots was not seated properly. As far as I know, the intake must be removed to get at the rotor (I tried a= nd failed to do it with the intake left in place). I managed to change the= plugs once without taking it off, but in retrospect, I think I would just = take it off next time. For the added bit of effort, it saves so much hassl= e, and lets you do the job properly. Good luck Eric VIN 17065 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01BEAC23.976A1FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Mike wrote:
>Anyone have any other ideas for the= = skipping? Vac?
>jets? valves? plugs? wires? some little black box hid= ing = under the body ina place where only a trained rat can get to?
 
Mike,
I am sure that there are plenty of reas= ons for = this, but speaking from personal experience, I had identical symptoms, and = it = was the wires.  One of the plug boots was not seated properly.<= /DIV>
As far as I know, the intake must be re= moved to = get at the rotor (I tried and failed to do it with the intake left in = place).  I managed to change the plugs once without taking it off, but= in = retrospect, I think I would just take it off next time.  For the added= bit = of effort, it saves so much hassle, and lets you do the job = properly.
 
Good luck
Eric
VIN 17065
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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01BEAC23.976A1FE0-- ------------------------------ message 796 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=796 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: KayoOng@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:10:02 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/31/99 10:18:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MBell14632@aol.com writes: << MBell14632@aol.com >> Mike, I am kind of lost in this area. What is a long and short block in the PVR engine? I thought there is one engine used only. What is the difference when it comes to power output? What is the cost? I maybe interested. Kayo Ong #05508 Lic. 9D NY ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 797 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=797 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:36:16 -0000 From: dswingle@enteract.com In-Reply-To: Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kayo asked: wrote: Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=796 > In a message dated 5/31/99 10:18:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Mike, > > I am kind of lost in this area. What is a long and short block in the PVR > engine? > I thought there is one engine used only. What is the difference when it > comes to power output? What is the cost? I maybe interested. > > Kayo Ong In gearhead-speak, a "short block" refers to an engine assembly consisting of the block, crankshaft, and pistons all put together. A "long block" refers to the whole engine, cylinder heads, waterpump, and all, but probably without intake manifold or injection assembly. A "Complete Engine Assembly" is how you would pull it out of the car. It is best to ask, different people have different definitions. They all refer to the same PRV engine, just more or less of it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 798 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=798 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: magriese@us.ibm.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:52:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: D Quality question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher After 17 and a half years the larger variables are the previous owners. Mike Griese Storage Software Development Manager IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese@us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880 Christopher Mack on 06/01/99 02:48:56 AM Please respond to dmcnews@egroups.com To: dmcnews@egroups.com cc: (bcc: Mike Griese/Rochester/IBM) Subject: [DML] D Quality question I have heard from various sources that DeLoreans built during 10/81-12/81 were higher quality than other build months. In SSI, it mentions that during 11/81 production was DOUBLED from 40 to 80 cars per day. This being the case, I'd expect DeLorean quality to decline since not as much time could be spent on each car....Am I right about this or totally wrong?? Please let me know Thanks Christopher Mack cjmack@jps.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------ message 799 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=799 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Gerald Deutsch Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:21:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEAC18.95F7F340" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEAC18.95F7F340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You are correct. Short block is without the heads, long block is with the h= eads. ---Dan ---------- From: =09dswingle@enteract.com[SMTP:dswingle@enteract.com] Sent: =09Tuesday, June 01, 1999 9:36 AM To: =09dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: =09[DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale Kayo asked: wrote: = Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=3D796 > In a message dated 5/31/99 10:18:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = > Mike, = > = > I am kind of lost in this area. What is a long and short block in the PV= R = > engine? > I thought there is one engine used only. What is the difference when it = > comes to power output? What is the cost? I maybe interested. > = > Kayo Ong In gearhead-speak, a "short block" refers to an engine assembly consisting = of the block, crankshaft, and pistons all put together. A "long block" refe= rs to the whole engine, cylinder heads, waterpump, and all, but probably wi= thout intake manifold or injection assembly. A "Complete Engine Assembly" i= s how you would pull it out of the car. It is best to ask, different people have different definitions. = They all refer to the same PRV engine, just more or less of it. = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEAC18.95F7F340 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef content-transfer-encoding: base64 content-type: application/ms-tnef eJ8+IgAOAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ABwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEUAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABkbWNuZXdzQGVncm91cHMuY29tAFNNVFAAZG1jbmV3c0BlZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQAAAAAe AAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAFAAAAGRtY25ld3NAZWdyb3Vwcy5jb20AAwAVDAEA AAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAAFgAAACdkbWNuZXdzQGVncm91cHMuY29tJwAAAAIBCzABAAAAGQAA AFNNVFA6RE1DTkVXU0BFR1JPVVBTLkNPTQAAAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAA AAAAA/MzAQiABwAYAAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABACgAAABSRTogW0RN TF0gUmU6IERlbG9yZWFuIEVuZ2luZXMgZm9yIFNhbGUA1gwBBYADAA4AAADPBwYAAQAKABUAOgAC ADgBASCAAwAOAAAAzwcGAAEACgARAB0AAgAXAQEJgAEAIQAAADZENTA1NDJBMzdBQ0JFMTFBODI1 NTI5MzQxMEZBOUVCACEHAQOQBgAgBgAAEgAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMANgAA AAAAQAA5AKDWmRs6rL4BHgBwAAEAAAAoAAAAUkU6IFtETUxdIFJlOiBEZWxvcmVhbiBFbmdpbmVz IGZvciBTYWxlAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG+rDobmeDLSCIYCBHTm55ERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAA AFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAATAAAASmVycnkxQGVjbGlwc2UubmV0AAADAAYQL8UqxwMABxBSBAAA HgAIEAEAAABlAAAAWU9VQVJFQ09SUkVDVFNIT1JUQkxPQ0tJU1dJVEhPVVRUSEVIRUFEUyxMT05H QkxPQ0tJU1dJVEhUSEVIRUFEUy0tLURBTi0tLS0tLS0tLS1GUk9NOkRTV0lOR0xFQEVOVEVSQQAA AAACAQkQAQAAAJUEAACRBAAAdggAAExaRnUZtLiQ/wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0 MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHByQnER4nN0ZW0CgzN3AuQHEwKAfQqACM8J2TvxFg8yNTUCgAqBDbELYOBu ZzEwMxRQCwoUUaUL8mMAQCBZCGAgCsCMZSAFoRYQY3QuBgAKaBWxIAJgb2NrINUEACAD8HQcEHUF QB0QgxtQHYBhZHMsIBWgrxkQHFwdaBvgLSAARABwgwqFCotsaTE4MALR4GktMTQ0DfAM0CJD+QtZ MTYKoANgE9AbwB/yXyRlCocjGwwwI+ZGA2E6dyVuI+YMgiAd4APwGRBs7GVACfAT0HIA0BvQBaCA bVtTTVRQOikv/SoyXSUPJh0GYAIwJ08oW0JUClBzZGF5HgBKJHVuG1AwMR4AMTlBMYAgOTozNhSw TTMsPyYdVG8ufyhcbWO5MQB3cymgCcAIYHAf0McqQTI/LU51YmobsTRfQShbW0RNTF0H8GW5OdBE ZRWhHcADoEUZEP8LgAeRAhAFwAYQKYAgbyFzrzHgIucaRSPmSzCgbxsglHNrCYA6PewgPABABDZi AaBiZi4yNAA4NGE5MC1AYXsG8CoyPhzgI/I50AqFT48FED0BB0AUsXRpYymABTnQaAJAcDovL3dV RrAuNrkvNsMvNjUvBj8TwArAdD03OTZLCoVEIEkDoGEgB4FzHGFnG1AwkBPQZCA1sC8zMS8xkRkw OiHA5DoyMaBQTTzQQTAp0esDoCAweSGgZ0ZAMEAHcfMeAEk3TWlBUE2JSTgbIJhtIGsLgErQb2Ye Eb8TwBywA6AdEBzBGzFhG+D8IFcRgFCxUTEeFABwStCOcxwaUOIbUFBWUk2Y+wnwPQI/TykdEk0C HXEbQc8cwQIgG1BU9CB1EbBQMVhubHlRmR1yZAaQZulWsW5jG1B3HYADoB0AF02YKkEHkXRBEHBv d9cEkFBAHUBwHUA/WHwFoM8TwFxhT7AAwHliVtEpwtsHkEqxLk6fQNRPGRA97I9JwUpgCsAdsi1z cB3AlmseAEnwIlL5IiAWEP9ZgVtTA5FXZUEwEbAG0FhA/xthAIETwCsBUEIdchxjHgDrBQAAcGtS 8GEBgGKBUCHucGWxZYEbIGwDIFwxW2H3SmBWkhvgQWKwHihjih1y/1oABvBXRmbhTNFQIFvRHbXK d0qhclwwbXBnpGiB/R4AYh1BI+FCwWVBHPZeQf9iYBtQA4EGkAbwUDEFwAuA/TmSaQIgZNdpgwhQ bcApgP8T0DzVFLBk9WOAHMEcEAfg+0EAGxB3CGBwsVwwaJFaUfsdMmYlYwrAXuZhBlHzXhA/UKFk EkFAHgBZVm6xZW/zcrEdoGF2WTgFQA2xC4DvHQBxcR/RPexUHYBlUGiCn2OjavZKQAeAS/BSVmvH /mpX0AVABGAbQQWxKYAEEf9QUR0Ae24KhSRogk+DX4Rv84UpPexlRzbXdEEHgEYv30c/NmIKhYg/ h3QtBgAHcLsLUAaQeWXiNsNbAm0w8P9F4EqgeyKAb48fe30+zz/fCwqFFTEAlFAAAAADABAQAAAA AAMAERAAAAAAQAAHMGAynHs5rL4BQAAIMGAynHs5rL4BHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAABk3Q== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEAC18.95F7F340-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- View the full archives, subscribe/unsubscribe, use the group calendar at http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews Manage your subscriptions at http://eGroups.com Free e-mail groups by eGroups.com. 
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