From: eGroups Digest [dmcnews@egroups.com] Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 10:35 AM To: David.Swingle Subject: dmcnews digest eGroups Daily Digest: dmcnews has 28 new messages. Click here http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1882 to read them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1882. James Espey Factory Care Kit (was: Cleaning/Stainless Steel 1883. DMC Joe Re: Possible D cleaner 1884. Kemp, Nick (MN10) Re: DeLorean snow driving 1885. William T Wilson Re: It was the best of times...(long!) 1886. DMC Joe Re: It was the best of times...(long!) 1887. ryan arsenault Lee Partyka Chevyland 1888. Duke Smoke coming out of engine compartment 1889. SteveDMC Re: Possible D cleaner 1890. SweatyEddy Other Shifter Quirks 1891. magriese@us.ibm.com No Subject 1892. Josh Haldeman Torsion bars? 1893. delorean502@excite.com weird acceloration 1894. efren hicks delorean r.c. 1895. derek osborn wanting to trade GTO for a D in a local museum-n 1896. James Espey Lower Control Arms, "unavailable" parts, etc. 1897. Mike03062@aol.com DMC Prices 1898. DMC5524@aol.com Re: Smoke coming out of engine compartment 1899. hi_jinks@webtv.net delorean-chevy engine 1900. Rick Barranco Delorean experience in Florida 1901. Mike Hirko Re: wanting to trade GTO for a D in a local muse 1902. Linda Porter DeLorean Expo '99 - Oktoberfest 1903. Comet42483@aol.com Strange noise & idles Rough 1904. Mike Re: No Subject 1905. CBL302@aol.com Re: Possible D cleaner 1906. Dave Swingle re: Smoke coming out of engine compartment 1907. CBL302@aol.com Re: Lower Control Arms, "unavailable" parts, etc 1908. CBL302@aol.com Re: Lower Control Arms, "unavailable" parts, etc 1909. Lance R Haslewood LEATHER SEATS ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 1882 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1882 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <37951EC8.46C487B4@erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:51:22 -0500 From: James Espey Subject: [DML] Factory Care Kit (was: Cleaning/Stainless Steel Body) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The original factory care/cleaning kits contained: 1. Stainless Steel Cleaner/Sealer, a gritty, thick liquid 2. Stainless Steel Shampoo, a neutral pH soap that doesn't make a lot of suds, which are what can leave "spots" in the stainless (which is why you then need the item above) 3. Leather/Vinyl Cleaner - a liquid formulated for the - you guessed it - leather, vinyl and fiberglass areas of your car. and finally, 4. A blending pad, for removing minor scraches and blemishes exactly the same as used by the factory for the final hand work on each panel. Dick Ryan briefly mentioned the new spray polish (SS-Glow) we carry, in addition to the Super Hi-Lite. These polishes were not factory items, but they are essential to the cleaning process. They sprays and the above items are available separately also. I've heard too many horror stories about lemon juice and yes, steel wool, when it's so easy to do the job right with the right stuff. James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas 281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com At 8:13 PM -0500 7/20/99, Ann & Ed Thompson wrote: >> Gussob@aol.com wrote: >> >> Don't wanna sound stupid, but will SOS pads work? >> > >Work for what? They work great for pots and pans and >white sidewalls. > >Sure they will! BUT, do NOT attempt to use them for >removing minor blemishes and/or scratches on your >DeLorean's finish! These pads are NOT stainless steel >wool. They WILL leave tiny rust spots on your DeLorean's >finish. If you use ANY type of metal scrubbing pads make >sure they are of stainless steel construction. ------------------------------ message 1883 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1883 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:33:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Possible D cleaner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, Several years back we serviced a D that was owned by an executive from the McDonalds cooperate office, he said he used the stainless cleaner that was distributed to all the McDonalds restaurants on his D. He gave us a can and we experimented with the product and found it to be an excellent, similar to 3M, but discovered that it had the same negative characteristics as other stainless cleaners i.e. streaking after wet, discoloring, etc. For details on maintaining your stainless panels see our web-site page http://www.geocities.com/~dmcjoe/stainless.html DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: Gussob@aol.com > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] Possible D cleaner > Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 12:57 AM > > Hello all. > While working my horrible night job @ McDonald's, it occurred to me that when > they close the store, they use a special cleaner for stainless steel counter > tops. I'm going to investigate further as to how it reacts to water, but it > shines it up pretty well. Plus, if there are any fingerprints, you can just > wipe the print off w/ a rag. So far the only problem I see is that the bottle > says it's a silicone based product. I got the manufacturer's # and address, > so I'm going to contact them to see if they would sell me some. > I don't have a D yet, but I'm just trying to help. Any questions, email me. > Thanks.... > Dave L. > Providence, RI > VIN- I WANT A D!!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > ------------------------------ message 1884 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1884 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:07:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean snow driving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are a lot of comments on "snow driving" and here are mine: - It doesn't make any difference how good the D is in snow if another driver hits you. - Snow and Ice are two substantially different driving conditions - As any 4x4 driver can tell you, there is a world of difference between acceleration and deceleration in snow and especially ice. Stopping is a lot harder. - If the tires aren't rotating you aren't getting the full capacity to stop. - If the front tires aren't rotating you can't steer. - The D is lighter up front than the rear making it easier for the front to lock before the rear My experience many years ago in my first D on snow left me with a very uncomfortable feeling when trying decelerate in turns on snow or ice. But acceleration was good! I only drove it once in the snow and ice. - The frame is very susceptible to rusting if the epoxy is chipped, cracked or the like. - Salt + bare steel + water = rust - The frame will rust from underneath the epoxy. The rust feeds on the metal and it can go down the "middle" of epoxy-steel-epoxy sandwich. All said and done, spend a couple $K (minimum) and find an alternative vehicle. If not, put that money away to spend on the D when it needs to be repaired from an accident or frame problems. Think of the D like many other resources, that being something we use while we're here and pass on to the next person. Nick Kemp Credentials: Minnesota snow and ice experienced. Rusty frame experienced ------------------------------ message 1885 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1885 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Wilson In-Reply-To: <199907291507.KAA42720@mail5.doit.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: It was the best of times...(long!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Jeff Wiltzius wrote: > even worse! Can always get it easily into anything except 1st and 2nd > gear. Once you get the car into 1st- it will easily slide into 2nd. Is the problem that you cannot move the stick to the left (so that it aligns in the left/right direction with 1st and 2nd) or is the problem that you cannot move the stick forward/back into 1st or 2nd? If it is that you cannot move the stick to the left, you might have a bent roll-pin or shifter fork inside the transmission. It is a reasonably simple thing to fix - as far as transmission internals go, anyway. If it is that you cannot move the stick forward or back into 1st or 2nd, you should check to see if everything is aligned properly. It may be a linkage problem. > 1. Would replacing my plastic clutch line with the steel one fix my > problems and is it the logical place to start? Possibly. But if you have to take the transmission out anyway you may as well perform any planned clutch maintenance at the same time. > 2. I recall someone else having a problem like this on the list and > mentioning something about a 'synchromesh'. I looked up that term and > sort of understand what it is (supposed to keep the gears from > clashing as you shift from one to another)- could this be the problem > also? No. The synchromesh has no effect when the car is stopped. The purpose of the synchromesh is to keep the gears on the input shaft turning at the same speed as the drive gears, so that they do not clash when you shift. When you move the shifter, the synchro accelerates the input shaft to the right speed. However, it is possible to damage the synchros by shifting the car with the clutch not fully engaged. You can always test the synchromesh by double clutching. Drive to some speed where you want to shift. Then, shift into neutral, release the clutch, accelerate the engine to the RPM that it would be at in the new gear, then depress the clutch and shift into the new gear. If it works, you may have a synchro problem. If it doesn't, then it's not the synchro. > 3. Previous owner just had complete clutch rebuild a few years ago- > so I'm assuming the clutch is OK? Or could this be some other problem > with the clutch? (besides just plastic cable?) All kinds of things can go wrong with the clutch. It could be a fluid leak, or an improper adjustment, or almost anything, really. ------------------------------ message 1886 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1886 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:35:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: It was the best of times...(long!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, HERE IS A VERY SHORT ANSWER FOR A VERY LONG POST! Replace your plastic clutch with the stainless unit and you car will easily shift through all the gears. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: Jeff Wiltzius > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] It was the best of times...(long!) > Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 11:07 AM > > My questions are: > 1. Would replacing my plastic clutch line with the steel one fix my > problems and is it the logical place to start? ------------------------------ message 1887 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1887 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:18:07 -0400 From: ryan arsenault MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Lee Partyka Chevyland Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi list. I researched that Lee Partyka Chevyland in Connecticut has some experience with DeLoreans. Does anyone have any experience or info about this particular place and can they recommend him to me? Thanks ------------------------------ message 1888 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1888 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Duke" References: <199907291507.KAA42720@mail5.doit.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:32:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Smoke coming out of engine compartment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering if anyone had ever had this problem before. I'm driving along and all the sudden, black smoke (oil) comes pouring out of the back of my car. (I could loose cops in it!) It only does it at certain times randomly. It doesn't matter if I speed up, turn to a certain direction ect. It just does it when it feels like it. I replaced my valve cover gaskets thinking this would get rid of the problem but its still there. It comes from the back of the engine compartment towards the driver's side. The only thing I can figure is I have a bad rear seal but before I try and replace it, I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and knows for sure what the cause is. Thanks in advance, Duke ------------------------------ message 1889 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1889 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "SteveDMC" References: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:38:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Possible D cleaner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know what polish you are talking about. I worked at wendy's for a year and on rare occasions we used the same comercial polish. There are many ways we clean stainless in a resturant without the expensive polish. The best way to give it that shine is by using a green Scotch Brite and plenty of hot water. So if you really want to get your D looking new, I guess you could do the same, just use some very hot water and a pad with a handle so you don't burn your hands. Just my 2 cents, I thought i would contribute to this fast food info that i already know so much about. ------------------------------ message 1890 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1890 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "SweatyEddy" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:45:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Other Shifter Quirks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BEDA0B.A890A620" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BEDA0B.A890A620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think my problem is in the shifter and not the clutch or tranny, maybe so= meone out there can steer me in the right direction. My car goes easily int= o 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th. To get it into second takes a little work and I ha= ve to be careful not to hit reverse. I know what you're thinking, why would= I have a problem hitting reverse if I'm not lifting on the shifter....ther= e's my problem, I don't have to lift up to shift into reverse. Any suggesti= ons? -SweatyEddy ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BEDA0B.A890A620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I think my problem is in the shifter and not the clutch= or = tranny, maybe someone out there can steer me in the right direction. My car= goes = easily into 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th. To get it into second takes a little wor= k and = I have to be careful not to hit reverse. I know what you're thinking, why w= ould = I have a problem hitting reverse if I'm not lifting on the shifter....there= 's my = problem, I don't have to lift up to shift into reverse. Any = suggestions?   -SweatyEddy
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BEDA0B.A890A620-- ------------------------------ message 1891 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1891 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: magriese@us.ibm.com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:56:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] No Subject Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I've worked with rusting bars many times before. I put them on the lathe and spin one slow. As it turns, I use a scotch brite pad (blue) on an air sander and remove as much rust as I can. Then I use a corrosion inhibitor and let it sit for a day then its re-powder coated.< DO NOT DO THIS WITH DELOREAN TORSION BARS!! DeLorean torsion bars are cryogenically set - they receive 9 turns at a very cold temperature to give them their torsional strength. As a result, there are enormous surface tensions in the bars. Even a small scratch can weaken the bars enough that they can shatter. Michael A. Griese Storage Software Development Manager IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese@us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880 ------------------------------ message 1892 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1892 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:47:12 -0400 From: Josh Haldeman MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <852567BE.004711C5.00@D51MTA10.pok.ibm.com> Subject: [DML] Torsion bars? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List, Were we talking about the doors' torsion bars, or the torsion bars on the front end of the car? Actually, I've never really noticed...does the DeLorean have torsion bars on it's front end? I seem to recall them being down there, but now I'm not sure and can't check because my car is at Bauerle's for the time being. I was under the impression we were talking about those though, and not the doors'. Josh VIN 5102 > > DeLorean torsion bars are cryogenically set - they receive 9 turns at > a very cold temperature to give them their torsional strength. As a > result, there are enormous surface tensions in the bars. Even > a small scratch can weaken the bars enough that they can > shatter. ------------------------------ message 1893 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1893 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:14:32 -0700 From: delorean502@excite.com Subject: [DML] weird acceloration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this isnt a major problem by far, but just something i was wondering about. it only happens when i'm just starting my journies in the Delorean, in other words, from a cold start. accelorating in 2nd gears sometimes looses power but gains it back in miliseconds and then does it again a second later. this only happens at first. like i said, nothing major, just something i want to know about. thanks Erik "egg" Geerdink vin 4512 lic Plate: EGGS D P.S: I'm still looking for people in Michigan that want to start a Delorean club, or a Delorean get together. lets see howmany Deloreans we can pool together. Inmy town, Holland, there is suprizingly around 10 known Deloreans!! not bad for a place with 40,000 people. ------------------------------ message 1894 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1894 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: efren hicks MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] delorean r.c. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello Does any one in the group have or knows where i can get a remote control delorean i got one but its completely busted please email me back @ marty_mcflyjr@yahoo.com efren #16072 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ message 1895 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1895 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: derek osborn MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] wanting to trade GTO for a D in a local museum-need help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, this is my first post. i've loved the delorean automobile ever since i was 10. (the first time i saw back to the future) i'm now a little bit older and a little bit wiser........17!!!!! I've seen 6 Ds in my life. right now, i'm driving around in a 1971 Pontiac GTO. (hey now, it's KINDA related to the D!) I promised myself i would own a D SOMETIME in my life. there is a 1981 model in a local museum for sale. the owner is asking $20,000, which i feel is a little bit pricey. the ss looks a little discolored in some spots (kinda yellowish). The fascias need painted. the seats are missing their backs and are kinda cracked up. oh yeah, the doors also droop, but i know how to fix that. : ) I don't have a clue how many miles the car has on it. I've never heard it run. the engine looks fairly clean. I don't know anything about the epoxy undercoating. does this sound like a fair price for the car?? if i did purchase it, i would have to part ways with my beloved GTO. i would appreciate any help. Thanks. Derek Osborn 1971 Pontiac GTO T-37 1981 DeLorean DMC-12 (in my dreams) _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ message 1896 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1896 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:56:28 -0500 From: James Espey Subject: [DML] Lower Control Arms, "unavailable" parts, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We (DMC) have investigated having new control arms made, and we have the original drawings for the part. They can be made for far less than $500 each, but the tooling, and minimum quantities required make it an easy five figure investment. And we'd end up with more of them than we could sell in another 20 years. What's more, it's an inherently poor design, so we are investigating other options. For the present, we have yet to see a broken one that we couldn't repair - EVER! It's easier, faster (than hunting down a new one) as well as less expensive and safe (all big factors, particularly when insurance companies are involved - and they are picky about future safety on a repair job). As far as your questions about "parting out" a DeLorean, ANY car is worth more for parts than it is whole (that's whay junkyards, er, automotive recyclers stay in business - the problem, particularly with a low volume "niche" car is that the demand is so low. Sure, you might get $10K for the panels and glass (though a more realistic estimate is $6K) do you want to wait months, probably years to get that out of it, and in the meantime have a "half-DeLorean" in your backyard? Bryan Pearce (stainless steel frame guy and DML'er) has been parting out a car for awhile, he can shed more light on the realities of doing that. That said, there are so few parts that there are no more NEW parts available, I can't think of them. Original window switches come to mind. We have no more ORIGINAL window switches - though we do have an excellent replacement that is the same style, shape and design (thogh 3mm narrower) - it even lights up, so that the arrows can be illuminated (nomore rubbed off arrows!). Through our efforts at re-sourcing these and other "hard to get" parts, the DeLorean has better overall immediate parts availability than Ferrari, Porsche or BMW and we very much doubt that, percentage-wise, that Ford, GM or DaimlerChrysler do either. As for the future supply - ask anyone on the list (or elsewhere) who has been to our parts warehouse in Ohio - 40,000 square feet, floor to ceiling of DeLorean parts. Darn near everything! Read the posting I wrote back in October of 1996 (before I was a DMC employee, and before we bought the parts from KAPAC) for a idea of what I mean. Bear in mind that all this is STILL left after being the main source for nearly 20 years. http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml184.html Additionally, I was just there on Tuesday and Wednesday of this week, and it still boggles my mind that there is just so much left. I took some new photos, and I will try to get them posted on the website this weekend. Out of the 2800 different DeLoreanpart numbers, there are still some 1600-1700 that have NEVER been ordered. Future parts supplies are the least of a DeLorean owners worries. James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas 281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com At 3:47 PM -0500 7/22/99, Ann & Ed Thompson wrote: >Just how many of these expensive, rare, and "no longer available" parts >are there on the DeLorean. The more I hear and read about this the more >I'm beginning to think that a "good driver DeLorean", say between $10K >and $15K, is worth far more being parted out. Body panels, doors, glass, >and lower control arms alone would probably bring $10K selling them one >at a time. James, do you have any idea how many parts listed in the >DeLorean factory parts manual are "no longer available"? Being in the >DeLorean parts business I thought you might have an estimate. I know >that for much older and long obsolete antique cars in concours condition >most parts are nearly non-existent. If needed, replacements parts of all >kinds have to be made. That's why some of these cars are worth hundreds >of thousands of dollars and even millions. Do you have any idea what it >would cost to have a lower control arm made for a DeLorean? $500 might >pay for a construction drawing. For a one-off I would guess at least >several thousand dollars. ------------------------------ message 1897 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1897 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Mike03062@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:00:38 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DMC Prices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit derek I have been looking for just the right "D" for about a year. My advice is to download the check sheet from DMC Houston's web site. A nice DeLorean in the mid teens with a decent frame and most updates is probably a good buy. By the way did you know John Kennedy jr's Martha's Vineyard kick-around car was a black GTO convertible! Mike Drake ------------------------------ message 1898 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1898 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: DMC5524@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:57:57 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Smoke coming out of engine compartment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/30/99 1:16:40 AM Central Daylight Time, at88mph@mobis.com writes: << black smoke (oil) comes pouring out of the back of my car. >> So which one is it? Black smoke or oil? :-) Seriously, burning oil produces white smoke that has a blue tint to it. Unless you are burning a LOT of oil, which I doubt. Other materials like rubber can produce a thick black smoke. Maybe your problem is with another system on the car? Keep us updated, Dave ------------------------------ message 1899 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1899 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:01:46 -0700 From: hi_jinks@webtv.net Subject: [DML] delorean-chevy engine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it possible to put a Chevy small block and transmission in a Delorean. Just wondering, I have seen ads for Deloreans for sale and they had Chevy engines. Just wondering if it is worth doing. I saw one for sale not running is the reason why. ------------------------------ message 1900 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1900 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:33:09 -0400 From: Rick Barranco MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <379EFCC9.63255519@lorainccc.edu> Subject: [DML] Delorean experience in Florida Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, Does anyone know of a good mechanic with Delorean experience in or near Orlando Florida? I have had no major problems with my "D" but I do have a small exhast leak I would like to have someone fix as well as getting it tuned and adjusted. I just can't bring myself to let just any mechanic look at it..... Thanks, Rick Barranco "TOCCATA" Vin # 3268 ------------------------------ message 1901 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1901 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:04:27 -0700 From: Mike Hirko MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19990730203127.7063.rocketmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [DML] Re: wanting to trade GTO for a D in a local museum-need help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit derek osborn wrote: >snip > the owner is asking $20,000, which i feel is a little bit pricey. the > ss looks a little discolored in some spots (kinda yellowish). The > fascias need painted. the seats are missing their backs and are kinda > cracked up. oh yeah, the doors also droop, but i know how to fix that. > : ) I don't have a clue how many miles the car has on it. I've never > heard it run. > does this sound like a fair price for > the car?? if i did purchase it, i would have to part ways with my > beloved GTO. i would appreciate any help. Thanks. > > Derek Osborn > 1971 Pontiac GTO T-37 > 1981 DeLorean DMC-12 (in my dreams) Derek, Run, don't walk, from the doors of this museum. $20K for a car in the condition you describe is assinine. Start putting a few bucks away each month until you've saved a couple of thousand and at that time ask this list for hints as to where to find the "D of your dreams". If you spend $20K for the car you describe, you'll spend at least that much more getting it into the condition it needs to be. Trust me. Mike Hirko Kelso WA Vin 1387 License WAWAZAT ------------------------------ message 1902 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1902 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:34:08 -0500 From: Linda Porter Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DeLorean Expo '99 - Oktoberfest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to invite all readers of the DeLorean Mailing List to attend the DeLorean Owners Association Expo '99 in St. Louis, Missouri. Dates are October 7-10, 1999. Many exciting events are planned; Technical Seminar sponsored by Bauerle Automotive, Concours/Car Show and Product Fair sponsored by DeLorean Motor Company, and a drive through the beautiful wine country just west of St. Louis. In addition there will be several dinners and banquets in exciting places. P. J. Grady, Inc. will sponsor our Thursday evening aboard the paddle wheel boat, Tom Sawyer. On Friday, we will have the Gateway Arch all to ourselves after-hours, for a chance to ride the trams, view the exhibits and enjoy a catered buffet. Sponsor for this event will be DeLorean Motor Center. Saturday will be our gala Oktoberfest Ball, sponsored by DeLorean One. Sunday morning we'll enjoy the fabulous brunch in the Top of the Riverfront Restaurant, the only revolving restaurant in St. Louis. Headquarters for Expo '99 is the Regal Riverfront Hotel in downtown St. Louis. Just across the street from the Gateway Arch, it is any easy walk to the Arch as well as the Mississippi River and other area attractions. Group rate for a Standard room is $99.00 per night. Reservation deadline for the hotel is September 15, 1999. You must refer to the DeLorean Owners Association to get this rate. Reservations after that date will be accepted based on availability at the prevailing rack rates, so don't wait to reserve your room if you plan to attend. You can read more about Expo at our web site: Click on the Events button at: and then Click the Expo button in the left frame, or go directly to: There you will find a registration form that can be mailed or e-mailed to the Association. Final deadline to sign up for events is September 20, 1999. So, meet me in St. Louie! Linda Porter President-Activities Director DeLorean Owners Association ------------------------------ message 1903 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1903 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Comet42483@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:02:36 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Strange noise & idles Rough Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently bought an 81, and when I go around a corner, sometimes there is a Clunk in the engine compartment. Any ideas as to what it is? Also when I first start the car it idles roughly down at around 500 Rpm's but after its warm it runs great. Is there a way to adjust it? ------------------------------ message 1904 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1904 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Mike" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:07:32 -0700 Subject: [DML] Re: No Subject Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, what you are saying is correct I agree with you one hundred percent. You are saying that the bars are only cold treated on the surface and not to the core, so when you take away that treated surface the bar becomes weak, correct? The bars I work with are not cold treated and sitting in an oven doesn't change the molecular structure. The bars we run are treated to the the core, so we can get away with scotching old bars without worring about losing that surface treat. It was a bad example I admit I assumed that DeLorean used the same material. And I apologize for any confusion. But there is one thing that I don't understand is that the process you described is expensive even though Boing made the bars I don't see DeLorean spending all that time and money on torsion bars especially 20 years ago on a $25,000 car. Torsion bars were nothing new at that time for that type of cold treating. Without the 269.8 lbs of force assisting from the gas springs the doors won't even open on there own anyway. The one gentlemen had said that his bars were discoloring and showing a little rust. And another gentlemen had said that the bars were made from stainless steel. If there were stainless they would have to be hardened to get that tensil strengh, and if they are stainless there might be a thin layer of ferrite iron on the surface of the bars that would be the cause of the discoloration and rust. Until we know what material and process Boing used to make the bars were all blowing smoke. I don't know but I'm having fun. If there is any further thread on this subject keep in mind that there is no bashing nessesary this is a learning experience for all. Keep the peace and drive stainless Mike vin#1113 >DeLorean torsion bars are cryogenically set - they receive 9 turns at >a very cold temperature to give them their torsional strength. As a >result, there are enormous surface tensions in the bars. Even >a small scratch can weaken the bars enough that they can >shatter. > >Michael A. Griese >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ message 1905 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1905 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:39:36 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Possible D cleaner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/30/99 2:15:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DMCJOE@att.net writes: << or details on maintaining your stainless panels see our web-site page http://www.geocities.com/~dmcjoe/stainless.html >> I have restored Deloreans since 1982,and all I ever use is a NEW sos pad,and I have never had any problems,after all that's what I also use on my SS kitchen sink,if you do it right it works just fine,just hose the stuff off while it is still sudsy,and do it in a shady area,and Never use a used SOS pad or if it falls on dirt,my Deloreans looked so good that one person took a look at it and bought it then and there. Claude vin#000570 ------------------------------ message 1906 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1906 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Dave Swingle" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:51:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] re: Smoke coming out of engine compartment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Duke wrote: >black smoke (oil) comes pouring out of the back of my car. ... I replaced my valve cover gaskets >thinking this would get rid of the problem but its still there. It comes from the back of the engine >compartment towards the driver's side. Did you recently service the airconditioner pulley bearings? Underneat the mess of brackets holding them in place is a cam end cover plate with an o-ring under it. It is held in place by the same screws that hold those a/c pulleys in place. If you have the parts manual look at item 3 and 4 on page 1/1/4., then look at page 7/2/1 and you'll see the same cover plate in "ghosted" form. You probably dropped out the o-ring or it has come apart over time. dave ------------------------------ message 1907 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1907 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:56:25 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Lower Control Arms, "unavailable" parts, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/30/99 10:22:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, james@usadmc.com writes: << As for the future supply - ask anyone on the list (or elsewhere) who has been to our parts warehouse in Ohio - 40,000 square feet, floor to ceiling of DeLorean parts. Darn near everything! >> Just wanted to say,if anybody doubts what James is saying,just look at the Expo98 video on the trip to the warehouse,I watched it for the first time last night,and it blew me away at the MOUNTAINS of NEW Delorean parts still available. Claude Vin#000570 ------------------------------ message 1908 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1908 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:19:33 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Lower Control Arms, "unavailable" parts, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anybody out there that needs a set of rare lower control arms for a Delorean, there are a set available on Ebay,if you miss out don't say you can't find any. Claude Vin#006383 ------------------------------ message 1909 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1909 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:54:47 +1000 From: Lance R Haslewood Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] LEATHER SEATS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leather Seats!!! Well that's what I thought our DeLorean had .... until I had a closer look. I was shocked to discover that the seat insert (the centre section of the seat) is leather and the remainder of the seat is synthetic. I wonder how much more of the leather interior is synthetic. I welcome comments from the field. Lance Haslewood Australia ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- View the full archives, subscribe/unsubscribe, use the group calendar at http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews Manage your subscriptions at http://eGroups.com Free e-mail groups by eGroups.com. 
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