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Date: 20-Jun-99 3:40:02 +0000
Last Monday I called the DeLorean Motor Company in Houston and spoke with Warrren to order a few items. He was very personable, helpful, and efficient. I hope to receive my items by Monday.
I also took my D in for it's first oil change for me as the owner and found a great garage her in San Diego that's not afraid to touch a DeLorean or charge me extra because they think it's an exotic car. The mechanics were extra interested
I also had it in another car show here in town today but unfortunately came home without a trophy. I was surprised because it was such a small show but wasn't too surprised when the sponsor of the show won a trophy for her old Chevy. Can yo
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Date: 20-Jun-99 8:09:11 -0400
Ryan-
I have been a Delo owner for 10+ yrs. The 62K mile car that you are
considering may well be a great car. Mileage, in and of itself, is not a good
indicator of the condition of a Delo. I have seen some really good cars with
high mileage, and some real garbage with under 20K miles. As a matter of
fact, I have seen quite a bit of the latter. The most important piece of
advise that I can pass on to you is to check the car's frame very carefully
for deterioration. If the car in question has a good frame, then consider it
further, if not, move on.
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Another Delorean Tale
Date: 20-Jun-99 8:13:39 -0400
Paraversal@aol.com wrote:
>
> As far as the doors not being able to open when the DeLorean is overturned,
> just look at the picture of the D overturned by the MSU rioters on my
> website. (http://members.xoom.com/PipelineRecs/dmchome.html) The doors look
> like limp wings of a dead bird. At least it proves that the doors CAN open
> when the car is overturned, even if its just a little bit.
>
> Just my two cents,
>
> Justin
I see evidence of scratches on the roof of the D but no
images of the D overturned. How do these pictures prove
that the doors CAN open when the car is upside down?
BTW, what is MSU and what were the MSU riots? Where?
When? What about? Why? Were they angry at the D? Was
this a BTTF issue?
Ed Thompson (#6419)
Midlothian, VA
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Subject: [DML] Radiator care
Date: 20-Jun-99 9:10:54 -0400
I just removed my air conditioning condenser due to a leak, and while it was
readily accessible I removed the radiator for servicing. I noted the sides
of the radiator appear to be a plastic composite which is bonded to the core.
What special care is required for the servicing of this radiator by a shop??
As usual, I am paranoid about even the simplest of services by the local
mechanical shops without a communications meeting with the mechanic.
The condenser and radiator removal was not a difficult task. By the way, I
found a couple of small green satins on the core that were impossible to see
without removing the condenser, and the hoses were VERY ridgid, so it was
worthwhile.
Steve Jarvis
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Subject: [DML] Need radiator air duct/tail light unit
Date: 20-Jun-99 9:20:39 -0400
I am looking for a replacement radiator air duct piece, preferably used in
good condition. Should you have one for sale, please contact me at my email
below.
By the way, who are our best sources for USED parts??
Steve Jarvis
#3542
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Subject: [DML] Re: Looking to buy Frame Segments...
Date: 20-Jun-99 9:45:46 -0400
On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 raynet@home.net wrote:
> Greetings all... Does anybody by chance have some frame segments they are
> willing to part with. I am looking for the forward frame segment and the
> triangular gas tank cover at this time. If anyone happes to have those
PJ Grady sells a reconditioned fuel tank close out plate for $95.00, I'm
pretty sure there's a core fee on top of that if you don't have a plate
to return that can be reconditioned. Appearently these rust frequently
when the brake master cylandar begins leaking as the brake fluid runs
onto this plate and loosens the epoxy.
-Steve <dmc@fdt.net>
VIN 17117
TAG NOVO5 55
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Subject: [DML] Re: Good experiences this week
Date: 20-Jun-99 7:48:28 -0600
Here in Steamboat Springs we have several car gatherings each year (we just
concluded one with 250 classic Mustangs). There is always a concours or
"show and shine". I've often put my DeLorean on display and invariably
young kids ooo and aah over it. With all the fussy owners who have "do not
touch" signs all over their cars, the kids are shocked when I ask them if
they would like to have their parents take a picture of them behind the
wheel. I figure that great cars have great owners -- and I want everyone
to know just what a great car this is.
And, you meet some really nice people this way.
Dcik Ryan
VIN 16867
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Subject: [DML] Autoweek quote
Date: 20-Jun-99 9:12:59 -0700
From the June 21 issue of AutoWeek, I offer this quote from page 20:
"Avantis are oddball cars that fall somewhere between Bricklins and DeLoreans."
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
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Subject: [DML] Re: Radiator care
Date: 20-Jun-99 14:28:55 -0400
Stephen Jarvis wrote:
>
> I just removed my air conditioning condenser due to a leak, and while it was
> readily accessible I removed the radiator for servicing. I noted the sides
> of the radiator appear to be a plastic composite which is bonded to the core.
>
> What special care is required for the servicing of this radiator by a shop??
Any reputable radiator shop shouldn't have any problem
dealing with a radiator with plastic tanks. This is very
common radiator construction. I recently had a plastic tank
on one of my Corvettes develop a lateral crack. I removed
the radiator and took it to a local radiator shop where they
replaced both tanks (the core was ok) without a hitch.
The only problem I can imagine you might have is locating
correct tanks. In this case, it might even less expensive
to replace the entire assembly. But not to worry about
repair if you can locate the correct tanks. Piece of cake!
Good luck!
Ed Thompson (#6419)
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Subject: [DML] Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 20-Jun-99 16:11:25 -0400
I believe I have finally come to an inpass with my DeLorean. I have a
problem with the fuel enrichment circuit that may envolve the main fuel
pressure regulator. I have no means of checking fuel pressures at the
different points in the engine so I am asking the "List" for
suggestions. I guess my last resort would be to drive the car up to PJ
Grady. Since I live in Virginia its going to take about 10-12 hours to
get there.
Dave Sontos
VIN 02573
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I recently had a new problem arise. My DeLorean has started to die spontaneously. It seems to happen when I turn corners or come to a stop. It will start right up and take off but I have no confidence that it will keep going. It will als
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000Importance: Normal
When mine had a crack in the pick-up line the car would lurch and stall
while accelerating forward (beyond a snails pace) or stopping in reverse.
Accelerating in reverse or stopping in forward would work just fine. As
with yours, it would immediately start and idle just fine.
I would start by examining the fuel pick-up line. Check to see if there are
any cracks in the line. Possibly the line has gone soft and collapsed upon
itself but I wouldn't think this problem would have your type of symptoms.
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Subject: [DML] Stalls
I recently had a new problem arise. My DeLorean has started to die
spontaneously. It seems to happen when I turn corners or come to a stop.
It will start right up and take off but I have no confidence that it will
keep going. It will also die and restart itself if I am driving down the
street. Is this the famous fuel pump failure?
Bobby Mims
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Subject: [DML] A/C Blower Motor
Date: 20-Jun-99 22:28:13 -0500
Just replaced my blower motor for the third time. This time the motor
had frozen from rust. Can anyone tell me what to do to keep water out
of the motor. The cowl drain was cleaned out but it was not stopped up
enough to cause water to divert to another route.
Thanks,
Bill Lane
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Date: 21-Jun-99 0:00:09 -0400
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On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, Ann & Ed Thompson wrote:
> > What special care is required for the servicing of this radiator by a shop??
...
> correct tanks. In this case, it might even less expensive
> to replace the entire assembly. But not to worry about
> repair if you can locate the correct tanks. Piece of cake!
PJ Grady makes an upgraded radiator with metal tanks (and better cooling
efficiency). The price is not that much more than a replacement OEM
radiator. If you are replacing your radiator, you should look into one of
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Date: 21-Jun-99 10:11:12 -0400
I put that anti-seize stuff in the bottom of mine where the bearing goes. That kept it from rusting and also stopped it from squeaking. It has worked great for me since then. ---Dan
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Sent: Sunday, June 20, 1999 11:28 PM
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Subject: [DML] A/C Blower Motor
Just replaced my blower motor for the third time. This time the motor
had frozen from rust. Can anyone tell me what to do to keep water out
of the motor. The cowl drain was cleaned out but it was not stopped up
enough to cause water to divert to another route.
Thanks,
Bill Lane
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Date: 21-Jun-99 10:34:08 -0400
hi there is a small stud with a rubber cap directly over the blower .this is
used for a stop for the hood this is where the water enters. remove -and
seal this should fix the problem questions call bob 919 383 6187 thanx bob
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Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 10:46 PM
Subject: [DML] A/C Blower Motor
> Just replaced my blower motor for the third time. This time the motor
>had frozen from rust. Can anyone tell me what to do to keep water out
>of the motor. The cowl drain was cleaned out but it was not stopped up
>enough to cause water to divert to another route.
>
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>
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>blane@netunlimited.net
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Subject: [DML] Re: Another Delorean Tale
Date: 21-Jun-99 12:37:39 -0400
Brian,
Yes, the door lock portion of the switch is active at all times. We know of
no instances of accidental activation of the inertia switch, (except the
factory recall units). An impact of substantial force, enough to damage the
car, is required to trip the switch.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: Brian Metz <metz.50@osu.edu>
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Another Delorean Tale
> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 12:24 PM
>
> >No mystery, here. He is talking about the inertia (impact) switch. The
> >switch which is common to all cars with electric fuel pumps is designed
to
> >cut power to the fuel pump and unlock the doors in the event of an
> >accident. The rubber mallet will only work on cars with defective
switches.
> >BTW the doors will not fly open, they'll just unlock.
> >
> >DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
>
> QUESTION: Is this only when the ignition is on? I hate to think that
> someone could jar or hit my car and the doors would just unlock. I
realize
> that it have to be a significant impact to trip the inertia switch, but
> nonetheless could it happen?
> Brian
> Vin 16584
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Subject: [DML] Re: Radiator care
Date: 21-Jun-99 12:55:46 -0400
Steve,
Do yourself and your DeLorean a big favor and get rid of the original
plastic side tank radiator. The main problem is that the plastic is now 18
years old and has gotten brittle over the years. What usually happens is as
soon as pressure is applied at the hose connections the plastic cracks or
shatters. In some instances the plastic side tanks, which are press fitted
to the core, will separate from the core when the cooling system pressure
is too high.
All brass replacements are available from all of the parts suppliers.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
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> From: Stephen Jarvis <jarvist@mindspring.com>
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Radiator care
> Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 9:10 AM
>
> I just removed my air conditioning condenser due to a leak, and while it
was
> readily accessible I removed the radiator for servicing. I noted the
sides
> of the radiator appear to be a plastic composite which is bonded to the
core.
>
> What special care is required for the servicing of this radiator by a
shop??
> As usual, I am paranoid about even the simplest of services by the local
> mechanical shops without a communications meeting with the mechanic.
>
> The condenser and radiator removal was not a difficult task. By the way,
I
> found a couple of small green satins on the core that were impossible to
see
> without removing the condenser, and the hoses were VERY ridgid, so it was
> worthwhile.
>
> Steve Jarvis
> #3542
>
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 21-Jun-99 13:11:31 -0400
Dave,
There are many items that could cause fuel enrichment problems, the
pressure regulator is just about last on the list of items that could be
defective. What kind of fuel enrichment problems are you having.
BTW, if we discussed this before please excuse us for repeating ourselves.
We lost the e-mail program for the DML in our main terminal and are sharing
our web site and DML on our back up terminal, so I am not sure if I
discussed this problem with you before.
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> From: David Sontos <dsontos@sybercom.net>
> To: dmcnews Newsletter <dmcnews@egroups.com>
> Subject: [DML] Fuel Enrichment Circuit
> Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 4:11 PM
>
> I believe I have finally come to an inpass with my DeLorean. I have a
> problem with the fuel enrichment circuit that may envolve the main fuel
> pressure regulator. I have no means of checking fuel pressures at the
> different points in the engine so I am asking the "List" for
> suggestions. I guess my last resort would be to drive the car up to PJ
> Grady. Since I live in Virginia its going to take about 10-12 hours to
> get there.
>
> Dave Sontos
> VIN 02573
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Date: 21-Jun-99 17:34:28 +0000
This past Sunday Bill And I at last moment decided to enter a local cruise-in car show, over 100 cars entered from Pre-50's to 90's. We entered in 80's WON 1st place beating out several Corvette's and one other Delorean (sorry Chris and Ka
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Date: 21-Jun-99 10:43:26 -0700
Can someone shed more light on how you can open the doors if the D was
flipped? (The turned over D picture was not there) I always read that if I
flipped my D (perfectly over onto its back), I should put my feet to the
windshield and start huffing and puffing.
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From: DMC Joe [mailto:DMCJOE@att.net]
Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 12:38 PM
To: dmcnews@egroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Another Delorean Tale
Brian,
Yes, the door lock portion of the switch is active at all times. We know of
no instances of accidental activation of the inertia switch, (except the
factory recall units). An impact of substantial force, enough to damage the
car, is required to trip the switch.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: Brian Metz <metz.50@osu.edu>
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Another Delorean Tale
> Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 12:24 PM
>
> >No mystery, here. He is talking about the inertia (impact) switch. The
> >switch which is common to all cars with electric fuel pumps is designed
to
> >cut power to the fuel pump and unlock the doors in the event of an
> >accident. The rubber mallet will only work on cars with defective
switches.
> >BTW the doors will not fly open, they'll just unlock.
> >
> >DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
>
> QUESTION: Is this only when the ignition is on? I hate to think that
> someone could jar or hit my car and the doors would just unlock. I
realize
> that it have to be a significant impact to trip the inertia switch, but
> nonetheless could it happen?
> Brian
> Vin 16584
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Subject: [DML] Re: Another Delorean Tale
Date: 21-Jun-99 18:45:50 -0400
In a message dated 6/21/99 5:08:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jperkins@microsoft.com writes:
<< I should put my feet to the
windshield and start huffing and puffing. >>
Its funny that you mention putting your feet up on the window, because
I remember seeing in the video "Back from the Future" that when John DeLorean
was being interviewed by that Irish woman with a DeLorean on the stage with
them, He mentioned that the windows in the doors are made so that they can be
pushed out with your feet or something so you can get out of a flipped car.
Does anyone remember that? Anyways...I never tried to flip my DeLorean over
to test that theory but its nice to know thats what to do if you get stuck
inside when its rolled over. Thanks.
Later,
Nick
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Subject: [DML] DMC's at shows
Date: 21-Jun-99 18:58:59 -0400
Fellow DMCer's
I do a lot of shows with my D. As some of you have seen, I have a one page
printout
with the history of the Delorean and the specs on the back. This answers a
lot of questions. I also have the DML web site listed at the bottom so if the
person wants more info than I can give, they have a place to go to. The
handouts I leave in the seat with a sign "free take one". I also let people
sit in my car and take photos. The life of this hobby is sharing it with
others. The little kids love getting their photo in it (you never know maybe
a future owner), and the parents are surprised that someone would let people
sit in their cars. To sum it up "Live the dream and share the dream".
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569
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Subject: [DML] DeLorean Motor Company Adds New Tem Member
Date: 21-Jun-99 18:43:09 -0500
DeLorean Motor Company of Houston, Texas announced today the addition of
James Espey as Marketing Director. James has been a driving force behind
the growth of the DeLorean marque on the Internet, having created and
moderated the DeLorean Mailing List since 1995. Previously, James was the
first Internet Director for the DeLorean Owners Association.
"Any DeLorean owner will tell you that the public still has many
misconceptions regarding the DeLorean Sports Car. Our goal at DMC is to
change that by providing the highest quality repairs and restorations while
insuring the future availability of parts," said James.
Stephen Wynne, owner of DeLorean Motor Company (Houston), has been
servicing, restoring and selling DeLorean automobiles and parts since 1981.
Originally based in Los Angeles, the company has been based in Houston
since 1988.
For more information about the largest DeLorean-only parts, service and
restoration facility in the world, point your web browser to http://www.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts
Date: 22-Jun-99 1:43:53 +0000
In-reply-to: <37285062>.89399977
Marine supply stores sell struts that are the correct length and from 20 to 120lbs of resistance for less than $20. Does anyone out there know the OM pressure ratings of the door, hood and rear hatch struts?
Thanks, Dave
#7087
<37285062.8939997-@dnrc.bell-labs.com> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=244
> All of the DeLorean service centers sell the door struts.
>
> If you strut is old, replace them first. If that does not fix it, then
> you need to have it adjusted.
>
> Adjusting the doors should be done by someone who knows what they are
> doing, and has the right tools. Many have smashed their back window
> trying to adjust the doors improperly.
>
>
> cooney@pathway.net wrote:
> >
> > I have a sagging passenger door which seems to be more affected by cold
> > weather. Two questions: How do I know this is the strut and not the
> > adjustment, second, where is the best place to purchase door struts,
> > preferably heavy duty cold weather types. I read of a supplier of
> > similar struts but cannot find it in the archives. Thanks.
> >
> > Mike
> > #2467
>
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Subject: [DML] Re: Another Delorean Tale
Date: 21-Jun-99 23:16:51 -0400
Sorry about the picture of the flipped DMC everybody. I thought it was on the
site....and it actually is in the ftp upload, but I cant get it to display on
the site. Im working on it and should have it up and running shortly. Ill
keep you informed. Thanks
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 22-Jun-99 0:03:03 -0400
Dave, I am still waiting on responses to my invite to our get together here
in Clemmons NC. Two people expressed interest in giving tech tips on our
cars. Maybe they will confirm that they are coming and also verify that they
can help you out. If so I will let you know. I know that this would save you
a lot of drive time.
Again this is an open invite to anyone who would like to come on July 10.
Directions are on my web sight at:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/stainlesssteel/index.html
So far I have four people that have confirmed that they will be here.
Keep the dream alive and be safe,
Robert Starling
Vin#5252
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Subject: [DML] Re: Accessorize'n
Date: 22-Jun-99 3:23:22 -0400
I don't have a D yet, but I'm planning on one soon. If/When I get my D, there are a few things I could do with it.
I could keep it as origional as possible, and not change anything -or-
Go *ALL* out with the foot-shaped chrome gas pedal, light-up (neon) shifting knob, fuzzy dice, Neon-light around the license plate, exhaust-pipe "extensions" etc. Of course, I probably won't end up doing these accessories (although, all tho
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Subject: [DML] Another DeLorean Tale
Date: 22-Jun-99 10:58:40 +0200
Push out the windows in the doors? They are glued from inside and the
special glue is very strong. Also the windshield window is glued but
from outside. If you ever try to cut such a window glue you will noticed
that it is very tough. Also you are a body builder you will get problems
to push out any window at the DeLorean. For special cases I carry a
small safety hammer in my DeLorean. With this tool I can cut my seat
belt and crush the safety glass.
Just my safety tip
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Date: 22-Jun-99 5:47:57 -0400
Of course I'm joking! Although, it would be "interesteing" to see a D like that. It also could be considered "Destruction of valuable artwork" :)
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Subject: [DML] Re: Another Delorean Tale
Date: 22-Jun-99 8:07:50 -0400
Jason,
The doors can be opened if a DeLorean flips over onto its top. The door and
ground act as a lever and fulcrum and only moderate strength is required to
open the door the 15 inches required to escape. This was addressed in an
article in "Popular Science" in March or April,1981. This article was
recently reprinted in the summer issue of "DeLorean World."
Brian
VIN 1597
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Subject: [DML] ADMIN: DML changes hands
Date: 22-Jun-99 5:56:31 -0700
As you may have read or heard, I have taken a permanent position with
DeLorean Motor Company in Houston, Texas. In order to preserve the
independence of the DML, and preclude any appearance of a conflict of
interest, I have removed myself from the operations of the DML and
DMC-News.
DeLorean owner and longtime DML'er Dave Swingle of Illinois has
graciously taken on the responsibility of Managing Moderator,
essentially taking on the same tasks that used to be mine. Several
other DML'ers have agreed to assist Dave in the moderation duties and
DML/DMC-News related responsibilities. They are:
Bruce Benson
Knut Grimsrud
Marty Maier
Dick Ryan
Mike Substelny
All of them are longtime DML'ers and DeLorean owners with a strong
background with the DeLorean automobile. I'd like to thank them for
stepping up when asked and insuring the continued operation of the
DeLorean Mailing List.
In the nearly four years since the beginning of the DML, countless
individuals have contributed to the success of the list, and I would be
sure to leave some out if I tried to name them all. I must, however,
thank Knut Grimsrud for all his help as "guest moderator" when I needed
a break. Thanks also to Mike and Patti Substelny for their careful
guardianship of the DeLorean Owners Directory (which incidentally, is
now under the watch of Scott Mueller). To Greg Guillot and Dave Price,
who maintain the Back Issues and Classifieds respectively, I owe a
great debt of thanks - you've both made the web page a more valuable
resource through your efforts.
To the many folks who have stood by the DML through the occasionally
turbulent times, posters and lurkers alike, I thank you all for your
support and kind words over the years. I have the utmost faith and
confidence in Dave Swingle and the rest of the members of the
moderation
panel. Under their stewardship, I am sure that the DML and the DMC-News
website will be a powerful entity that will exist to serve the
interests of all DeLorean owners and enthusiasts.
Within the next week or so, my "@dmcnews.com" email address will be
deleted, please note my new email address is "jv_espey@yahoo.com".
Thank you!
James Espey
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Subject: [DML] ADMIN NOTE - or - What's going on with this list, anyway??
Date: 22-Jun-99 8:29:32 -0500
NOTE LONG POSTING û Please read it through! - -
Now that James Espey has explained what is going on with the list and his
personal job, itÆs time to introduce the new moderating panel and explain
what weÆre doing going forward. The moderating panel is made up of six
long-time DML members û Mike Substelny, Bruce Benson, Marty Maier, Dick
ôraddadö Ryan, Knut Grimsrud, and me, Dave Swingle. I will be acting as the
ôModerator of Moderatorsö, aka MOM. This is a required administrative
function because eGroups requires the list to have a single ôownerö who gets
the complaint mail and pays the bill to turn off the advertising. The group
will attempt to behave as a unified panel, and not one ômanagerö.
Consistency will be the hard part.
For the past 6 weeks or so, we have been undergoing ômoderation trainingö by
taking turns and asking James and each other for advice. If the list has
seemed a little inconsistent in the recent past this may be why. Believe me,
itÆs not as easy as it looks, and itÆs more amazing to me each day to
realize that James has been doing this essentially nonstop for 4 years. We
all owe James a huge debt of gratitude for his efforts through some trying
times.
Our intent and philosophies:
----The list will remain free of charge. It will be supported by continued
sales of DMC paraphernalia as James has been doing. Depending on how well
that does, it may also be supported by me. It will not be supported by or
tied to any particular Delorean parts or other vendor. The new mailing
address for ordering material will be posted to the website as soon as I
figure out how (see below).
----The mission will stay the same, a MODERATED discussion of Delorean û the
man and the machine. No politics, weather, get-rich-quick schemes,
Trans-Ams, or virus warnings!
----We are still feeling out the moderation style. WeÆve been experimenting
with adjusting the behavior of the list by encouraging posters to reply
privately where appropriate, clip out long quotes, and by discouraging
low-content posting. Please donÆt take these rejections as a personal
affront. It is in the interest of keeping the list interesting to more
people, without clutter, and creating a valuable archive of information that
doesnÆt read like a chat room.
----We will be moderating on a rotating cycle, changing moderators generally
once a week. This means that each of us only has to moderate for a week at a
time every six weeks.
----We are experimenting with different moderation timetables, balancing the
desire for real-time posting with the chat-room effect and the impact on our
personal time and our real jobs.
The DMCNEWS website will continue to be maintained by several list members.
I will, after some further education, begin updating the main pages. Knut
Grimsrud will continue to maintain the FAQ section, Scott Mueller will be
maintaining the owners directory, and Dave Price will continue to maintain
the classified ads. WeÆre not sure what to do with the archives. Issues
#1-500 will continue to be held on the main DMCNEWS web site indefinitely.
More recent postings are on the eGroups site. I think it would be desirable
to continue to archive on the DMCNEWS page as well, weÆre looking into that
with the assistance of Greg Guilliot.
No huge changes to the web page are planned for a while, since none of us
(except maybe Knut) is an expert webpage designer and have to rely on the
graces of others for assistance. Keep an eye on this û it may take a short
while
to get it updated. IÆll post a notice here to the DML when something
changes. The site is more of a billboard for the list than a dynamic
ever-changing page, weÆll probably keep it that way.
Comments are welcome. For now the best thing would be to send them to me
directly and IÆll forward to the Moderation Panel.
Looking forward to this adventure;
Dave Swingle (dswingle@enteract.com) for
Knut, Mike, Bruce, Dick, and Marty
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Subject: [DML] DeLorean as a daily driver?
Date: 22-Jun-99 10:01:39 -0400
In May, I'll be graduating from college and, at that time, I plan on
getting a new car. (I mean "new" in the sense of different, not necessarily
"brand new".)
I'm considering getting a D, but I'm a bit worried, as this car would be my
daily driver -- this would be the car I'd be driving to and from work, and
for everything really.
Considering their age, are Ds reliable enough for this kind of daily use?
To add to this, I'm not really much of a car person; I take care of the
vital fluids, but I take my current car ('91 Taurus wagon) to the shop for
most other maintenance.
Lastly, if a D would be suitable, after all that, where would be a good
place to find one? And, what price should I expect to pay? Other cars I'm
considering (Olds Alero / Mercury Cougar / VW Golf) are about $16-18k with
the options I want...
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Date: 22-Jun-99 10:09:36 -0400
The previous owner of my car shared this tip with me: always keep a fire
extinguisher in easy reach in the passenger compartment of your
DeLorean. Obviously it could save your DeLorean from a fire, but it can
also be used to smash out the windshield in an emergency.
I attached my extinguisher horizontally, just below the rear window on
the passenger side, where either occupant can easily reach it. An
extinguisher is required by most car shows anyway.
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Subject: [DML] Good luck and thanks
Date: 22-Jun-99 11:03:54 -0400
Fellow DMCer's,
I would like to take the time to thank James Espey for the hard work he has
done to start, maintain, and grow this mailing list. The amount of work to
keep this list going is a full time job. James has never complained about the
time spent. He has also always been there if anyone had questions via the
phone. The fact that this list has been free of charge, ( along with the web
site) is a tribute to the true meaning of being a Delorean owner. As I stated
in a post a few days ago, Live the Dream, Share the Dream. James has done
both of these!!! Good luck to you James in your new position. If your past
work is any indication of your future, then Steve W. had better get ready to
double his business. As to our new "Mom", if I can be of any help please feel
free to contact me at my email address. The key to the list if the ability to
throw out a problem and the sharing of ideas on how to fix it comes right to
your finger tips. I have subscribed to other auto lists and I can tell you
that the DML is the only list where the questions are almost as much fun as
the answers. Keep up the good work and again THANK YOU JAMES!!!!!
Bruce Battles
Vin# 06569
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Subject: [DML] Delorean Viewings and Taillights
Date: 22-Jun-99 10:20:47 -0500
Hey, I saw another D in North Austin last week, about a block from where
I work. It had the wide black stripe...anyboby here? (Darn it, I was in
the "other" car, wouldn't you know.)
And then, Friday night, I get pulled over in my D after an evening out...I
was fortunately sober and had no trouble there. I think I was stopped
because the officer wanted to get a closer look at my car. He said
someting about my RH taillight being out, and my registration being
expired. Let me go with a warning - after asking a bunch of questions
about the car. :-) Of course, the taillights checked out fine once I got
home, but I've had people notice them fail before.
So the question is: Do I bother trying to troubleshoot the taillights, or
should I save myself the trouble and buy the updated circuit boards?
Gus Schlachter
Austin, TX
VIN# 04695
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Subject: [DML] Accessorize'n
Date: 22-Jun-99 12:03:31 -0400
I don't have a DMC yet but I have been accessorizing. I got an
aluminum/stainless looking daytime planner for $ .25 (thats right cents) at
a garage sale. For an additional .50 cents I picked up a sunglasses case for
my glove box. It is stainless looking, more on the crome side but it will go
beautifully w/ the D.
My latest find others may be interested in as they are readily available.
Checking out items at Meyer's (kinda like Wal-Mart and K-mart if Meyer's is
just a regional chain) I saw some real nice stainless steel thermos'. The
top and bottoms are black plastic. 2 different mugs come in a pack of two. 4
different designs in all. They run about $14. For those who have rigged up
a cup holder they will fit right into them nicely.
Just thought I'd spread the find to others.
Shannon
VIN# Not Yet!
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<P><FONT FACE="Arial">I don't have a DMC yet but I have been accessorizing. I got an aluminum/stainless looking daytime planner for $ .25 (thats right cents) at a garage sale. For an additional .50 cents I picked up a sunglasses case for my
<P><FONT FACE="Arial">My latest find others may be interested in as they are readily available. Checking out items at Meyer's (kinda like Wal-Mart and K-mart if Meyer's is just a regional chain) I saw some real nice stainless steel th
<P><FONT FACE="Arial">Just thought I'd spread the find to others.</FONT>
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Date: 22-Jun-99 12:08:50 -0400
Hi guys. I don't know what to call it, but I need it replaced. It's a sort of internal moulding that goes inside the door at the top by the window, and it has some sort of fuzzy stuff on it that rubs against the window. I think it prevents
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want a car that i can mod. Is it possible to mod DMC's and get good
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Subject: [DML] Intermittent Electronics
Date: 22-Jun-99 11:39:03 -0700
Re various electronic problems we have with our D's, I have worked with electronics all my life and have found that I can fix about 95 per cent of the problems by resoldering a PC Board that might be in question. I don't know if this wou
with the tail light boards or not as I have never looked at mine. So much of the time the little wire going thru the hole has come unsoldered,or has a high resistance connection, although it LOOKS perfectly okay. I just touch a fine tip
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<DIV>with the tail light boards or not as I have never looked at
mine. So much of the time the little wire going thru the hole has
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perfectly okay. I just touch a fine tipped solder iron lightly to that
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Subject: [DML] John DeLorean: Pres. of American Airlines
Date: 22-Jun-99 12:40:59 -0700
Here is an interesting morsel I found in Eagle The Story of American
Airlines by Robert Serling. On P.437 it mentions that JZD was one on a
list of ~30 prospects from headhunters to follow C.R. Smith as Pres. of AA.
Smith scratched him off the list saying,"DeLorean would go nuts in a
government-regulated industry". Goodness, could you immagine a B-777 with
gull-wing doors? What a concept!!!! Drive Stainless Robert VIN
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Date: 22-Jun-99 16:14:18 -0400
agentxtreme@juno.com wrote:
>
> Hi, I am new to the list and am thinking about getting a DMC-12 but i
> want a car that i can mod. Is it possible to mod DMC's and get good
> results, what mods have you guys done??
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
>
Just exactly what is it that you want to "mod"? Do you
mean "modify"? If so, I suppose you could modify ANYTHING
on a DeLorean if you were so inclined to ruin it. Did you
have in mind modifying it to resemble a BTTF D? Probably
one of the most frequent modifications seen that is remotely
acceptable is painting the car. Sometimes that becomes
necessary if there has been a lot of body damage done and
repaired with body putty. The only choice you have in that
case is to paint. If you are considering an engine
modification, there is a turbocharger kit that is available
and is an acceptable modification to some if done correctly.
Some also find it acceptable to modify the radio system by
installing an upgraded radio.
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Subject: [DML] Re: ADMIN NOTE - or - What's going on with this list, anyway??
Date: 22-Jun-99 16:28:26 -0400
Dave Swingle wrote:
>
> ----The list will remain free of charge. It will be supported by continued
> sales of DMC paraphernalia as James has been doing.
Good afternoon Dave!
I would like to order some items from the DMC News Store. Do I send the
order to you at the same address James had posted under the "Ordering
Information" button? (That was DMC News, PO BOX, Mesa, AZ) Actually
the "Ordering Information" is at the bottom of the Store's page.
Thank you,
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Date: 22-Jun-99 18:09:23 -0400
Look hard and be prepared to pay, theres a few turbo models out there
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Subject: [DML] i'm looking for a delorean model
Date: 22-Jun-99 18:26:14 -0400
i'm looking for a delorean or back to the future part one model that is already put together.if anyone can help me please e-mail me.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Intermittent Electronics
Date: 22-Jun-99 19:07:49 -0400
Murry--
New boards are the best answer but there are ways to cure it. I took mine and
cleaned the board where the ground connection makes a connection off of each
lamp socket and using radio solder made a bridge to the board and no problems
since. All these connections will have corrosion between them after this many
years
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 22-Jun-99 19:19:35 -0400
Hi Joe,
The original thread was for stalling and rough idle for the first couple of
minutes then the engine runs fine. When first started it dies immediately,
restart and die again. This happens for several tries until the engine will
just stay running, (very rough) . Any application of the gas pedal kills the
engine during this time. After two or three minutes, no problem, engines runs
smooth and accelerates fine.
The replies to the thread implied the problem was in the fuel enrichment
circuit, mainly the warmup regulator (102353) and the frequency valve (102395).
Rather than blindly replacing these components I would rather have a means of
diagnostics. Snapon Tools has a nice little fuel injection test kit for only
$795.00, but I could replace a lot of parts for that much.
So that's the story, any ideas.
Dave
DMC Joe wrote:
> Dave,
> There are many items that could cause fuel enrichment problems, the
> pressure regulator is just about last on the list of items that could be
> defective. What kind of fuel enrichment problems are you having.
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Subject: [DML] Oil
Date: 22-Jun-99 20:48:53 -0400
Since my car has less than 18K on it, I'm thinking of switching it to a
synthetic oil. I have two questions:
I change oil in the driveway, can't find the plug in the D. Where is the
drain plug and what size is it?
Also, does anyone have experience with synthetics, pro or con? Any
recommendations?
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Subject: [DML] UP SIDE DOWN D
Date: 22-Jun-99 22:03:40 -0400
Jason,
The doors weigh around 80 pounds static weight. If the car is upside down
and you pull the interior door handle the door will easily open because
there is now 160 pounds (door weight plus torsion bar and gas strut counter
pressure) of opening pressure. The curvature of the roof will allow at
least on door to open enough for an average size person to squeeze out.
Of course if the hinges or latches are damaged or the car is underwater or
flying in a BTTF movie none of the above will apply.
BTW the very low profile and wide track of the DeLorean makes for a low
probability of inverting the car.
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Subject: [DML] Engine NO. ?
Date: 22-Jun-99 22:33:05 -0400
I am in the process of constructing a new window sticker for my D using the
one provided at the DMCnews website as a template. I have all the info I need
except the Engine NO. (I assume the NO. stands for "number"). What exactly is
this number and where on the engine can I find it?
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Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean Viewings and Taillights
Date: 22-Jun-99 23:22:23 -0400
Save yourself self the trouble and buy the updated circuit boards
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Motor Company Adds New Tem Member
Date: 22-Jun-99 22:22:56 -0500
To all DML'rs
What a great combination: Steve Wynne & Steve Espy! I have "lurked" for
years and waited for advice from Espy. Wynne has saved my DeLorean many
times! Many thanks for your service and advice guys!
Bobby Mims
Tyler, Texas
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Subject: [DML] DeLorean Motor Company Adds New Tem Member
> DeLorean Motor Company of Houston, Texas announced today the addition of
> James Espey as Marketing Director. James has been a driving force behind
> the growth of the DeLorean marque on the Internet, having created and
> moderated the DeLorean Mailing List since 1995. Previously, James was the
> first Internet Director for the DeLorean Owners Association.
>
> "Any DeLorean owner will tell you that the public still has many
> misconceptions regarding the DeLorean Sports Car. Our goal at DMC is to
> change that by providing the highest quality repairs and restorations
while
> insuring the future availability of parts," said James.
>
> Stephen Wynne, owner of DeLorean Motor Company (Houston), has been
> servicing, restoring and selling DeLorean automobiles and parts since
1981.
> Originally based in Los Angeles, the company has been based in Houston
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>
> For more information about the largest DeLorean-only parts, service and
> restoration facility in the world, point your web browser to http://www.
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Subject: [DML] Re: window fuzzy stuff...
Date: 22-Jun-99 23:44:50 -0400
Dan,
This is a generic auto window glazing product, you would have to buy it in
bulk, probably enough to do 30 DeLoreans. Bite the bullet and order part #
106063.
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Subject: [DML] window fuzzy stuff...
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 12:08 PM
Hi guys. I don't know what to call it, but I need it replaced. It's a sort
of internal moulding that goes inside the door at the top by the window,
and it has some sort of fuzzy stuff on it that rubs against the window. I
think it prevents the window from getting scratched. Whatever it is, I need
to replace it. Is there an aftermarket application for this part? Thanks in
advance for any help. ---Dan Vin#5493
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Subject: [DML] Re: Newbie
Date: 22-Jun-99 22:16:20 -0700
It depends on what you want to do. A few Delorean owners have opted to
turbocharged their cars. What did you have in mind? There are some
modifications but the Delorean does not have the aftermarket following like
Hondas, Chevys, and Mazdas.
Marc
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>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:47:09 -0400
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>Hi, I am new to the list and am thinking about getting a DMC-12 but i
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean as a daily driver?
Date: 23-Jun-99 1:22:51 -0400
Alex'
you can get a D in that price range. I just did. Check the web, Classified
to go 100+ MILES if you want a nice one.
Good luck. A D is a bargan at that price, but available if you put in some
time and effort. Look at a few before you buy, BUT if you see a good one first
BUY IT!!
Bob
Alex Bischoff wrote:
> In May, I'll be graduating from college and, at that time, I plan on
> getting a new car. (I mean "new" in the sense of different, not necessarily
> "brand new".)
>
> I'm considering getting a D, but I'm a bit worried, as this car would be my
> daily driver -- this would be the car I'd be driving to and from work, and
> for everything really.
>
> Considering their age, are Ds reliable enough for this kind of daily use?
> To add to this, I'm not really much of a car person; I take care of the
> vital fluids, but I take my current car ('91 Taurus wagon) to the shop for
> most other maintenance.
>
> Lastly, if a D would be suitable, after all that, where would be a good
> place to find one? And, what price should I expect to pay? Other cars I'm
> considering (Olds Alero / Mercury Cougar / VW Golf) are about $16-18k with
> the options I want...
>
> Alex Bischoff abischof@fore.com
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Date: 23-Jun-99 7:30:16 +0100
Thanks for all your good work Jim. I think it is great that DMC now
needs a marketing director. This is proof that the car is still alive.
Welome to Dave Swingle. He has fully restored his own D part by part
and knowns the car thoroughly. I am glad he has the time to devote to
this worthy cause.
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Subject: [DML] Re: ADMIN: DML changes hands
Date: 23-Jun-99 1:39:00 -0700
James,
Congratulations on your new position at DeLorean Motor Company, you bring a
wealth of knowledge to Stephen's company as well as being a new member
everyone knows and respects. He got the better deal.
Good luck
Mike and Deanna Atkinson
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Subject: [DML] D as a first car?
Date: 23-Jun-99 5:54:14 -0400
Does anyone reccomend have a DeLorean as a first car? That's what I'm planning/hoping on doing. My great-great aunt has been somewhat of a "penny-pincher" for a LONG time. She's got a lot of money, but won't spend it. And when she passes-on
One of the main problems is my dad. I wouldn't exactly call him a DeLorean enthusiast. I've pumped so much information and "success" stories about Ds into him, I've run out of them! Any time I bring up the subject, he seems to drop it with
Any further advice for a problem like this?
Wes
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Subject: [DML] DML: Thank You, James Espey
Date: 23-Jun-99 9:30:04 -0400
I know the DML has a policy against "me too" posts, but in the case of
the flood of gratitude toward DML founder James Espey I am making an
extraordinary exception. If DML subscribers are moved to thank Mr.
Espey publically for his efforts then I will not stand in their way.
Until Friday, that is, when my term ends.
Obviously the DML would not exist without James Espey, and all of us are
in his debt for the hundreds (thousands?) of hours he put into providing
us with this service. James is quite a guy, and I am proud to call him
my friend.
- Mike Substelny
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Subject: [DML] Re: ADMIN NOTE - or - What's going on with this list, anyway??
Date: 23-Jun-99 9:33:10 -0400
If this is true, why do I always have a advertisement at the bottom of
all messages received?!
Dave Swingle wrote:
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean as a daily driver?
Date: 23-Jun-99 9:40:11 -0400
Here is another opinion: Even if you think the first delorean is good,
look at a few more. Unless you are very familiar with the car you will
need means of comparison.
I was ready to buy the second one I looked at, but a call to Rob Grady
to get some prices to repair the problems I found lead me to decide to
keep looking.
Robert Hlavacek wrote:
<SNIP>
> Good luck. A D is a bargan at that price, but available if you put in some
> time and effort. Look at a few before you buy, BUT if you see a good one first
> BUY IT!!
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine NO. ?
Date: 23-Jun-99 9:41:54 -0400
David,
Go to A:08:05 in your Workshop Manual for a map of all labels. The engine
label is at number 29.
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> From: DMC5524@aol.com
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Engine NO. ?
> Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 10:33 PM
>
> I am in the process of constructing a new window sticker for my D using
the
> one provided at the DMCnews website as a template. I have all the info I
need
> except the Engine NO. (I assume the NO. stands for "number"). What
exactly is
> this number and where on the engine can I find it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> David
> VIN 5524
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 23-Jun-99 9:52:20 -0400
David,
Close your wallet, no need spending that kind of money.
Here are a couple of questions.
Are all vacuum lines properly connected ?
Has the CO mix ever been adjusted ?
Is the tamper proof plug still in place ?
Do you hear the frequency valve buzzing while the engine is idling ?
BTW both the warm up regulator and frequency valve have an extremely low
failure rate, I seriously doubt that either one needs to be replaced.
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> From: David Sontos <dsontos@sybercom.net>
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
> Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 7:19 PM
>
> Hi Joe,
> The original thread was for stalling and rough idle for the first couple
of
> minutes then the engine runs fine. When first started it dies
immediately,
> restart and die again. This happens for several tries until the engine
will
> just stay running, (very rough) . Any application of the gas pedal kills
the
> engine during this time. After two or three minutes, no problem, engines
runs
> smooth and accelerates fine.
>
> The replies to the thread implied the problem was in the fuel enrichment
> circuit, mainly the warmup regulator (102353) and the frequency valve
(102395).
> Rather than blindly replacing these components I would rather have a
means of
> diagnostics. Snapon Tools has a nice little fuel injection test kit for
only
> $795.00, but I could replace a lot of parts for that much.
>
> So that's the story, any ideas.
>
> Dave
>
> DMC Joe wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> > There are many items that could cause fuel enrichment problems, the
> > pressure regulator is just about last on the list of items that could
be
> > defective. What kind of fuel enrichment problems are you having.
>
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Subject: [DML] DML: Thanks to James, Welcome all the new administraitors!
Date: 23-Jun-99 10:04:56 -0400
I just wanted to say thanks to James, I've long had a faint idea of
how much effort he was putting into the DML. I've been in dis-belief
lately that James had allowed the DML to get so large and was actually
able to keep up with it all! I'm glad that he was able to move on to
the position he has, where he'll be able to continue to be involved in
the Delorean community in a big way, and recieve that pay check that
he so greatly deserves.
Only those who are taking over for James can truly begin to appreciate
all of the work he has done, and to them, I say, Thanks for taking on
such a mighty task, and I wish you well in continuing the great thing
that James has started here!
-Steve <dmc@fdt.net>
VIN 17117
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Subject: [DML] On modifications and engine swaps
Date: 23-Jun-99 12:22:20 -0400
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For the person that wants to 'mod' their DeLorean:
If you want a high performance car, lots of aftermarket goodies, etc...
the DeLorean is not your car, unfortunately. The DeLorean's PRV engine is
known for fuel economy and reliability, not high performance. In stock
trim it makes just a little over 130HP. As far as aftermarket upgrades,
most of them are reliability oriented. The only real performance upgrade
is one of the various turbo kits. These are generally fairly expensive,
and while they make a noticeable performance boost, the resultant output
is most always below 200HP - pretty good by 1981 standards, but not by
1999 standards. I estimate that with forged rods & pistons, intercoolers,
etc. you might be able to get about 250HP out of the PRV. The RX-7 (which
weighs about the same) makes that much stock.
For the same price, you can get a good late-model Supra, RX-7, Stealth, or
300ZX. You'll find that these sorts of cars respond much better to
bolt-on modifications. The DeLorean is beautiful, and unique. It's the
sort of car that doesn't *have* to prove itself at a stoplight.
The only real way to make a DeLorean go real fast is to put in a different
kind of engine. Buick and Chevy V6s have been done and can make 300HP or
so; there's also a couple of V8s that will fit. Any more than 300HP or so
and you will break your transmission and possibly overstress the frame, as
well, so you have a major re-engineering effort if you want to go past
that.
Whoever mentioned the idea of a 3-rotor Mazda wankel, email me privately.
I have put some thought into that one...
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Subject: [DML] Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
Date: 23-Jun-99 14:11:32 -0400
I just had the slave cylinder & master clutch cylinder replaced. I'm
concerned as to the old fluid damaging areas it leaked on. The master was
the leaking component (the slave was ok, but I had it changed). Fluid was
running down from behind the brake pedal onto the carpeting.
Any suggestions on what areas I should clean or check? If so, what should I
use to clean these areas, etc?
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Subject: [DML] Re: Good luck and thanks
Date: 23-Jun-99 14:40:07 -0400
I also want to say THANKS to James Espey for the way he has taken care of the
[DML]. This mailing list has been a great help to me many times. And James,
you are going to a first rate co. with DMC of Houston. I got my D. #6905 from
them three years ago, and have been very happy with all the dealings I have
had with them. GOOD LUCK JAMES!!!!
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Subject: [DML] Re: On modifications and engine swaps
Date: 23-Jun-99 15:09:49 -0400
Did you know that the wankel was considered for the DeLorean during its
research days ?
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Subject: [DML] Re: Accessorize'n
Date: 23-Jun-99 15:11:10 -0400
YOU MUST BE JOKING !
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To: 'dmcnews@egroups.com'
Subject: [DML] Re: Accessorize'n
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 3:23 AM
I don't have a D yet, but I'm planning on one soon. If/When I get my D,
there are a few things I could do with it.
I could keep it as origional as possible, and not change anything -or-
Go *ALL* out with the foot-shaped chrome gas pedal, light-up (neon)
shifting knob, fuzzy dice, Neon-light around the license plate,
exhaust-pipe "extensions" etc. Of course, I probably won't end up doing
these accessories (although, all those are removable, and could be taken
off and have the origionals put back on in about 10 minutes.) But it would
be interesting to see a D like that.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
Date: 23-Jun-99 15:30:48 -0400
There is not much to worry about in the interior. If the fluid has reached
the floor just place a few layers of paper towels between the carpet and
floor and change the paper daily until all traces of the fluid are gone. To
eliminate orders spray the area with Turtle wax Odor-X.
The only area of concern outside the car is the frame. If the fluid has
damaged any of the gray epoxy, peal off the damaged section and re-coat the
area with gray primer or a rust arresting spray.
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> From: UNCLEUMP@aol.com
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 2:11 PM
>
> I just had the slave cylinder & master clutch cylinder replaced. I'm
> concerned as to the old fluid damaging areas it leaked on. The master
was
> the leaking component (the slave was ok, but I had it changed). Fluid
was
> running down from behind the brake pedal onto the carpeting.
>
> Any suggestions on what areas I should clean or check? If so, what
should I
> use to clean these areas, etc?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!!!
>
> mATT
>
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Subject: [DML] Emergency Brake Adjustment?
Date: 23-Jun-99 15:54:37 -0400
My D passed the CT safety inspection except for the emergency break, so I
need to fix it and get it reinspected Thursday AM. I knew it was a little
weak.
I see an adjustment point where the cable meets the brake at the rear wheel.
Is there also an adjustment that can be made at the other end of the cable
at the brake set handle? This might be easier to get at if it's there. I
can see the daylight in the e-brake pads to the rotor, so I know they are
loose.
This is my work email, please mail a response to the list or to me at
rahlavacek@snet.net.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Accessorize'n
Date: 23-Jun-99 16:02:52 -0400
I hope he is joking..
Even if your the type of person who wants neon and dice to attract
attention, you dont need it in the delorean. It's a delorean, thats
enough.
DMC Joe wrote:
>
> YOU MUST BE JOKING !
>
> ----------
> From: Martins <martins@ntr.net>
> I don't have a D yet, but I'm planning on one soon. If/When I get my D,
> there are a few things I could do with it.
> I could keep it as origional as possible, and not change anything -or-
> Go *ALL* out with the foot-shaped chrome gas pedal, light-up (neon)
> shifting knob, fuzzy dice, Neon-light around the license plate,
> exhaust-pipe "extensions" etc. Of course, I probably won't end up doing
> these accessories (although, all those are removable, and could be taken
> off and have the origionals put back on in about 10 minutes.) But it would
> be interesting to see a D like that.
>
> Wes
>
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Subject: [DML] Thank you James!
Date: 23-Jun-99 16:02:51 -0400
James,
If it weren't for the DeLorean Mailing List, I never would have
traded my Honda for a DeLorean, or been able to buy parts and get
technical info so easily. My father and I owe almost our entire
DeLorean experience to you, and I wish you the best in your new
position.
I foresee a great many challenges and possibilities in marketing at
DMC Houston, and I know you will be very happy devising solutions for
these. If you ever need process oriented product or graphic design
solutions to meet marketing needs feel free to contact me at the below
e-mail address.
Thanks again,
Josh Haldeman
haldeman.4@osu.edu
VIN 5102
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean as a daily driver?
Date: 23-Jun-99 16:33:53 -0400
Alex,
The price range you're looking at is about what you should expect to pay for
a DeLorean in good condition. I don't drive mine daily, so I cannot speak
about its reliability as a daily driver, but I know several people who use
their D's as their primary mode of transportation and have few problems.
The most important thing I can tell you is don't buy the first one you come
across. Look at several cars and have them checked out thoroughly by someone
who understands European autos. Don't buy one with extrememly low mileage,
ie less than 20000. I bought one with very low miles and discovered that not
being driven destroys a car's components faster than driving it everyday.
Look in "Hemmings Motor News" and check the major D parts suppliers. Most of
them sell refurbished D's.
Good luck in your search.
Brian
VIN 1597
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Subject: [DML] Re: Emergency Brake Adjustment?
Date: 23-Jun-99 17:17:56 -0400
Bob,
Save yourself a lot of work. When the DeLorean shop manual was written the
wrong information was printed regarding the parking brake adjustment.
Contact us directly for more information.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
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> From: Hlavacek, Bob <Bob.Hlavacek@bicworld.com>
> To: 'dmcnews@egroups.com'
> Subject: [DML] Emergency Brake Adjustment?
> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 3:54 PM
>
> My D passed the CT safety inspection except for the emergency break, so I
> need to fix it and get it reinspected Thursday AM. I knew it was a
little
> weak.
>
> I see an adjustment point where the cable meets the brake at the rear
wheel.
> Is there also an adjustment that can be made at the other end of the
cable
> at the brake set handle? This might be easier to get at if it's there.
I
> can see the daylight in the e-brake pads to the rotor, so I know they are
> loose.
>
> This is my work email, please mail a response to the list or to me at
> rahlavacek@snet.net.
>
> Thanks, Bob Hlavacek
>
> (203) 377-7551
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean as a daily driver?
Date: 23-Jun-99 17:26:57 -0400
In a message dated 6/23/99 4:56:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LovDMC12@AOL.COM
writes:
<< Don't buy one with extrememly low mileage,
ie less than 20000. I bought one with very low miles and discovered that
not
being driven destroys a car's components faster than driving it everyday.
>>
This is not true in most cases. I bought my D with about 7500 miles on the
odometer and the car looks and runs like new. Many owners have low miles but
have also maintained the car well and run it regularly to maintain its
components. I believe the most important factor is the past history and
ownership of a DeLorean. Mileage is probably the variable that can be the
most misleading. For instance alot of D's have the incorrect mileage for
many reasons such as failure of the angle drive and so on. There are D's
with 10,000 miles that can run as well as D's with 100,000 miles all
depending on how well the cars were cared for and maintained. When lookig to
buy a D learn as much as you can about the previous owner or owners and the
cars history. This can be the single most important way to avoid future
headaches
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Subject: [DML] Re: Accessorize'n
Date: 23-Jun-99 17:37:54 -0500
In-reply-to: <37713D6C>.CD8AE38D
I've got the fuzzy dice!! (but not the rest of the stuff). My wife thinks
the dice are "cute". Gotta keep the wife happy if you want to spend money
on the car!
Mark N
VIN 6820
PS--Gotta go along with all the good things others have been saying about
James Espey. If it hadn't been for the DMC-News site I wouldn't have bought
the car! Great info out there! Thanks James!
At 04:02 PM 6/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I hope he is joking..
>
>Even if your the type of person who wants neon and dice to attract
>attention, you dont need it in the delorean. It's a delorean, thats
>enough.
>
>
>DMC Joe wrote:
>>
>> YOU MUST BE JOKING !
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Martins <martins@ntr.net>
>
>> I don't have a D yet, but I'm planning on one soon. If/When I get my D,
>> there are a few things I could do with it.
>> I could keep it as origional as possible, and not change anything -or-
>> Go *ALL* out with the foot-shaped chrome gas pedal, light-up (neon)
>> shifting knob, fuzzy dice, Neon-light around the license plate,
>> exhaust-pipe "extensions" etc. Of course, I probably won't end up doing
>> these accessories (although, all those are removable, and could be taken
>> off and have the origionals put back on in about 10 minutes.) But it would
>> be interesting to see a D like that.
>>
>> Wes
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 23-Jun-99 18:43:33 -0400
Joe,
My DeLorean has exactly the same starting problems that David's has.
I suspect some sort of device has failed but I too am at a loss for
"guessing" which one. My D has less than 10,000 on it and the
engine has NEVER been worked on or tinkered with until only recently.
The starting problem began years ago. I seriously doubt a wiring
problem or a vacuum line problem. I have all the correct answers to
the questions you posed to David. So, now it's beginning to sound
like either the warm-up regulator or the frequency valve has failed.
Although you state that neither has a high failure rate, which one
do you think would be most likely to fail if that's the case? This
is shotgunning, but perhaps I could change one and David could change
the other one. If one or the other works, then we will know. If
neither works......hmmmmmmm. Then what?
BTW, how expensive are these two devices? And which one is easiest
to replace? Could either or both be removed, disassembled, cleaned
or repaired, and reinstalled? If so, would that be a reasonable
alternative to replacement? If it works, it works. If not, we are
back to square one, but nothing lost except for some time. What
are the operational symptoms one might expect to encounter caused
by the failure of each of these devices? If I had to describe the
operational symptoms I'm experiencing, they would be identical to
what David has written. I am beginning to get the distinct
impression that the problem we are having is rare.
Thanks for listening.
Ed Thompson (#6419)
Midlothian, VA
DMC Joe wrote:
>
> David,
> Close your wallet, no need spending that kind of money.
>
> Here are a couple of questions.
> Are all vacuum lines properly connected ?
> Has the CO mix ever been adjusted ?
> Is the tamper proof plug still in place ?
> Do you hear the frequency valve buzzing while the engine is idling ?
>
> BTW both the warm up regulator and frequency valve have an extremely low
> failure rate, I seriously doubt that either one needs to be replaced.
>
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Date: 23-Jun-99 18:56:32 -0400
JAMES:
CONGRATS ON YOUR DECISION AND I HOPE IT WORKS WELL FOR YOU AND STEVE
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>
Answers to Joes questions:
>
> Here are a couple of questions.
> Are all vacuum lines properly connected ? YES
> Has the CO mix ever been adjusted ? YES
> Is the tamper proof plug still in place ? NO, has plastic plug
> Do you hear the frequency valve buzzing while the engine is idling ? YES
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Subject: [DML] Tech Questions
Date: 23-Jun-99 18:33:01 -0700
Can anyone in this group answer these questions?
1) What are the original pressure specifications on the hood, door and rear struts?
2) What is the procedure for resetting the ECU (lambda light)?
3) What are the cooling system bleeding procedures?
Any information will be greatly appreciated.
Dave
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Subject: [DML] Re: Oil
Date: 23-Jun-99 20:48:44 -0500
The drain plug is on the front surface of the oil sump. If you run
your fingers along the front edge of the pan between the pan
and the frame you should be able to feel it. It is not a normal
plug. It uses a square bit instead of a torx bit or open end
wrenct.
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"yugoman" <mdrig@email.msn.com> on 06/22/99 07:48:53 PM
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Subject: [DML] Oil
Since my car has less than 18K on it, I'm thinking of switching it to a
synthetic oil. I have two questions:
I change oil in the driveway, can't find the plug in the D. Where is the
drain plug and what size is it?
Also, does anyone have experience with synthetics, pro or con? Any
recommendations?
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Date: 23-Jun-99 21:32:54 -0500
Probably because eGroups says they haven't received a check yet, although we
think we paid it. Still checking for now.
dave
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Subject: [DML] Deloreans on E-Bay
Date: 23-Jun-99 22:13:51 -0500
000Importance: Normal
Hey, there's an '81 manual in Connecticut on E-Bay currently at $6100. I'm
sure it won't go for that price but at under $10k for a running car with a
good exterior, you can afford to send it to James, Steve and Warren in
Houston for full repairs and updates.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120226883
E-Bay also has a Delorean that just went up for sale for $12k...in Austin,
TX. If anybody is interested and wants me to check out the car and give you
my free $.02, let me know.
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Subject: [DML] Re: A/C Blower Motor
Date: 23-Jun-99 23:17:31 -0500
Thanks for the reply. As soon as I read your answer, I remembered this cure
from years ago in some publication about water problems with D's. I haven't
sealed the hood stop yet but I certainly will soon!
Judging from your e-mail address and your phone number, you must be from around
the Raleigh NC area. I'm in Winston-Salem. I graduated from NCSU and I bought
my D new December 4 1981.
By the way, several of us are going to get together at Tanglewood Park right
outside Winston on July 10th. then we're going to go somewhere for supper. Four
have committed to come already. It's possible we could have eight or nine D's
in attendance.
If you're interested, let me know.
Bill Lane
blane@netunlimited.net
336-748-1211
Vicky Miller wrote:
> hi there is a small stud with a rubber cap directly over the blower .this is
> used for a stop for the hood this is where the water enters. remove -and
> seal this should fix the problem questions call bob 919 383 6187 thanx bob
>
> riginal Message-----
>
> From: William F. Lane <blane@netunlimited.net>
> To: Delorean News group <dmcnews@egroups.co
>
> m>
> Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 10:46 PM
> Subject: [DML] A/C Blower Motor
>
> > Just replaced my blower motor for the third time. This time the motor
> >had frozen from rust. Can anyone tell me what to do to keep water out
> >of the motor. The cowl drain was cleaned out but it was not stopped up
> >enough to cause water to divert to another route.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Bill Lane
> >blane@netunlimited.net
> >vin 3635
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
Date: 24-Jun-99 8:34:48 -0400
In-reply-to: <19990623193234>.ZZHU8212
>The only area of concern outside the car is the frame. If the fluid has
>damaged any of the gray epoxy, peal off the damaged section and re-coat the
>area with gray primer or a rust arresting spray.
>
>DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
>Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
Joe: (or anyone else who knows)
Could you please post what the epoxy is and where to get it? (original
type or equivelent) I remember reading it sometime on the list in the past
(maybe a year ago). However, I did not find it with a quick search.
thanx,
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean as a daily driver?
Date: 24-Jun-99 8:42:53 -0400
In-reply-to: <F0A6D8BA>.24a29eb1
>The most important thing I can tell you is don't buy the first one you come
>across. Look at several cars and have them checked out thoroughly by
someone
>who understands European autos. Don't buy one with extrememly low mileage,
>ie less than 20000. I bought one with very low miles and discovered that
not
>being driven destroys a car's components faster than driving it everyday.
>Brian
>VIN 1597
I agree with Brian, do not buy the first one you find. When I bought my D,
I was surprised to find that there were so many available (on the net).
Of course you have to drive to see many, but its worth it if you have the
time. I do not, however, agree about the low milage. I purchased mine
with under 20,000 miles and drove it 5 hours to get it home without a
problem. If you find a low milage D, just make sure it has been adequately
maintained. Obviously any car that has just sat, even if it has 70,000
miles but sat for the last 10 years, is going to have problems.
My humble input,
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Subject: [DML] JZD related article
Date: 24-Jun-99 9:28:50 -0700
I found this article while surfing the web...has a few interesting quotes
from JZD!
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
Date: 24-Jun-99 21:41:25 +0000
Matt,
I had the exact thing happen with mine. I yanked the carpeting out and
cleaned up everything with Acetone. Be advised I am a chemist by trade and
maybe don't head chemical warnings as well as one should. Acetone is a
carcinigen (like most organic solvents) so make sure you wear gloves and do
the cleaning in a well ventilated area AWAY FROM ALL OPEN FLAMES, Acetone is
VERY flammable. I used a small scrub brush on the floor carpet, if you do
this be careful none splashes on your face. It is a good idea not to let it
get on any of your skin as it will take the oil out of your skin just as
well as it removes brake fluid from carpeting. There may be a safer
alternative, I tried Ethanol, Methanol, and Iso-Propyl Alcohol, none worked
nearly as well as Acetone. O-Xylene might work but is much more expensive.
Methyl Ethyl Ketone and Methylene Chloride will probably work but are much
nastier than Acetone, I wouldn't recommend either.
Good Luck and Be Safe,
-SweatyEddy
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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 6:11 PM
Subject: [DML] Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
> I just had the slave cylinder & master clutch cylinder replaced. I'm
> concerned as to the old fluid damaging areas it leaked on. The master was
> the leaking component (the slave was ok, but I had it changed). Fluid was
> running down from behind the brake pedal onto the carpeting.
>
> Any suggestions on what areas I should clean or check? If so, what should
I
> use to clean these areas, etc?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!!!
>
> mATT
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Subject: [DML] Re: Oil
Date: 24-Jun-99 17:50:14 -0400
> Also, does anyone have experience with synthetics, pro or con? Any
> recommendations?
I have read numerous articles (including Consumer's Report) that synthetics
are nowhere near worth the cost. The key is changing the oil at least as
frequently as recommended. Oil does not wear out. It gets contaminated
with acids and dirt. Synthetics get contaminated just like the real stuff.
Using "regular" oil, you could change it 2 or 3 times more often than the
recommended interval and STILL save money over using synthetics. Please
don't take this wrong. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with synthetics
except the price. It has been argued that synthetics have better lubricating
qualities but how much better has never really been scientifically quantified.
Just claims. I ran a Mercedes over 300,000 miles using "regular" oil. If I
had been using synthetics I would have spent hundreds and hundreds (maybe
thousands?) of dollars more over the years just for oil. When I sold the car
it was still running fine on "cheap" oil.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Emergency Brake Adjustment?
Date: 24-Jun-99 19:48:08 -0400
How about supplying it to the list as I haven't heard that the manual was
wrong and have had this same problem. Thanks, Ralph vin 1606
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 24-Jun-99 23:47:45 -0400
Ann & Ed,
As I had mentioned previously it is unlikely either unit is bad. Both items
are fairly simple with few moving parts. I will ask you the same question I
asked David. Do you hear the frequency valve buzzing while the engine is at
idle?
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
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> From: Ann & Ed Thompson <rapparivarat@erols.com>
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 6:43 PM
>
> Joe,
>
> My DeLorean has exactly the same starting problems that David's has.
> I suspect some sort of device has failed but I too am at a loss for
> "guessing" which one. My D has less than 10,000 on it and the
> engine has NEVER been worked on or tinkered with until only recently.
> The starting problem began years ago. I seriously doubt a wiring
> problem or a vacuum line problem. I have all the correct answers to
> the questions you posed to David. So, now it's beginning to sound
> like either the warm-up regulator or the frequency valve has failed.
> Although you state that neither has a high failure rate, which one
> do you think would be most likely to fail if that's the case? This
> is shotgunning, but perhaps I could change one and David could change
> the other one. If one or the other works, then we will know. If
> neither works......hmmmmmmm. Then what?
>
> BTW, how expensive are these two devices? And which one is easiest
> to replace? Could either or both be removed, disassembled, cleaned
> or repaired, and reinstalled? If so, would that be a reasonable
> alternative to replacement? If it works, it works. If not, we are
> back to square one, but nothing lost except for some time. What
> are the operational symptoms one might expect to encounter caused
> by the failure of each of these devices? If I had to describe the
> operational symptoms I'm experiencing, they would be identical to
> what David has written. I am beginning to get the distinct
> impression that the problem we are having is rare.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Ed Thompson (#6419)
> Midlothian, VA
>
> DMC Joe wrote:
> >
> > David,
> > Close your wallet, no need spending that kind of money.
> >
> > Here are a couple of questions.
> > Are all vacuum lines properly connected ?
> > Has the CO mix ever been adjusted ?
> > Is the tamper proof plug still in place ?
> > Do you hear the frequency valve buzzing while the engine is idling ?
> >
> > BTW both the warm up regulator and frequency valve have an extremely
low
> > failure rate, I seriously doubt that either one needs to be replaced.
> >
>
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Subject: [DML] Re: Tech Questions
Date: 25-Jun-99 1:37:48 -0700
Dave,
> 1) What are the original pressure specifications on the
hood, door and rear struts?
Probably only the original vendor knows for sure.
Recommendation: Just buy replacements from DeLorean One,
DeLorean Motor Center, DeLorean Motor Company, Bauerle
Automotive, or PJ Grady
> 2) What is the procedure for resetting the ECU (lambda
light)?
See DeLorean World, Volume 9, No. 1 or Volume 12, No. 2.
Both contain articles on the ECU system, its relation to the
Bosch K-jetronic fuel injection, recommended maintenance,
and service counter resetting.
> 3) What are the cooling system bleeding procedures?
DeLorean World, Volume 2, No. 1, Volume 4, No. 1 and Volume
6, No. 3 all contain articles on cooling system maintenance,
flushing, and bleeding.
Hank Breer
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Thank You, James Espey
Date: 25-Jun-99 9:13:00 -0400
I'd just like to say thanks to James Espey. I purchased my D a little over a
year ago and ever since, every piece of information and resource I've found
has been found on the internet. Most of which has been right here! You
created a great resource for all of us and did an outstanding job of keeping
it going. Congradulations and Good Luck in your new position.
I plan on attending the 2000 show in Ohio and hope to maybe meet you there
and just say "Thanks"
Steve Stankiewicz
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Subject: [DML] Re: Accessorize'n
Date: 25-Jun-99 9:22:23 -0400
Personal Opinion: I'm all for customizing and creating a car that YOU like
, but a neon shifter knob, fuzzy dice, and a big foot gas pedal sounds like a
bad case of K-Mart rash to me. The really good customizations are those that
are well thought out with matching componentry, not just throw-togethers of
anything shiny...but that's just my opinion.
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Subject: [DML] Please Help Me - Wisconsin Owners...
Date: 25-Jun-99 10:26:56 -0500
To all (especially Wisconsin owners in Madison area),
I've decided to try my luck with a different mechanic and am seeking
assistence finding a good mechanic in the southern Wisconsin area
that is familiar with our cars. Good and bad experiences that you can
relate are appreciated. I'm not sure how many Wisconsin owners are
on this list- but if you're out there please email me privately (I
don't want to clutter the list with responses).
I appreciate any help you can provide,
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Subject: [DML] Re: Giugiaro
Date: 25-Jun-99 9:08:03 -0700
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> Another excellent site to check out is Viva DeLoreans Giugiaro Trinute Page
> Its at www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1166/giugiaro.htm
> follow the link to his other work and you will see many good pics. of his
> works, including, what may have been, read was soon to come if Delor stayed
> in bus., the 4 door DeLorean!!!!! :)
Actually the 4 door was argued against by Nuccio Bertone for several valid
reasons. There were three designs by Giugiaro (1975) for a 2+2 version, but
with 2 doors. De Lorean was interested in the 4 door 1980 Medusa by Giugiaro
but that car did not have gullwing doors. Bertone actually built a 2+2
gullwing for Lamborghini called the Marzal. This car resembled the production
DMC-12. Of course a production 4 door DeLorean was never built, but
De Lorean wanted to build one right up to the end.
BTW, GM built a prototype Corvette in the early 70's with gullwing doors.
Guess who was General Manager of Chevrolet when he quit? JZD hisself!
For those of you that can get your hands on one, the book "De Lorean: Stainless
Steel Illusion" (ISBN 0-930880-09-9) is a great source for this kind of trivia.
This book superbly chronicals the 8-year history of the De Lorean Motor
Company. It's packed with drawings and photographs, including a photo of the
first DeLorean prototype, a Fiat X 1/9 fitted with a Ford V-6. There is also
brief mention and a photo of the bus project, the DMC-80.
Ed Thompson (#6419)
Midlothian, VA
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean as a daily driver?
Date: 25-Jun-99 12:18:28 -0400
> << Don't buy one with extrememly low mileage,
> ie less than 20000. I bought one with very low miles and discovered that
> not being driven destroys a car's components faster than driving it everyday.
> >>
>
> This is not true in most cases. I bought my D with about 7500 miles on the
> odometer and the car looks and runs like new. Many owners have low miles but
> have also maintained the car well and run it regularly to maintain its
> components.
I agree wholeheartedly with Gary. My D has 9,850 miles on it (documented
original) and I wouldn't hesitate to drive it anywhere in the country.
Right now! Today! (Except that its never been in rain or snow and I
wouldn't want to take that chance; I drive it only locally and only when
the weather is nice.)
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Subject: [DML] Re: Deloreans on E-Bay
Date: 25-Jun-99 12:48:53 -0400
that D at E Bay didn't go. It was at $7200 but not at the reserve
Later....Donnie
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Subject: [DML] Re: Oil
Date: 25-Jun-99 15:48:33 -0400
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On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Ann & Ed Thompson wrote:
> I have read numerous articles (including Consumer's Report) that synthetics
> are nowhere near worth the cost. The key is changing the oil at least as
> frequently as recommended. Oil does not wear out. It gets contaminated
That's basically true. Actually modern oils and filters are so resistant
to breakdown and contamination that even manufacturers of new cars are
recommending longer change intervals.
The primary use of synthetic oil is that it is extremely resistant to very
high and low temperatures. Because of this it makes an excellent winter
oil, especially for manual transmissions. If you drive your D in the
winter (and you don't live in Texas, or Florida, or something) the use of
synthetic will save a lot of wear and tear on the mechanicals. If you
store it in the winter, you should be flushing all your fluids when you
take it out of storage anyway, so it won't matter. :}
It's also good for high-intensity driving for the same reasons, but most
D's don't get used in that way.
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Subject: [DML] Re: D as a first car?
Date: 25-Jun-99 17:14:15 -0400
How morbid, waiting for you aunt to die so you can buy a DeLorean. Does
she know about this?
Without knowing you..... I hate to say it, but I agree with your dad.
Owning any older car as a first car is a bad idea for a average person.
A "collector" car is much more enjoyable when you can afford the time,
money, and aggravation associated with owning such a car.
As most here agree (we are all DeLorean fans), a well maintained
DeLorean can be very reliable. On the other hand, the average grease
monkey has enough trouble with more common cars. Some parts cant be
purchased at pep-boys, and there may be times the car is unusable for a
few days or more.
My first car when I was 16 was a 1966 mustang (this was in 1986). For
the first year or so, I used my parents cars more than mine. While it
was no problem for me, it was for them! With lots of money and time (I
did a lot of work myself), the car was reliable and would go a few weeks
at a time with no problems. I still have the car today.
In retrospect, I am glad I did it. I learned a lot about cars,
economics, and life in general. But this is me, and like I said before
I dont know you!
Also, $12,000 in most cases will not get you a reliable DeLorean.
I doubt your dad will see this message, huh?
Whatever you decide to do, please dont buy a Sport Utility Vehicle!
Martins wrote:
>
> Does anyone reccomend have a DeLorean as a first car? That's what I'm planning/hoping on doing. My great-great aunt has been somewhat of a "penny-pincher" for a LONG time. She's got a lot of money, but won't spend it. And when she passes-
> One of the main problems is my dad. I wouldn't exactly call him a DeLorean enthusiast. I've pumped so much information and "success" stories about Ds into him, I've run out of them! Any time I bring up the subject, he seems to drop it wit
>
> Any further advice for a problem like this?
>
> Wes
> VIN# NOT YET
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Subject: [DML] Re: Oil
Date: 25-Jun-99 14:15:49 -0700
While I am inclined to agree with the Thompson's comments about oil, I
still use synthetic for one simple reason - my car is turbocharged and it
appears that "synthetic" oil (which as we all know is not really synthetic)
better withstands the high heat built up in the turbos.
Most DeLorean owners drive their cars less than 10,000 miles per year. On
that basis, the annual cost differential is probably the least expensive
of all their DeLorean maintenance itmes.
Dick Ryan
VIN 16867
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
Date: 25-Jun-99 17:17:36 -0400
MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) will most likely melt any plastic it touches.
This is STRONG STUFF. It should not be used by an amateur..
You may want to try Nail Polish Remover. This is very similar to
Acetone, but less dangerous.
SweatyEddy wrote:
>
> Matt,
> I had the exact thing happen with mine. I yanked the carpeting out and
> cleaned up everything with Acetone. Be advised I am a chemist by trade and
> maybe don't head chemical warnings as well as one should. Acetone is a
> carcinigen (like most organic solvents) so make sure you wear gloves and do
> the cleaning in a well ventilated area AWAY FROM ALL OPEN FLAMES, Acetone is
> VERY flammable. I used a small scrub brush on the floor carpet, if you do
> this be careful none splashes on your face. It is a good idea not to let it
> get on any of your skin as it will take the oil out of your skin just as
> well as it removes brake fluid from carpeting. There may be a safer
> alternative, I tried Ethanol, Methanol, and Iso-Propyl Alcohol, none worked
> nearly as well as Acetone. O-Xylene might work but is much more expensive.
> Methyl Ethyl Ketone and Methylene Chloride will probably work but are much
> nastier than Acetone, I wouldn't recommend either.
> Good Luck and Be Safe,
> -SweatyEddy
>
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Subject: [DML] Re: Emergency Brake Adjustment?
Date: 25-Jun-99 17:22:56 -0400
Every once and a while I will mention an updated maintenance or repair
procedure and don't realize how many DeLorean owners are not aware of that
information. I responded to a request about a parking brake adjustment and
now I have several requests on the up dated procedure.
Look for this information at our web site beginning Monday the 28th.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> Subject: [DML] Re: Emergency Brake Adjustment?
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 1999 7:48 PM
>
> How about supplying it to the list as I haven't heard that the manual was
> wrong and have had this same problem. Thanks, Ralph vin 1606
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Subject: [DML] Re: D as a first car?
Date: 25-Jun-99 17:26:11 -0400
Hello,
Well you should also consider insurance. A 16 year old male will easly run $2300-$2500 year for liability only insurance. I recently bought a 97' jeep to use a my primary mode of transportation until i buy a jeep when i'm out of college.
get instant cash, or will have to wait for a special part to come in. For now buy something newer and will last you until a D is a more probable option. Although I'd never want to have any family member die to get a car either. Go buy a
- Shain
Martins wrote:
> Does anyone reccomend have a DeLorean as a first car? That's what I'm planning/hoping on doing. My great-great aunt has been somewhat of a "penny-pincher" for a LONG time. She's got a lot of money, but won't spend it. And when she passes-
> One of the main problems is my dad. I wouldn't exactly call him a DeLorean enthusiast. I've pumped so much information and "success" stories about Ds into him, I've run out of them! Any time I bring up the subject, he seems to drop it wit
>
> Any further advice for a problem like this?
>
> Wes
> VIN# NOT YET
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Subject: [DML] Re: Synthetic Oil
Date: 25-Jun-99 17:23:53 -0500
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At 05:50 PM 6/24/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> Also, does anyone have experience with synthetics, pro or con? Any
>> recommendations?
>
I run synthetics in my everyday car, but I also autocross it (amateur level
racing - visit http://www.autocross.com/ for more info!). The biggest
advantage to synthetics are the resistance to breakdown under heat. This
leads to fewer contaminants in the oil overall.
But, for a DeLorean, you may want to stay with conventional oil and just
make sure the oil gets changed regularly. Synthetics, being man made, have
all identically sized molecules. This means that if you have a leak, a
synthetic oil will leak a LOT more than the natural oils since if one
molecule can go through the hole all the rest can too. This is what led to
all the old stories about not running synthetics in older cars. It wasn't
that it would hurt the car, it was just that older type oil seals weren't
as tight as modern ones. The DeLorean probably has new enough type seals in
it, but most of these cars have sat around for a number of years leading to
drying out and aging of some parts including seals. Personally, I'm
sticking with a quality conventional oil (Castrol 10w-30) and will just
keep it changed often.
Mark N
VIN 6820
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Subject: [DML] Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 25-Jun-99 18:28:08 -0400
Joe,
I had this forwarded to me by Ann & Ed;
> Sounds like an idle speed circuit problem. Here is a test you can
perform
> to find out if the idle speed circuit is working properly. Remove the
black
> wire from the idle speed microswitch (Parts Book 2 / 5 / 0 item 25)
while
> the engine is idling. The idle speed should increase to 2100 to 2600
Rpm's.
> If there is no change you either have a defective idle speed motor,
ECU,
> connector, or wire problem somewhere in the idle speed system.
When I disconnected the black wire, which was the one on the bottom of
the switch, the car did NOT rev up but started surging.
Ok, now I pulled out my DeLorean wiring diagram and I see two
microswitches, items 151 & 152. My car only has one. Ones located at 8B
and the other is located at 9D on the diagram. At Idle Speed Relay #108
I see a diode #25 in this circuit. Where is that diode located in the
car???
Dave Sontos
VIN 02573
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Subject: [DML] Re: D as a first car?
Date: 25-Jun-99 17:33:53 -0500
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Hmmm....Betting on getting that money soon are you?? Watch out, she'll
probably live 'til you're 35 or so! Plus, all this planning on what you'll
do when she passes away is just a little rude and shows a serious lack of
feeling and respect!!
Anyway, I wouldn't recommend it as a first car. They are around 18 years
old after all, and some repairs are going to be needed at various times as
with any older car. You should have enough money to do these repairs
*right* when needed so that the car will maintain it's original value and
continue to be something you want to drive for years. If you spend all your
money purchasing the car then you won't have any money for repairs.
Just my $.02
Mark N
VIN 6820
At 05:54 AM 6/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone reccomend have a DeLorean as a first car? That's what I'm
planning/hoping on doing. My great-great aunt has been somewhat of a
"penny-pincher" for a LONG time. She's got a lot of money, but won't spend
it. And when she passes-on, the money will be inherited by other family
members. She said that I'm supposed to inherit $12,000. Now, that's pretty
much a DeLorean. (Of course, I might save up for a while and put more
towards it; following the rule "You get what you pay for")
>One of the main problems is my dad. I wouldn't exactly call him a DeLorean
enthusiast. I've pumped so much information and "success" stories about Ds
into him, I've run out of them! Any time I bring up the subject, he seems
to drop it with a joke on the D. For example, he said the $12k wouldn't
cover the repairs for one. And when I said I wanted a custom licence-plate
for it (Like "NO TIME", "DMC-12", or "AT88MPH"), he suggested "JUNKER"
>
>Any further advice for a problem like this?
>
>Wes
>VIN# NOT YET
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Subject: [DML] Re: D as a first car?
Date: 25-Jun-99 18:34:15 -0400
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On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Martins wrote:
> Does anyone reccomend have a DeLorean as a first car? That's what I'm
> planning/hoping on doing. My great-great aunt has been somewhat of a
> "penny-pincher" for a LONG time. She's got a lot of money, but won't
> spend it. And when she passes-on, the money will be inherited by other
> family members. She said that I'm supposed to inherit $12,000. Now,
> that's pretty much a DeLorean. (Of course, I might save up for a while
> and put more towards it; following the rule "You get what you pay
> for")
I have really mixed feelings on this.
On the one hand, I firmly believe in "now is the time" and that if you
really want something, you ought to go ahead and get it.
Secondly, you might consider that not spending your money is a good way to
wind up with a lot of it. When I was 16, I had $6,000 in the bank that my
parents gave me. Through careful investing, I turned it into $20,000 by
the time I was in college; I was able to use this money to launch my own
Internet company. It's turned out to be a lot more useful to me than a
DeLorean would have been.
Some people *have* owned DeLoreans as their first car - maybe one of them
will contribute their experience.
On the other hand...
The DeLorean is an automobile that falls firmly in the "high maintenance"
category, not necessarily engine wise, but in all the little details.
Some of the repairs that may need to be done can be fairly expensive.
$12,000 will buy you a DeLorean in reasonable condition, however, it won't
leave any left over for insurance, maintenance, etc. The real cost of a
DeLorean is more than just what you pay to bring it home; how much more
depends on how careful and lucky you are with the car you select. If you
don't have the money your car will become more of a burden than a joy.
I've never known anybody (myself included) that didn't crash their first
car into *something*. Whether you do that at 10 mph or 100 mph will
likely determine whether you get to drive your car to the body shop or
have it towed to the wrecking yard. A DeLorean fender costs $4000, and
driving around town in a rumpled DMC kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't
it.
You might also consider whether you really want to own a DeLorean, or if
you just happen to be excited about it right now. Maybe, a year from now,
you'll want something else - maybe you'll end up wishing you'd bought an
RX-7, or an MR2, or a Mustang, or something.
This is why I recommend that everybody should start out with a Geo Metro,
an old Subaru Legacy, an original Beetle, or something like that. In
addition, those sorts of cars are much easier to drive than a DeLorean.
And they'll get double the fuel economy - which cannot be overlooked if
you have to buy your own gas on a highschooler's salary. :}
Put the rest of the money in a mutual fund. After you have gotten the
hang of car ownership, after a year or so, take your money out (you'll
have more of it), sell the junker (it won't lose much value in a year, if
it only cost $2000 to start with), and buy yourself a nice D, and then
you'll have a little left for when something breaks.
> One of the main problems is my dad. I wouldn't exactly call him a
Don't pay too much attention to that. Either he'll outright forbid you
from buying a DeLorean, or he won't. Try to listen to what he has to say,
though. :}
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
Date: 25-Jun-99 19:02:37 -0500
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At 7:34 AM -0500 6/24/99, Brian Metz wrote:
>Could you please post what the epoxy is and where to get it? (original
>type or equivelent) I remember reading it sometime on the list in the past
> (maybe a year ago). However, I did not find it with a quick search.
>thanx,
>Brian
>16584
>
Brian -
We have some of the original two-part epoxy - call me on Monday and I will
find out for you the costs, etc.
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Subject: [DML] Clutch Master Cylinder in stock and thanks!
Date: 25-Jun-99 19:13:15 -0500
> Where can I find a clutch master cylinder? I called ****** and
> he said he just sold the last one but was looking for more
(SNIP)
Forgive the somewhat commercial nature of this post - I think it is
something that many DML'ers will be interested in knowing.
There was some discussion last week or the week before about availability
of clutch master cylinders. Today we received a small shipment of them here
at DMC in Houston and after filling our backorders, have some left if
anyone needs them.
Part #100462 $153.10, plus shipping.
Also, I would like everyone who took the time to post such kind words about
my work with the DML. Many others emailed me privately and it's very nice
to know that so many people think so highly of the DML and the service it
gives to the owners, enthusiasts and curious. I may have run it, but you
all made it work!
James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas
800/USA-DMC1
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
Date: 25-Jun-99 21:13:28 -0400
Rob Grady has the epoxy coat available, and I think he might sell it to customers who need it. I'm not sure. Give him a call. It's a great match to the original. It might even be the same stuff. ---Dan
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
>The only area of concern outside the car is the frame. If the fluid has
>damaged any of the gray epoxy, peal off the damaged section and re-coat the
>area with gray primer or a rust arresting spray.
>
>DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
>Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
Joe: (or anyone else who knows)
Could you please post what the epoxy is and where to get it? (original
type or equivelent) I remember reading it sometime on the list in the past
(maybe a year ago). However, I did not find it with a quick search.
thanx,
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Subject: [DML] Re: Oil
Date: 25-Jun-99 21:18:52 -0400
I use synthetics in mine all the time plus prolong
one time in My Jag I developed an oil problem. Problem was I did not know
the gauge wasn't working. I blew the oil out of the car (drain plug came
loose) and had less than a quart.
I drove home from Columbus not knowing
I found the problem and fixed it still shocked it didn't lock up.
I figured the motor was toast but two years later and 50K miles more at
186,000 miles I took the Jag apart for a blown head gasket and the internal
parts were still good.
I rebuilt it with the same cam and crank. Still to tolerance specs. and no
signs of significant wear.
I'll pay the extra price and protect the engine
My DeLorean gets new synthetic
To me its worth it
and so do all my cars
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Subject: [DML] Hint on Buying a DMC
Date: 25-Jun-99 21:31:06 -0500
For those of you posting "looking for a Delorean" by far the most
comprehensive source of ads for Deloreans on the net is at
www.traderonline.com. As of today, they are listing 59 cars ranging from
$7500 "needs some work" to $25,000 for a car with 7000 miles. Average is in
the $16000 range, and they are all over the country. There are at least two
with turbos in the $22,000 range.
Hint - search on "Auto Trader", NOT on "Collector Car Trader". Apparently
they see the DMC as too new to be a "collector car". What do they know
anyway?
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Another location for purchasing a DeLorean (this is where I got mine) is
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there are 44 DeLoreans for sale!
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Subject: [DML] Angle drive problems again!!??!!
Date: 25-Jun-99 23:36:28 -0500
Ok...I've tested the angle drive by taking a small screwdriver and inserting it into the hole that the speedo cable goes into. When I spin the angle drive cable (that the small plastic cap goes on) it turns the screwdriver easily and dosen
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Ok...I've tested the angle drive by taking a
small screwdriver and inserting it into the hole that the speedo cable goes
into. When I spin the angle drive cable (that the small plastic cap goes
on) it turns the screwdriver easily and dosen't skip a beat. I thought my
problem was the speedometer cable itself so I got another one from PJ
Grady. I installed it. Then before I connected it to the angle
drive, I turned it and the speedometer spins ok. Then I connected it to
the angle drive and it was really hard to turn from the angle drive cable (that
the cap goes on) I know the speedo cable isn't bad. I know that the
speedometer is turning from the cable. I know that the angle drive works
(until you hook up the speedo cable) I know that the plastic cap is
attached firmly to the spindle. Could someone please tell me what I'm
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Im selling my Limited Edition Delorean Kit. E-mail me for me information. First come first serve. Kit is unopened and still in original shipping box.
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It had serious problems and the owner did not reply to my inquire.
bob
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> that D at E Bay didn't go. It was at $7200 but not at the reserve
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Date: 26-Jun-99 7:46:10 -0700
Dear DML,
Over the past 15 yrs(most important)I have had the
privilege to own this fine automobile.However,things
have changed now and I must move on.
-Mfd: Nov.81'
-5 spd. Gray Interior.
-28.0 K. miles.
-General condition:VVG/EXC.
-Solid runner,has received annual maintenance thru
myself, fellow members of the Delorean Midwest Conn.
and Don Steger.
-Some of the updates of past 2yrs;A/C sys,Brakes,incl
new Master Cyl,Cooling Sys.incl all new hoses and
belts,all Struts replaced,Braided Clutchline,
Trailing Arm Bolts etc.
-Very few modifications,can be made stock with little
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-A buy at $17,500. Remember,"YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR"
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It's starting to take on the overtones of a religious war. This is similar
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My Father needs to get his DeLorean mechanically repaired, coolant problem. He lives in Santa Maria California, near Santa Barbara. Does anyone out there know where the closest facility would be. His car has been sitting in the garage for a
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>My Father needs to get his DeLorean mechanically
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Date: 26-Jun-99 14:33:35 -0400
In the June 21 1999 edition of "Automotive News" Edward Lapham the executive
editor of this mag. has a JZD article in the comment section, DeLorean
sports-car saga ends; a dream that died in courtrooms. page 14
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<excerpt> I know that the angle drive works (until you hook up the speedo
cable) I know that the plastic cap is attached firmly to the spindle.
Could someone please tell me what I'm missing? Any help would be greatly
appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Duke
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hello Duke,
Yep I can help, I have gone through half a dozen angle drives and had
your exact problem.
The problem is most likely the lubricant in the drive cables or the
bushing in the angle drive. The angle drive can seam fine when not all
cinched up and connected, but when there is any angular force on it, the
worm gear can get very tight.
So hear is what I did to solve the problem.
1. Flushed out all the old lubricant from both the upper and lower drive
cables.
(this takes quite a bit of effort, you must clean all the old dry thick
grease out of the cable outer sheath and out of the inner drive spring
- most failures are of the twisted out or rusty drive cable, next spun
out plastic drive cup hole, and finally damaged or sheared worm or
sprocket gear. All of which are the result of binding of the drive
spring)
2. Used white lithium grease for the replacement lubricant.
(others will telly to use a verity of greases, I tried several always
with the same results, twisted broken drive spring cables and ripped
out angle drive gears. Once I used the lithium the failures stopped)
3. Got an angle drive bracket from PJ Grady.
You can get this unit from DMC Houston as well.
4. Reinstalled the whole speedo system using the lithium on every
thing.
Don't force any thing, use finger power to ensure that each drive
spring cable snaps in to the square drive holes in the Lambda counter
and the drive cup (goes on wheel)
5. Install the speedo cable bracket with the cable running through the
loop in the cable bracket. I used two heavy duty black plastic
hand cuffs to secure the
speedo cable to the bracket so that there will be no shearing forces
on the angle drive housing.
6. Replaced the white plastic drive cup with grease in the square
hole.
Unless the one you have is new, get a new one and save the old one as a
back-up. Weakened nylon can not be detected by eye, it just will get
soft and start letting the drive spring cable spin.
7. Tested by hand spinning the wheel with tire installed using a mirror
to watch the speedometer.
While the whole speedo inner spring cable should be free, it is
almost impossible to test with the wheel off. Putting the wheel on and
spinning will tell you that all connections are made.
I am sure there are other ways to do this, but the above worked for me.
My last cable has now lasted almost a year.
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Duke,
Look inside the plastic cap. Is it still square or is it rounded off. If it
is not true square than this maybe your problem.
Bruce Battles
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I know the speedo cable isn't bad. I know that the speedometer is turning from the cable. I know that the angle drive works (until you hook up the speedo cable) I know that the plastic cap is attached firmly to the spindle. Could some
Duke,
You have a lower cable running from the angle drive to the lamba counter. Then another cable goes from it to the speedometer. If they'r attached properly and not broken and the angle drive is working properly, that is both the lower speed
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I know the speedo cable isn't bad. I
know that the speedometer is turning from the cable. I know that the
angle drive works (until you hook up the speedo cable) I know that the
plastic cap is attached firmly to the spindle. Could someone please tell
me what I'm missing? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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<DIV><FONT size=2>You have a lower cable running from the angle drive to the
lamba counter. Then another cable goes from it to the speedometer. If they'r
attached properly and not broken and the angle drive is working properly, that
is both the lower speedometer cable and the short cable running through the
spindle to the pastic cap are in tact and turning free, then the problem must
be related to the plastic cap. Sometimes adding a bit of foam tape to the
outside of the plastic cap will assure proper contact between the cap and the
front wheel to assure nothing is slipping. The square hole in the cap must be
square and not rounded out. It's all physics, if everything is connected and
not broke, it has to work!</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: [DML] DMC in Hawaii???
Date: 26-Jun-99 19:25:42 -0400
HI
I'll be in Maui for the next week and was wondering if there are any DeLorean
owners there. I know about one on Oahu but I have never heard of one on Maui.
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Subject: [DML] Painted DeLorean pictures
Date: 26-Jun-99 18:53:32 -0700
About a month ago I spotted a painted Delorean for sale in the San Diego
area. This was the first (and so far only) painted DeLorean that I have
seen in person.. Fortunately, I had my camera with me so I took a few
pictures of the car which are posted on my web site. Below is the link to
the pictures
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Information about the car is posted on my site with the pictures
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Subject: [DML] Parking Brake Adjustment
Date: 26-Jun-99 23:40:12 -0400
Well, I adjusted my emergency, parking, break without any help,
unfortunately.
When you take off the wheel there are two adjustment points. Choose the
large
slot head screw with rhe cotter pin! Its a no brainer. Don't play
with the
two nut adjustment on the cable! Remove the cotter pin and screw in the
slot
head screw untill the rotor won't turn. Then back off the screw where
the
rotor will JUST turn. Mabye not too freely. Then put in the cotter pin
or
back off the screw until the cotter pin will fall in the screw head
slot.
Replace the cotter pin. Do both sides, your done. An hour or so.
If you touch the brake cable adjustment on the break cable, two nuts on
either
side of a bracket, and remove the peg on the end of the cable from the
arm, WHEN REPLACING THE NUT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PEG, DO NOT OVER
TIGHTEN THE LOCK NUT! IT WILL BREAK OFF THE BOTTOM OF THE PEG!
And turn a 1 hour job into a 6 hour job. Actually another 10 hour job
to fix the peg. Or you could buy a new cable, but that's got to be $100
-
$200+ ? for a new cable, plus hours to install. DON'T DO IT!!!!
The cotter pin - slot screw is simple.
Don't take out the end of the cable from the bracket.
There is some self-adjusting mechanism in the parking break bracket, but
it obvisouly dosen't work, hense the need to adjust the parking break.
Mine now holds solidly at about 3 clicks on the parking break. It
passed the
safety check in Connecticut easily after this ajustment.
If you're doing this and need some help, call me at (203) 377-7551
(home). I'm an engineer. Or (203) 783-2729 8-5 (work) EDT
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Subject: [DML] DeLorean on VH1!
Date: 26-Jun-99 23:51:00 -0500
Hi DMLers! I was watching VH1 the other day when they aired a commercial
for
the "Pop-Up Video 80's" video when I saw a D. It was a 1-second shot of
a
DMC turning a corner with the sunlight gleaming off of the panels, with
one of
those "pop-up" balloons pointing at it (I didn't catch what was inside).
Have any
of you ever seen this particular video? I doubt that it was the video
that "dissed"
the DeLorean, based on the placement of the camera to get that shot.
Does
anyone know of any other music videos that showcase a D?
Thanks, Rob
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean on VH1!
Date: 27-Jun-99 2:28:04 -0400
The DeLorean is not in a music video, however it is in one of the infobites
in an episode of "Pop Up Video." The episode was "Pop Up Video 1980's Cars"
and the DeLorean was NOT put down in any way, however their information on
the car was (as usual) not completely accurate. They played a soundbite of
JZD with Christina talking about the car prior to its debut.
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Subject: [DML] delorean light switch
Date: 27-Jun-99 0:01:50 -0700
i am now the proud owner of Delorean # 4512!!!! i picked it up today in Wisconson, drove it back to michigan with no problem...except one. my light "switch", or should i say button needed to be pressed really fast in order to say on. afte
Erik Geerdink
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Subject: [DML] Re: Oil
Date: 27-Jun-99 3:36:53 -0700
Interesting to note though, my 95 Corvette (and all newer ones) come with Mobil 1
oil. Additionally, GM thought enough of the oil to make it a warranty
requirement.
Steve Brodsky 82 Delorean #10688, 75 Bricklin #1509
Ann & Ed Thompson wrote:
> > Also, does anyone have experience with synthetics, pro or con? Any
> > recommendations?
>
> I have read numerous articles (including Consumer's Report) that synthetics
> are nowhere near worth the cost. The key is changing the oil at least as
> frequently as recommended. Oil does not wear out. It gets contaminated
> with acids and dirt. Synthetics get contaminated just like the real stuff.
> Using "regular" oil, you could change it 2 or 3 times more often than the
> recommended interval and STILL save money over using synthetics. Please
> don't take this wrong. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with synthetics
> except the price. It has been argued that synthetics have better lubricating
> qualities but how much better has never really been scientifically quantified.
> Just claims. I ran a Mercedes over 300,000 miles using "regular" oil. If I
> had been using synthetics I would have spent hundreds and hundreds (maybe
> thousands?) of dollars more over the years just for oil. When I sold the car
> it was still running fine on "cheap" oil.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Thompson (#6419)
> Midlothian, VA
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Subject: [DML] Re: Cleaning up after clutch master cylinder leak.
Date: 27-Jun-99 9:42:50 -0700
In-reply-to: <16639A56>.24a27d54
<16639a56.24a27d5-@aol.com> wrote:
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> I just had the slave cylinder & master clutch cylinder replaced. I'm
> concerned as to the old fluid damaging areas it leaked on. The master was
> the leaking component (the slave was ok, but I had it changed). Fluid was
> running down from behind the brake pedal onto the carpeting.
>
> Any suggestions on what areas I should clean or check? If so, what should I
> use to clean these areas, etc?
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!!!
>
> mATT
>
I just got my D about 2 months ago and it had the same problem and the master clutch cylinder was probably leaking on the drivers side carpet for a long, long time from the look of things. It was so bad that I was getting a rash everytime
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Subject: [DML] delorean radio
Date: 27-Jun-99 16:47:03 -0700
does the radio have an internal fuse? my radio went out yesterday and all the fuses are good, but the radio still doesnt work. i plan on getting a new radio put in, but not for a month or so...i want my tunes! thanks for the help...this
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Subject: [DML] Re: Please Help Me - Wisconsin Owners...
Date: 27-Jun-99 20:26:24 -0500
Jeff - I use a shop in Rochester MN called The Automen. Very
knowledgeable with the car and reasonably priced. It's not
quite Madison, but if you can't find anyone else...
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Subject: [DML] Re: Repair shops in California
Date: 27-Jun-99 20:31:02 -0500
Lynda - DeLorean One is the closest repair facility to you.
Check out http://www.deloreanone.com
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Subject: [DML] Repair shops in California
My Father needs to get his DeLorean mechanically repaired, coolant problem. He
lives in Santa Maria California, near Santa Barbara. Does anyone out there know
where the closest facility would be. His car has been sitting in the garage for
about 4 years collecting dust, (what a shame) waiting to be repaired.
Can someone help? Lynda Colvin lcolvin7@gte.net Thank You!
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Subject: [DML] headlight switch
Date: 27-Jun-99 19:12:15 -0700
i was wondering if anybody has an extra headlamp/parkinglight button. my broke and i want to drive at night. please let me know how much i would be too. i've checked DMC houston and theres are pretty expensive. a used one would be nice.
erik geerdink
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Subject: [DML] Re: delorean radio
Date: 27-Jun-99 19:57:23 -0700
There are two in line fuses external of the radio, under the instrument
panel. You do not have to take anything out to reach them but you almost
need to stand on your head. Believe it or not, my D had NO fuses in these
lines from the factory! The original owner did not care when the radio did
not work and never bothered to have it fixed. I am not a radio nut either
(due to poor hearing mainly) and never run radios, but wanted everything
working, so had it checked. The tech found the empty fuse containers. When
replaced it came to life for the first time since it left Ireland!
Murray Vin: 05962 Lic: DMX-XII
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Date: 27-Jun-99 22:27:00 -0500
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean on VH1!
Date: 28-Jun-99 0:21:29 -0400
There is an R&B or rap video by a pair of artists called '2 brothers on the
4th floor'. The DeLorean was very prominent throughout much of the video,
including an interesting shot from above with a boy lying on the roof,
closing both doors with his arms. I believe the song was called Dream or
Dreams (?).
-Sean
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> From: Robert Greenhaw <deloreandude@juno.com>
> Subject: [DML] DeLorean on VH1!
>
> Hi DMLers! I was watching VH1 the other day when they aired a commercial
> for the "Pop-Up Video 80's" video when I saw a D. It was a 1-second shot
of
> a DMC turning a corner with the sunlight gleaming off of the panels, with
> one of those "pop-up" balloons pointing at it (I didn't catch what was
inside).
> Have any of you ever seen this particular video? I doubt that it was the
video
> that "dissed" the DeLorean, based on the placement of the camera to get
that shot.
> Does anyone know of any other music videos that showcase a D?
>
> Thanks, Rob
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 28-Jun-99 1:01:18 -0400
David,
You said:
"When I disconnected the black wire, which was the one on the bottom of the
switch, the car did NOT rev up but started surging".
Here is the next test: Repeat the same test as above but disconnect the
black / green wire at the idle speed micro switch and let me know what
happens.
You also said:
"Ok, now I pulled out my DeLorean wiring diagram and I see two
microswitches, items 151 & 152. My car only has one. Ones located at 8B
and the other is located at 9D on the diagram. At Idle Speed Relay #108
I see a diode #25 in this circuit. Where is that diode located in the
car???"
The wiring legend location chart you are looking at is incorrect. Item 151
is the idle speed motor microswitch; that is correct. The misprint for item
152 incorrect, it should say "idle speed thermistor". This component is
located out of sight under the intake manifold. The diode is located
in the electrical compartment behind the drivers seat.
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> >
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Subject: [DML] Re: delorean light switch
Date: 28-Jun-99 1:10:17 -0400
Erik,
Pull the black button cover off the switch and see what happens. If the
switch works OK the plastic cover may be slightly warped preventing the
switch from operating properly. If this is the case try spraying the inside
of the cover before placing it back over the button. If after taking the
cover off the switch still sticks you will have to replace it. The switch
is part number 108388 and is available from all of the DeLorean parts
suppliers.
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> From: delorean502@excite.com
> To: dmcnews@eGroups.com
> Subject: [DML] delorean light switch
> Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:01 AM
>
> i am now the proud owner of Delorean # 4512!!!! i picked it up today in
Wisconson, drove it back to michigan with no problem...except one. my
light "switch", or should i say button needed to be pressed really fast in
order to say on. after doing this a couple times the button got stuck and
the parking lights stayed on and i couldnt move the button to turn the
normal lights on. i had to drive 15 miles with my brights pushed on to get
back home in the dark. i was wondering if anybody knows what i should do
to solve this problem. does it require a new button? if so where do i get
it? i have many more questions, but i will ask them later.
FINALLY...after watching this DML for the past 3 years i can finally post
my own problem and have you all listen to them!!! what a great feeling.
thanks for you help
>
> Erik Geerdink
> VIN# 4512 YES!!!! FINALLY!!!
> Plates- either "88MPH" or "eggs d" (i havent decided yet)
>
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Subject: [DML] Re: delorean radio
Date: 28-Jun-99 1:23:18 -0400
erik,
The radio has two inline glass fuses located on top of the transmission
tunnel directly below the radio. The fuse you are looking for has a green /
white wire leading from the fuse to the wire harness.
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> From: delorean502@excite.com
> To: dmcnews@eGroups.com
> Subject: [DML] delorean radio
> Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 7:47 PM
>
> does the radio have an internal fuse? my radio went out yesterday and
all the fuses are good, but the radio still doesnt work. i plan on getting
a new radio put in, but not for a month or so...i want my tunes! thanks
for the help...this DML ROCKS!!!
>
> erik geerdink
>
> vin# 4512
> Plate: "eggs d"
>
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Subject: [DML] vacum advance
Date: 28-Jun-99 5:12:26 -0700
i just got my delorean about 2 months ago. i took the entire gas system down and relaced just about every thing. the car had been sitting for 10 years in someones garage and the fuel had turned into schalack. but put it all back together
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Subject: [DML] Re: Looking For modified radio plate.
Date: 28-Jun-99 8:39:39 -0400
I sent mail to 3 e-mail addresses I have for steve, with no reply...
Maybe James can check this out now??
With the time difference, I always forget to call during the day. I
make most of my personal calls in the early morning.
steve brodsky wrote:
>
> call steve wynne at dmc. i provided him with a design for a cut-out with an
> added reinforcing bar that works very well with my 82 and an alpine cd. he
> can make you a new complete panel.
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> steve brodsky delorean #10688, bricklin #1509
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> Marc A Levy wrote:
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> >
> > Does anyone have a plate that is already cut, that they don't need?
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> > I know there are some modern radios that will fit without cutting, but I
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Subject: [DML] Re: delorean light switch
Date: 28-Jun-99 8:56:58 -0400
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> i am now the proud owner of Delorean # 4512!!!! i picked it up today in Wisconson, drove it back to michigan with no problem...except one. my light "switch", or should i say button needed to be pressed really fast in order to say on. af
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Subject: [DML] DML: Mid-Ohio Raceway (humorous ending)
Date: 28-Jun-99 11:34:29 -0400
A bunch of the DCO folks spent the weekend at Mid-Ohio Raceway for the
British Car Showdown and Concourse. All weekend long they held vintage
car races, and we got to see a wide variety of competition, from old
Formula One cars to retired NASCAR racers, compete for awards. To
defeat the 90 degree heat our eight DeLoreans found a spot on the
infield under a big, shady tree.
At Saturday's showdown we saw a lot of wonderful British cars.
Nautrally our DeLoreans were the hits of the show. At Sunday's All
Marque Concourse we saw a pair of Renault Alpines (DeLorean cousins)
including one from Cincinatti (att. Ken Koncelik: this guy also has a
DeLorean and he says he knows you . . . both of his cars would look good
next year in Cleveland).
The best parts of the weekend were the parade laps around the race
track. Not only was it a lot of fun to drive, but the sight of our
DeLoreans rounding banked turns provided us with great photo
opportunities.
HUMOROUS ENDING:
During Saturday's British Car Showdown my wife, Patti, and I visited the
vendor's area. We saw a huge variety of British car parts, but alas, no
DeLorean left front fenders. We dropped by an automotive book dealer
with a huge display of books on Jaguar, MG, Austin, Lagonda, etc.. His
collection was extensive and many of the books were quite old. As I
browsed, Patti spoke to the vendor.
Patti: "Excuse me, sir. Do you have any books about DeLoreans?"
Vendor: "DeLoreans? Now there's an interesting car! There have been a
few books about DeLoreans and I keep them all in stock in my shop. But
I didn't bring any of my DeLorean books today. For your information,
young lady, this is a *British* car show!"
Me: "(Uh-oh!) Would you like a lemonade, dear?"
I could tell that guy came within ten seconds of getting the front clip
of an Austin-Healey shoved up his nose.
- Mike Substelny
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Subject: [DML] Must see Website
Date: 28-Jun-99 8:36:33 -0700
To all DML members,
I welcome you to my completely redone website. There are no
advertisements, the site includes never before seen pictures from
Cincinnati, custom Deloreans, articles, Delorean Quiz, and even
undercarriage pictures of my Delorean.
I promise you enjoyment, this site caters to every Delorean lovers
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Subject: [DML] Overheating
Date: 28-Jun-99 12:41:08 -0400
HELP- On Saturday, I was driving my D and stopped to get gas. I had the A/C
running on maximum when I noticed that there was smoke coming from the
passenger side of my car. I quickly drove out of the gas line and up the
street where I had room to pull over. When I got out of my car (I left it
running) I looked around for smoke or any signs of coolant leaking from my
car. I didn't notice any, so I decided to go back to the gas station. Just as
I pulled onto the road, I noticed my temperature guage was pegged at the
highest mark. I quickly turned into a parking lot and turned it off. Aftert
waiting about 15 minutes, I started it up and drove home (about 1 mile away).
Just as I got on the road, I noticed the temperature was just at the red
mark, but it quickly went down to 220F, then it went to normal. When I got
home, I left it idle in the garage, then bleed the radiator. I got some air
out of the radiator but noticed that the fans weren't coming on. When I
checked the temp, it was again at the highest mark. I turned it off and left
it for a while. When I came back, I opened the coolant bottle and checked the
level, it was OK. I just replaced the temperature sending unit about 4 months
ago and have never had a problem like this. What can I do? Why didn't the
fans come on? Why did it overheat even with the A/C on and those same fans
running? Could I have a broken water pump? HELP...Please!!!
Joshua Schwartz
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Date: 28-Jun-99 18:52:47 -0400
Sounds like you have the "Air In The Coolant System Blues".
Just a little air in the system will cause the fans not to come on. ( They
should still come on when the AC is on.) A small pocket of air in the system
will cause the coolant not to circulate. The coolant in the engine will then
over heat and steam, not smoke, will come out of the over flow hose that is
attached to the reservoir tank. This is most likely is what you seen coming
from the passenger side in the engine compartment.
If the water pump was bad most likely there would be coolant coming from the
water pump weep hole.
Bleed the coolant system removing all the air and have the system pressure
checked for leaks. Most shops can pressure check the system, as it is the
same procedure that is done on every car that I can think of with a
radiator, except that the tester is connected to the reservoir tank in our
case.
Keep the dream alive and be safe,
Robert Starling
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Subject: [DML] DML on ebay
Date: 28-Jun-99 21:06:07 -0400
Hi All,
Stainless Steel Decal labels for under hood/trunk
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Date: 28-Jun-99 21:53:23 -0400
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Date: 28-Jun-99 21:38:54 -0500
Dave,
I got another hotmail bounce message today. I also had someone trying to
unsubscribe. I tried going to the web site but it asked for a pass word
which I don't have. I sent him a note telling him how to send a blank email
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Subject: [DML] Re: vacuum advance
Date: 29-Jun-99 1:55:27 -0400
Tommy,
The DeLorean vacuum advance units rarely go bad.
Check the following first:
vacuum hose routing
vacuum solenoid wiring & operation
idle speed micto switch
Yes, there is a way to remove the distributor w/o removing the intake
manifold.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
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> From: trusso@entrnet.net
> To: dmcnews@eGroups.com
> Subject: [DML] vacum advance
> Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 8:12 AM
>
> i just got my delorean about 2 months ago. i took the entire gas system
down and relaced just about every thing. the car had been sitting for 10
years in someones garage and the fuel had turned into schalack. but put it
all back together again and it started right up. but i had no power, so i
removed the hose of the vacum advancement and boom full or great power. is
there any way to take off the distrubiter cap and distrubiter without
taking off the fuel distrubiter? is the vacum advance replaceable? thanks
tommy vin#5772
>
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Subject: [DML] Re: Overheating
Date: 29-Jun-99 2:09:29 -0400
Joshua,
Your problem sounds like air trapped in the cooling lines. You may not be
air bleeding the system properly.
Try this test. Start the engine (AC off ) and let it idle, as the
temperature rises the cooling fans should turn on before the temperature
gauge reaches 220. The fans should run continuously. Within one minute
after the fans turn on the temperature should begin to drop. If the
temperature continues to rise past the 220 mark rev or gun the engine six
to eight times, if the temperature begins to drop there is trapped air in
the coolant lines. Let me know what happens.
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> To: dmcnews@egroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Overheating
> Date: Monday, June 28, 1999 12:41 PM
>
> HELP- On Saturday, I was driving my D and stopped to get gas. I had the
A/C
> running on maximum when I noticed that there was smoke coming from the
> passenger side of my car. I quickly drove out of the gas line and up the
> street where I had room to pull over. When I got out of my car (I left it
> running) I looked around for smoke or any signs of coolant leaking from
my
> car. I didn't notice any, so I decided to go back to the gas station.
Just as
> I pulled onto the road, I noticed my temperature gauge was pegged at the
> highest mark. I quickly turned into a parking lot and turned it off.
Aftert
> waiting about 15 minutes, I started it up and drove home (about 1 mile
away).
> Just as I got on the road, I noticed the temperature was just at the red
> mark, but it quickly went down to 220F, then it went to normal. When I
got
> home, I left it idle in the garage, then bleed the radiator. I got some
air
> out of the radiator but noticed that the fans weren't coming on. When I
> checked the temp, it was again at the highest mark. I turned it off and
left
> it for a while. When I came back, I opened the coolant bottle and checked
the
> level, it was OK. I just replaced the temperature sending unit about 4
months
> ago and have never had a problem like this. What can I do? Why didn't the
> fans come on? Why did it overheat even with the A/C on and those same
fans
> running? Could I have a broken water pump? HELP...Please!!!
>
> Joshua Schwartz
> 001292
> CT.
>
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 29-Jun-99 8:29:15 -0400
>
> Looking for an top quality DMC for under 15k.
>
Not at all likely unless it's someone that doesn't know
what they have. And with a DeLorean that's not likely
either.
I have what you are looking for but my asking price is $25K OBO. I have a 1981 DMC-12,
stainless finish, gray interior
and auto trans.
With 9,850 miles (documented and guaranteed), this car is
more than top quality, it's mint. Since 1982 kept covered
in a heated garage. Exercised regularly. Never been in
rain or snow. With a minimum of spit and polish this car
could easily be at least a 99 point concours show car.
At the asking price I will include shipping to anywhere in
the contiguous 48 states. I will arrange shipping to
anywhere else in the world for an additional nominal fee.
If there ever were a "top quality" D out there for sale for
under $15K you can bet that a dealer somewhere would snap
it up immediately for resale.
Happy hunting! (BTW, time is NOT on your side.)
Regards,
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Subject: [DML] DMC-12
Date: 29-Jun-99 14:45:06 +0200
I already read a lot of the DeLorean but one question is unanswered.
DMC-12, what is the meaning of the "12" if there is a meaning?
Thilo Skursch, Germany
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Subject: [DML] Re: Killing the oil thread too
Date: 29-Jun-99 6:34:01 -0700
In-reply-to: <001201BEBFED79E4>1e20$8dace5cf
<001201bebfed$79e41e20$8dace5c-@default> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=1158
> It's starting to take on the overtones of a religious war. This is similar
> to DOT4 vs Synthetic brake Fluid arguments. Each has benefits, drawbacks,
> and believers. Feel free to correspond directly/privately with each other.
>
>
>
I thought the synthetic Vs regular oil thread was very informative and I
Wouldn't mind if it continued. I think that the real question is not if synthetic oil is good
(I think that has been established) but if synthetic oil is a good value( which I'm still not sure of).
I learned a few new things about synthetic oil here and isn't that what this DMC news is all about?
I think the vast majority of DMC owners are trying to do the best job we can preserving
And maintaining our "D" cars and unfortunately most of us have finite financial resources
thus this is a viable topic in my opinion.
Mike D.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Overheating
Date: 29-Jun-99 8:48:51 -0500
Joshua,
I think you may either have air trapped in the system or a bad thermostat.
If you need details on how to get the air out of the system, you can go to
my webpage for details.(under tech tips) You need to bleed the system from
the bleed screw located on the thermostat housing. Also, pressure test the
system. It should hold 15 psi for 15 minutes. If it doesn't, start looking
under the car for coolant escaping. If your thermostat is bad, water will
not get to the left side of the engine where the temperature switch is and
the fans will not come on. When the car is heating up, feel the pipe on the
left side of the engine compartment. If its scalding hot, then water is
getting to that side. (you'll know) Another thing you could do is to jump
the wires going to the thermal switch. This will make the fans run
constant. If your D cools with the fans running constant, you could have
another bad temperature switch.
Hope this helps,
Duke
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Subject: [DML] Overheating
What can I do? Why didn't the
> fans come on? Why did it overheat even with the A/C on and those same fans
> running? Could I have a broken water pump? HELP...Please!!!
>
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> 001292
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Subject: [DML] SS Label Kits
Date: 29-Jun-99 10:59:52 -0400
The stainless steel label kits referred to on the DML, which are being
sold on E-bay are being offered by a fellow Delorean owner by the name of
Russ Ohlin. These kits are composed of stainless steel reproductions of all
the vinyl labels found thru out the car. They are brushed SS, acid etched and
baked enamel lettered. These are some of the best pieces I've ever seen and
can vouch for the fact that these are extremely top quality. Matter of fact,
these pieces are so nice, I'm not going to put them on my car, but frame them
and put them on display.
If you're interested in these you can view them and/or bid on them thru
E-bay or contact Russ at ozone@gte.net for more information. Tell him you're
a DML member.
I've got no connection to Russ or these kits, just wanted everyone to know
these are extremely nice quality pieces.
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Date: 29-Jun-99 8:49:21 -0700
Over the winter I noticed the A/C didn't seem to blow cold. Now I KNOW it doesn't! Any thoughts as to where to look? In trying to evaluate electrical problems first, I noticed that the red wire to the compressor is bundled with a white/o
Last week I took a 1000 mile round trip to Potsdam NY, my first *long* trip in the D since I've owned it. Luckily the weather was COOL! I smiled the entire trip.
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Date: 29-Jun-99 18:18:40 -0400
I am going to be charging my A/C soon. But first I want to replace the dryer. I know there is an aftermarket application for it. Could someone please tell me what it is (part number if possible) and where I can get it? Thanks. ---Dan
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Date: 29-Jun-99 18:34:14 -0400
Mike,
You're right when you said: "I learned a few new things about synthetic oil
here and isn't that what this DMC news is all about?"
Yes, but when a subject becomes generic and lengthily it should end to
leave room for DeLorean related items. I for one appreciate the moderator
ending this thread. The synthetic oil subject can be discussed in depth at
many other places on the web.
BTW if you check the archives you will find that this subject has been
discussed several times before.
Keep up your fine comments.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning
Date: 29-Jun-99 19:10:58 -0400
If your AC is not cooling the first item to check is the cycling of the
compressor. If you are low on freon the compressor will cycle on and off
every 5 to 7 seconds or less. If your freon level is very low the
compressor will not cycle at all. The white/orange wire should be connected
to the oil pressure warning light sender.
Unfortunately a wire code was never documented for the DeLorean electrical
system. Additionally N:10:13 has no ID's for the legends.
FYI # 9 is the compressor # 7 is the low pressure cut off switch and # 8
is the high pressure cut off switch.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
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> From: rsrodgers@home.com
> To: dmcnews@eGroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Air Conditioning
> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:49 AM
>
> Over the winter I noticed the A/C didn't seem to blow cold. Now I KNOW
it doesn't! Any thoughts as to where to look? In trying to evaluate
electrical problems first, I noticed that the red wire to the compressor is
bundled with a white/orange wire that goes NO WHERE. Should it? Looking at
figure 95 of the Workshop manual (section N:10:13) didn't help much! Can
anyone tell me the wire color code & where to find the lookup for the
numbers next to various parts? I'm guessing #9 is the compressor, but what
are switches #7 & #8 ?
>
> Last week I took a 1000 mile round trip to Potsdam NY, my first *long*
trip in the D since I've owned it. Luckily the weather was COOL! I smiled
the entire trip.
>
> Thanx,
> Bob
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Enrichment Circuit
Date: 29-Jun-99 19:25:36 -0400
Hey Joe,
Ok, I need to clarify here. The wire color I had pulled off the bottom of the micro-switch was actually a purple color not black.
The black/green wire is the wire connected towards the top of the micro-switch. Ok, now I pulled the black/green wire from the
micro-switch and the car started to run a little rough and surge, no rev up. Same result as removing the other wire previously.
DMC Joe wrote:
> David,
> You said:
> "When I disconnected the black wire, which was the one on the bottom of the
> switch, the car did NOT rev up but started surging".
> Here is the next test: Repeat the same test as above but disconnect the
> black / green wire at the idle speed micro switch and let me know what
> happens.
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 29-Jun-99 19:37:38 -0400
Hi there 25k is too much. I have researched well and all dealers know that
for a mint DMC the going rate is $15,000. I have found a brand new DMC from
1981 that has never been titled. It still has factory plastic, and it is only
20,000. Anything above 15k is too too much.
Sincerely,
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Subject: [DML] SS Label Kits
Date: 29-Jun-99 19:45:45 -0400
Hey List,
I also saw these labels on the ebay site so I decided to e-mail Russ
directly and ask him if he wanted to sell them to me privately. He agreed
and I got them on thursday. They look great, I just can't wait to sell my
delorean then buy another one and put them on my car. I am going to see if
PJ Grady would put them on for me.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning
Date: 29-Jun-99 19:55:54 -0400
Hi Bob,
Since I had my engine open anyway I looked at my AC wires. The red AC compressor wire joins up with the white/orange wire from the oil pressure sender at the rear of the AC compressor. The oil pressure sender is located on the engine left r
rsrodgers@home.com wrote:
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Subject: [DML] DMC-12 (12 ?????)
Date: 29-Jun-99 19:34:55 -0500
thilo skursch wrote:
> I already read a lot of the DeLorean but one question is unanswered.
> DMC-12, what is the meaning of the "12" if there is a meaning?
I too have often wondered where the 12 came from - anyone ?? No speculation please.
The Silver Fox
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Subject: [DML] Re: DMC-12
Date: 30-Jun-99 2:06:25 +0100
The most common answer is that John DeLorean originally intended his car to be
sold for $12,000, although when it went to production the price was closer to
$26,000 I believe.
I read somewhere he also had a DeLorean bus on the drawing board, the DMC-80 -
$80,000 perhaps?
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> I already read a lot of the DeLorean but one question is unanswered.
> DMC-12, what is the meaning of the "12" if there is a meaning?
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 29-Jun-99 18:11:33 -0700
$15,000 will provide you with a good driver's DeLorean. The very good
and excellent road cars are priced 13-17k. If you are looking for a car
in collector's condition or even concours, you will probably have to go
17-25k. There is a standardized scale of rating car quality. It uses
numbers 1 though 6 to describe increasing car value. A one is a parts
car. A 6 is a concours car. I would rate my DeLorean at a 4 or 5, and
I paid 14,000. This means that the vehicle is decent enough to win an
occasional prize in a show, but lacks those little things that prevent
it from the 100-point mark. Good luck hunting and never give up.
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Subject: [DML] Re: DMC-12
Date: 29-Jun-99 20:37:54 -0500
> I already read a lot of the DeLorean but one question is unanswered.
> DMC-12, what is the meaning of the "12" if there is a meaning?
>
> Thilo Skursch, Germany
>
The answer to your question is very simple. DeLorean wanted to build the
best car but at a price the average man could afford. Thus, he wanted to
create a $12k car named the DMC 12.
They ran into many problems building the cars and deadlines that caused them
to have to spend more money, but the twelve in DMC 12 stood for the price
they were aiming to sell the car for.
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 29-Jun-99 21:10:52 -0500
Standard auction condition ratings is just the opposite, Ben.
From Sports Car Market magazine:
1: National Concours standard / perfect
2:Very Good, club concours, some small flaws
3:Average daily driver in decent condition
4:Still a driver but with some apparent flaws
5:A nasty beast that runs but has many problems
6:a non-running car in wretched physical condition
that is probably good only good for parts.
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
$15,000 will provide you with a good driver's DeLorean. The very good
and excellent road cars are priced 13-17k. If you are looking for a car
in collector's condition or even concours, you will probably have to go
17-25k. There is a standardized scale of rating car quality. It uses
numbers 1 though 6 to describe increasing car value. A one is a parts
car. A 6 is a concours car. I would rate my DeLorean at a 4 or 5, and
I paid 14,000. This means that the vehicle is decent enough to win an
occasional prize in a show, but lacks those little things that prevent
it from the 100-point mark. Good luck hunting and never give up.
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Subject: [DML] SS Kits
Date: 29-Jun-99 19:35:42 -0700
Just to confirm,
These kits are absolutely stunning. I received mine about a week ago,
and I can't wait to put them on. Check out Ebay for the current set
being auctioned.
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Subject: [DML] Re: Killing the oil thread too
Date: 29-Jun-99 22:39:30 -0400
Guess this is my fault for asking for an opinion or experience. I also want
to preserve my D as much as possible on a finite budget, (still hoping for
that 10-car climate-controlled garage one day<G>). I appreciate everyone's
opinions that were shared both on-list and off. Now I guess I need to find
one of those special tools for the drain plug. Anyone have one for sale? Was
this part of the tool kits that came with the cars? Mine didn't have one :^(
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Subject: [DML] DMC Site
Date: 29-Jun-99 22:50:34 -0400
Hi All
A pal found some DL pics you may have seen this site but for those who
havent
http://www.in2time.com/gallery.htm#bigjob
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Subject: [DML] small tranny leak
Date: 29-Jun-99 19:55:17 -0700
my tranny leaks a little, on average 5-6 drops, after i drive it. if it is just sitting there for a day or so, it wont drip. is there some kind of sealent that i can put on it to stop the leaks? i would hate to have to rip the engine out
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Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning
Date: 29-Jun-99 23:07:33 -0400
Dear DML,
I had my A/C worked on in May. I have not been able to use the car
since and operated the A/C only when driving it home from the shop where it
was worked on. While testing it, the "Cooling Fan Fail" light would come on
every 5-7 seconds accompanied with a clicking noise. However the air was
very cold coming out the vents. Is this a sign of low freon as DMC Joe says?
I had asked the technicians if the freon level was okay and they said yes.
Have I been fooled? They also managed to mess up my headlights/parking
lights, they don't work anymore; except for the brights when I pull back on
the lever. Ideas for that one?
Thanks,
Darren Decker
#5000
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Subject: [DML] Re: DMC-12
Date: 29-Jun-99 20:54:48 -0700
According to "Stainless Steel Illusion"(or from what I can gather from SSI),
the "12" from "DMC-12" comes from the fact that John Delorean picked the
12th photo out of a group of photos submitted by Giugaro on styling designs
for his car. I could be mistaken of course. Does anyone else know for sure?
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Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 2:41 PM
Subject: [DML] DMC-12
>I already read a lot of the DeLorean but one question is unanswered.
>DMC-12, what is the meaning of the "12" if there is a meaning?
>
>Thilo Skursch, Germany
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Subject: [DML] Possible Door Lock Remedy??
Date: 29-Jun-99 21:07:18 -0700
Today I met with a DeLorean owner in San Diego, CA and he told me that he
had disconnected the fuse (or relay I can't remember which) responsible for
the electric door locking mechanism. The owner did this because he "Didn't
want to get locked in his car like Johnny Carson". The doors were able to
be locked and unlocked manually using the levers on each door while the
driver was inside the car.. When exiting the car, the key would have to be
used to lock the doors individually. Does this seem like a good solution
to prevent one from getting locked in their car (without spending the money
on new solenoids and a lockzilla) Has anyone else tried this? Please email
me and let me know
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 30-Jun-99 0:42:24 -0400
Ok, I hate to be rude but thats just bullcrap. Any 99point concours DeLorean,
either Black or Grey interior, 5-Speed or Automatic, should be held to the
highest standards possible. I believe Lee Seiler has had an idea before of
having all DeLorean owners start asking upwards of $30,000 for fine quality
DeLoreans, because the value of a collectors item, no matter what it is, is
simply how much the owners are willing to hold out for. **MOST** $15,000
DeLoreans that I have looked at in the past 4 years have atleast 25k miles
and are in fair condition (A3 or A4) For the gentleman with the concours
DeLorean for sale at $25,000, I wish you the best of luck. Please remember,
dreams do NOT come cheap.
Just my 2 cents,
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Date: 29-Jun-99 21:47:36 -0700
where is a good place to go to get new front shocks? are they very expensive or are they normal shocks? BTW: is it bad to cruize around town with one shock that is empty? mine lost all the stuff inside and needs to be replaced. i checke
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Date: 29-Jun-99 22:10:02 -0700
what is the best kind of manual tranny fluid that i should use?
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Date: 30-Jun-99 16:14:32 +1000
It was meant to retail for $12k in 1980. It actually hit the mrket at a higher price. My orginal recepit was $28k in 1981 August.
Greg
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thilo skursch wrote:
> I already read a lot of the DeLorean but one question is unanswered.
> DMC-12, what is the meaning of the "12" if there is a meaning?
I too have often wondered where the 12 came from - anyone ?? No speculation please.
The Silver Fox
Vin # 01149
Lic. # DMC 12
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Subject: [DML] New Owner
Date: 30-Jun-99 1:12:51 -0700
Greetings everyone,
I introduced myself to the list last week after watching carefully for
the better part of a year, learning all I could waiting for the day I
could join this group with a view from the inside looking out.
That day was today.
I purchased my '82, VIN# 10014, from Jim Hall here in Arizona. He was
the original owner, the car looks great, and I took over with a healthy
20,410 miles.
I'd like to thank you all for the wealth of help you have already
provided and will certainly provide in the future. The D deserves a
community like you guys.
I'd also like to thank James Espey, who came out and took a look at my
car with me before it was mine last month. After taking a look at the
car, James told me "you probably won't get a car that nice." That quote
sticks in my head today.
I put over 100 miles on the car on my first day with it, and everything
went well, with the exception of one thing: the steering wheel shook
considerably when I applied the brakes; the level of shakiness in direct
proportion to the amount of pressure applied to the brake. I hope it's
nothing more than a slight brake problem.
I look forward to getting together with the other local owners soon, and
meeting the rest of you sometime down the road (literally).
Ryan McCaffrey
VIN# 10014
Mesa, Arizona
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Date: 30-Jun-99 8:06:19 -0400
In a message dated 6/29/99 10:06:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
OutaTimeJT@aol.com writes:
<< Hi there 25k is too much. I have researched well and all dealers know that
for a mint DMC the going rate is $15,000. I have found a brand new DMC from
1981 that has never been titled. It still has factory plastic, and it is
only
20,000. Anything above 15k is too too much.
Sincerely,
--------------------------->Outatime >>
This is an inaccurate value estimate of DeLoreans in my opinion. If you know
of a "MINT" DeLorean for 15,000 let me know
gary
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Date: 30-Jun-99 9:04:30 -0400
> I already read a lot of the DeLorean but one question is unanswered.
> DMC-12, what is the meaning of the "12" if there is a meaning?
Conventional wisdom holds that the "DMC-12" was the twelfth incarnation
of the original concept that began as the Allstate-DeLorean DSV-1
(DeLorean Safety Vehicle). The designation DSV-12 was the final
fundamental design incarnation by Bill Collins that would later be
contracted out for production design to Ital Design of Turin, Italy,
owned by Giorgetto Giugiaro. DSV-12 was changed to DMC-12 when Allstate
pulled out of the project in 1974. At that time the target price of
DMC-12 was $7K (1974 dollars) and it was called the DMC-12 at that time.
The designation DMC-12 was finalized before Giugiaro got involved.
He started the production design in 1975.
For those of you that don't cater to conventional wisdom, consider this
possibility; stainless steel is 12 percent chromium.
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There was recent email about sourcing replacement keys. I can't find it. I think it said that a peugeut was a suitable substitute blank?
Thanx
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Date: 30-Jun-99 10:24:54 -0400
Dave,
Be aware that the following information was received through a reliable
source but we have never purchased or installed this unit ourselves.
Therefore we cannot guarantee the accuracy of this information.
The accumulator/dryer crosses over to an 84 Corvette post Vin 3468 GM #
1131411.
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Subject: [DML] A/C Dryer...
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:18 PM
I am going to be charging my A/C soon. But first I want to replace the
dryer. I know there is an aftermarket application for it. Could someone
please tell me what it is (part number if possible) and where I can get it?
Thanks. ---Dan
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Subject: [DML] Brown Stains on A Grey Dash
Date: 30-Jun-99 8:32:38 -0700
Quick question...
I have some brown stains on my grey dash. It is normally covered by a dashmat and looks fine but was wondering if anyone has ever been able to get these stains out. The rest of the dash is fine and looks great... no cracks etc..
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Subject: [DML] DMC for sale
Date: 30-Jun-99 12:22:11 -0400
Seeing people inquire about wanting decent DMC's, I have decided to sell
mine. The car runs great. Stats: '81, auto, black int., approx 30,000
miles. Price $16,500. Location: W. Pa.
A bit of history, the former (second) owner invested a huge sum of money
in restoring this car not long ago. Including his purchase price he
invested somewhere in the $30k range. This includes trucking it to DMC
in Houston for a restoration consisting of a complete new interior and
seats, the DeLorean notices, and also the updates i.e. hoses,
alternator, etc. Acccording to Warren at DMC, several thousand was spent
on that visit. Since I have owned it I have put close to three thousand
in it. For example, I had the engine gone over by a local volvo
mechanic, the warmup regulator replaced, and the air conditioning
completely revamped (almost a thousand spent on that). All the steel is
in great shape. It has the rare flap hood. Has new rear quarters
(scratches). The rear gray fiberglass repainted. New hella headlights
installed.
Reason for selling: I want a convertible or older porsche 911 and
cannot have two sports cars. If anyone has an 86 or newer vette conv.,
a 55-57 T-Bird, or a circa'87 - '89 (earlier if completely rebuilt)
porsche 911 let me know and I will consider a tax saving trade.
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 30-Jun-99 16:21:07 -0400
I have to disagree with you. Most dealers have little idea what a DeLorean
is worth. I bought my D from a dealer, and he sold it very reasonable
considering its low mileage, 6301, and excellent condition because he thought
parts were non-existent. Check out "Hemmings Motor News" to see what is
available and what individuals are asking. I think when you actually go and
see these cars that are described as "mint" for under $15000 you will be
sorely disappointed. Mint condition is one of those terms that people who
know very little about cars throw around to attract buyers. Beware and take
a hard look at a D before you buy it. If you think anything above $15000 is
too much for a D, check the latest NADA guide to classic and exotic cars. I
believe you'll be surprised.
I'd like to know who has a 0 mileage D still in the plastic for $20000.
Brian
VIN 1597
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Subject: [DML] Re: DMC-12
Date: 30-Jun-99 16:21:20 -0400
I read an account in one of the numerous DeLorean books that made it seem
like the car went through numerous badgings. The 12th version of the car was
the one that went into production. This is not to imply that it was the 12th
prototype as all of us know there were only 3 of those. I believe it was
William Haddad's book that addressed this and specifically refers to a DMC-10
and a DMC-11. Also, I thought $16000 was the target price for the DeLorean,
which still would have put it $3000 under the Corvette at the time.
I don't believe the bus would go for $80000. There was also a sedan in the
works, the DMC-24 and a truck, the DMC-44. I'm not sure where the numbers
came from for the truck and the bus. But it's hard to believe a pickup truck
would be priced at $44000 dollars in the mid to late 80's when it was
supposed to be released. If anyone knows about the badging for the truck and
sedan, I'd be interested in finding out.
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Subject: [DML] Insurance anyone?
Date: 30-Jun-99 23:18:17 +0100
Hello everyone!
The last time I submitted a message I had a fantastic response (about getting hold of a DeLorean in the UK), well now I have hit a rather large snag..insurance!
I have phoned or e-mailed every insurance company I know of and looked through classic car magazines for help, to no avail it would seem. The only company I can find to insure me was Sureterm and they quoted me ú1500 on a limited mileage, g
This is way beyond what I first imagined it would be! My 1994 Calibra Turbo (which is a group 18 insurance here in the UK) is only ú1000 (I am after all only 20 years old!) and I cannot justify the expense..not just yet anyway. If anyone kn
Anyway, thanks for the support up to now and I hope to meet some owners at the Coys Historic Racing Festival at the end of July!!!
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VIN: Oh dear..
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<P>The last time I submitted a message I had a fantastic response (about getting
hold of a DeLorean in the UK), well now I have hit a rather large
snag……insurance! </P>
<P>I have phoned or e-mailed every insurance company I know of and looked
through classic car magazines for help, to no avail it would seem. The only
company I can find to insure me was Sureterm and they quoted me ú1500 on a
limited mileage, garaged, fort knox enabled 1981 ‘D’.</P>
<P>This is way beyond what I first imagined it would be! My 1994 Calibra Turbo
(which is a group 18 insurance here in the UK) is only ú1000 (I am after all
only 20 years old!) and I cannot justify the expense….not just yet anyway. If
anyone knows of a company that might be able to help a young enthusiastic ‘D’
lover I would be ETERNALLY grateful!</P>
<P>Anyway, thanks for the support up to now and I hope to meet some owners at
the Coys Historic Racing Festival at the end of July!!!</P>
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Anyone out there recently had a recharge with R-12? What does it cost these days?
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Hi all,
Does anyone wanta buy mine........83 10K miles Vin 16369.....Don Steiger
said it was one of the best examples he has ever seen and when i asked how
much it is worth..... His reply i wouldnt sell it for a penny under
$30K......Actually i may consider selling but no one will pay the $50K that
it would take......she is simply not for sale as far as im concerned even
it it was 60 or even 70 what would i want to do with the profit.......???
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>< Hi there 25k is too much. I have researched well and all dealers know
that
for a mint DMC the going rate is $15,000. I have found a brand new DMC
from
1981 that has never been titled. It still has factory plastic, and it is
only
20,000. Anything above 15k is too too much.
Sincerely,<
Send me the details ill buy it
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Welcome to the gang Ryan McCaffrey VIN# 10014 Mesa, Arizona
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Thanks for the correction on the 1-6 scale! I knew there were six
numbers and that it went from parts-car to concours, I guess I just
forgot the order :)
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Subject: [DML] Re: Brown Stains on A Grey Dash
Date: 30-Jun-99 20:45:14 -0400
mrcopies@jet2.net writes:
<< Quick question...
I have some brown stains on my grey dash. It is normally covered by a
dashmat and looks fine but was wondering if anyone has ever been able to get
these stains out. The rest of the dash is fine and looks great... no cracks
etc..
Thanks
>>
I too was wondering about these stains. I have a couple which are very
small. I didnt try to remove them because of how small they are and because
I didnt want to damage the vinyl with the wrong chemical. If anyone has had
a similar problem and found a solution I too would like to hear about it
Gary W. Gore
Activities Director
DeLorean Mid Atlantic
VIN 3360
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Subject: [DML] Exhaust hoses needed...
Date: 30-Jun-99 21:04:09 -0400
Hi,
This is a generic need, but since it's for my D, I figured I would post it
here. I'm looking for the exhaust hoses mechanics use to put on the exhaust
pipes to run the fumes out of their shop. I've looked many places & have
asked everyone I can think of (including my mechanic) and have had no luck.
If anyone knows of a supplier, please post it.
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Has anyone else in this list had success with this unit or any other unit? Please let me know. Thanks. ---Dan
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Dave,
Be aware that the following information was received through a reliable
source but we have never purchased or installed this unit ourselves.
Therefore we cannot guarantee the accuracy of this information.
The accumulator/dryer crosses over to an 84 Corvette post Vin 3468 GM #
1131411.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>
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Subject: [DML] A/C Dryer...
Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 6:18 PM
I am going to be charging my A/C soon. But first I want to replace the
dryer. I know there is an aftermarket application for it. Could someone
please tell me what it is (part number if possible) and where I can get it?
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Subject: [DML] Re: Killing the oil thread too
Date: 30-Jun-99 20:49:52 -0500
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At 10:39 PM 6/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Guess this is my fault for asking for an opinion or experience. I also want
>to preserve my D as much as possible on a finite budget, (still hoping for
>that 10-car climate-controlled garage one day<G>). I appreciate everyone's
>opinions that were shared both on-list and off. Now I guess I need to find
>one of those special tools for the drain plug. Anyone have one for sale? Was
>this part of the tool kits that came with the cars? Mine didn't have one :^(
>
>
Never did find a commercial tool for this.
You can make a handy dandy oil drain wrench for about $3-$8 and a little
time. It's just a 8mm square drive.
Go to any decent hardware store or farm supply and get a 12" piece of 5/16"
square steel stock. If they have a shorter piece get it, but 12" is a
standard length. Standard steel stock in this area is about 99 cents for a
12". I got good tool quality for $3. 5/16" is about 7.9mm and will fit the
plug just fine.
Also get a 3/8" 12-point socket in 3/8" drive. Make sure it is a 12-point!
Doesn't need to be *great* quality, just good. Mine cost about $1.50.
Stick the 5/16" square stock in the socket before leaving the store to make
sure it fits reasonably well. Not too much play. This is where having the
12-point socket comes in. A 12-point socket can be used on either standard
hex bolts, or the old fashioned square headed bolts from pre-WWII. We're
just using this to our advantage.
With the square stock inserted into the socket take a pencil and mark it so
that about 3/4" sticks out of the socket. Cut it off with a hacksaw. You
can either use it like that, or use a good metal glue like JB Weld to glue
the steel piece into the socket. I glued mine so it wouldn't get lost so
easily. Use a good metal glue or it will come loose every time you use it!
Won't hurt anything as the glue doesn't do anything but hold things in
place, but it is annoying!
Just use a 3/8" drive ratchet with this and you've got an oil drain wrench
for the life of your D.
Mark N
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Date: 30-Jun-99 21:49:24 -0400
I think I need to replace my alternator. I need more power to run the amp for my stereo. I keep seeing the voltage meter on the car drop when the lights are on and I'm idling. Do I need to get a higher output alternator? If I do, which one
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Subject: [DML] Re: DMC-12
Date: 30-Jun-99 21:53:04 -0400
The DeLorean sedan was the DMC-24, named for its $24,000 target sale price.
The Pick up truck, the DMC-44, was simply badged the 44 due to its 4X4
capability. Thats all just hearsay however.
Justin
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Subject: [DML] Re: Exhaust hoses needed...
Date: 30-Jun-99 22:03:46 -0400
In-reply-to: <854782B0>.24ac1889
Eastwood Automotive sells them...
>Hi,
>
>This is a generic need, but since it's for my D, I figured I would post it
>here. I'm looking for the exhaust hoses mechanics use to put on the exhaust
>pipes to run the fumes out of their shop. I've looked many places & have
>asked everyone I can think of (including my mechanic) and have had no luck.
>
>If anyone knows of a supplier, please post it.
>
>Thanks!!!
>
>mATT
>#6770
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Subject: [DML] Re: Brown Stains on A Grey Dash
Date: 30-Jun-99 21:27:37 -0500
Several years ago my original dash developed a "brown stain". It actually appeared like a
"sunburn", with a pattern to it. It developed shortly after using a dash cover during a hot
Texas summer - the dash had previously been uncovered but armoralled regularly. One afternoon
during a particularly hot day, I took the dash cover off and measured the surface temp of the
dash. It was over 150 F. These were not stains - they were scorch marks. Two summers later the
binnacle blistered badly and had to be replaced, followed by two huge vertical splits in the
dash where the, you guessed it, "stains" were. Maybe too late for you but I'd suggest that you
GET RID OF THE COVER and go to an outside window cover or car cover. Because of the very limited
availability (I think the grey ones are gone) of dashes, you might want to plan for the future
and put one away
steve brodsky 82 delorean #10688, 75 bricklin #1509
DeLorean31@aol.com wrote:
> mrcopies@jet2.net writes:
> << Quick question...
> I have some brown stains on my grey dash. It is normally covered by a
> dashmat and looks fine but was wondering if anyone has ever been able to get
> these stains out. The rest of the dash is fine and looks great... no cracks
> etc..
> Thanks
> >>
>
> I too was wondering about these stains. I have a couple which are very
> small. I didnt try to remove them because of how small they are and because
> I didnt want to damage the vinyl with the wrong chemical. If anyone has had
> a similar problem and found a solution I too would like to hear about it
>
> Gary W. Gore
> Activities Director
> DeLorean Mid Atlantic
> VIN 3360
> http://members.aol.com/delorean31/index.html
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Several years ago my original dash developed a "brown stain". It actually
appeared like a "sunburn", with a pattern to it. It developed shortly after
using a dash cover during a hot Texas summer - the dash had previously
been uncovered but armoralled regularly. One afternoon during a particularly
hot day, I took the dash cover off and measured the surface temp of the
dash. It was over 150 F. These were not stains - they were scorch marks.
Two summers later the binnacle blistered badly and had to be replaced,
followed by two huge vertical splits in the dash where the, you guessed
it, "stains" were. Maybe too late for you but I'd suggest that you <b>GET
RID OF THE COVER </b>and go to an outside window cover or car cover. Because
of the very limited availability (I think the grey ones are gone) of dashes,
you might want to plan for the future and put one away
<p>steve brodsky 82 delorean #10688, 75 bricklin #1509
<br>DeLorean31@aol.com wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> mrcopies@jet2.net writes:
<br><< Quick question...
<br> I have some brown stains on my grey dash. It is normally
covered by a
<br>dashmat and looks fine but was wondering if anyone has ever been able
to get
<br>these stains out. The rest of the dash is fine and looks great...
no cracks
<br>etc..
<br> Thanks
<br> >>
<p>I too was wondering about these stains. I have a couple which
are very
<br>small. I didnt try to remove them because of how small they are
and because
<br>I didnt want to damage the vinyl with the wrong chemical. If
anyone has had
<br>a similar problem and found a solution I too would like to hear about
it
<p>Gary W. Gore
<br>Activities Director
<br>DeLorean Mid Atlantic
<br>VIN 3360
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Subject: [DML] Cost of a decent D
Date: 30-Jun-99 22:28:23 -0400
I have to disagree with you. Most dealers have little idea what a DeLorean
is worth. I bought my D from a dealer, and he sold it very reasonable
considering its low mileage, 6301, and excellent condition because he thought parts were non-existent.
- Most dealers also know about Hemmings, and have some general idea about what a D is worth. It seems, however, given the thin market for DeLoreans, that the price can vary wild from region to region, time of year and particular transactio
I think when you actually go and see these cars that are described as "mint" for under $15000 you will be sorely disappointed.
-As you suggested, you might be suprised and truly come across a very very nice car for cheap. In fact, if someone is dilligent in their search, patient and a decent negotiator- and perhaps willing to do a little work- a bargain D can stil
Mint condition is one of those terms that people who know very little about cars throw around to attract buyers.
-Again, I would disagree. There are very well known criteria as to what a mint or near mint DeLorean should be. And, as other have said, it is not necesarily a low milage car. But it is a car with a clean interior, good seats, electronic
-If you think anything above $15000 is too much for a D, check the latest NADA guide to classic and exotic cars. I believe you'll be surprised.
More than 15K is perhaps a good price for a D, but consider the work that needs to go into one. It seems to me that a well established broad guide exists for D pricing. 10K is probably a runner with some significant problems. I believe a
I'd like to know who has a 0 mileage D still in the plastic for $20000.
Again, the perfect D today, 20 years later, is not going to have 0 miles on it. It needs to be turned on and at least warmed up every few weeks, every month, every year. At one mile a week, that is a car with 1,000 miles on it. And most
David Levey
Cleveland
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 30-Jun-99 22:40:31 -0400
Hello,
My uncle used to know the wife of John DeLoreans nephew Mark DeLorean. He said he owned 2 D's,
one that after time got the crap beaten out of it, and another one in shrinki wrap. From what i
last heard it was sold to someone, he was going to bring me over there to see the remaining
one, but due to a divorce it's just wasn't practical.
- Shain
LovDMC12@aol.com wrote:
> I have to disagree with you. Most dealers have little idea what a DeLorean
> is worth. I bought my D from a dealer, and he sold it very reasonable
> considering its low mileage, 6301, and excellent condition because he thought
> parts were non-existent. Check out "Hemmings Motor News" to see what is
> available and what individuals are asking. I think when you actually go and
> see these cars that are described as "mint" for under $15000 you will be
> sorely disappointed. Mint condition is one of those terms that people who
> know very little about cars throw around to attract buyers. Beware and take
> a hard look at a D before you buy it. If you think anything above $15000 is
> too much for a D, check the latest NADA guide to classic and exotic cars. I
> believe you'll be surprised.
>
> I'd like to know who has a 0 mileage D still in the plastic for $20000.
>
> Brian
> VIN 1597
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 30-Jun-99 22:46:37 -0400
> Ok, I hate to be rude but thats just bullcrap. Any 99point concours DeLorean,
> either Black or Grey interior, 5-Speed or Automatic, should be held to the
> highest standards possible. I believe Lee Seiler has had an idea before of
> having all DeLorean owners start asking upwards of $30,000 for fine quality
> DeLoreans, because the value of a collectors item, no matter what it is, is
> simply how much the owners are willing to hold out for. **MOST** $15,000
> DeLoreans that I have looked at in the past 4 years have atleast 25k miles
> and are in fair condition (A3 or A4) For the gentleman with the concours
> DeLorean for sale at $25,000, I wish you the best of luck. Please remember,
> dreams do NOT come cheap.
>
> Just my 2 cents,
> Justin
>
Uh, Justin, what's "bullcrap"? Your reply was not to any particular posting.
Are you in agreement with me or not? Your response is not entirely clear.
BTW, who is Lee Seiler? (Please forgive me, but I am new to the DML.)
I hold my DeLorean to the "highest standards possible" to be a potential 99+
point concours car (with a minimum of spit and polish as I previously noted).
I do agree with you that a $15K D is, at best, in "fair" condition.
Regards,
Ed Thompson (#6419)
Midlothian, VA
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Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioning
Date: 30-Jun-99 23:09:07 -0400
Darren,
I am free Friday and Saturday during day time hours. If you are free we can
get together to take a look.
As for the light switch, sounds like they have disconnected the wires from
the switch, because I know the switch was working before and they were in
that area correcting your mode switch. Should be no problem to correct this.
Now Darren's D has the original fan fail module and cooling fan relay. I
have the factory jumper wire for the fan fail module that I am currently not
using, because I have installed Fan-Zilla. If we install the jumper wire
should this solve his problem. His fan fail light only comes on when the
fans are on and working.
I would also like to think DMC Joe for all the questions that he answered
for me today. He was a big help.
Keep the dream alive and be safe,
Robert Starling
Vin#5252
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Subject: [DML] Re: DMC-12
Date: 30-Jun-99 23:29:53 -0400
There was also a sedan in the
>works, the DMC-24 and a truck, the DMC-44. I'm not sure where the numbers
>came from for the truck and the bus.
I've seen the DMC-80 in SSI, but the truck is news to me. Anyone have a
picture?
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Subject: [DML] Re: A/C Recharge Cost?
Date: 30-Jun-99 23:32:03 -0400
The current price for R-12 here in North Carolina is about $40.00 a pound. I
paid $120.00 for a recharge, but this did include the check for leaks and to
put a dye in the system so that we could see if there were any small leaks
in the system.
The dye can be seen with a ultra violet light. After the dye was placed in
the system I operated the car for a few weeks and then they went over all
the AC components with the light. If there is a leak they dye will show up
with the light.
Keep the dream alive and be safe,
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Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Search
Date: 30-Jun-99 23:34:03 -0400
> Standard auction condition ratings is just the opposite, Ben.
>
> 1: National Concours standard / perfect
> Mike Griese
> Ben
> There is a standardized scale of rating car quality. It uses
> numbers 1 though 6 to describe increasing car value. A one is a parts
> car. A 6 is a concours car.
Okay guys, what's it gonna be? #1 or #6? I wanna be the first to say
my D (for sale at $25K) should be at the top, or bottom, of someone's list,
# 1 or #6! Who cares which you prefer? Is there really an official list?
Probably. Personally, I prefer the concours ratings of 100 points max.
(Hence, my rating of my D at a potential of 99+, with a minimum of spit
and polish.) My guess is that at the top or the bottom of the "list" is
where your wallet is; where you will find find my D, and what you think
of my D that's for sale (or any D for that matter).
Regards,
Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982, and still for sale at $25K OBO)
Midlothian, VA
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Subject: [DML] Re: A/C Recharge Cost?
Date: 30-Jun-99 23:37:49 -0400
wilson_leong@amat.com wrote:
>
> Anyone out there recently had a recharge with R-12? What does it cost these days?
>
$100
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Subject: [DML] Re: DMC-12
Date: 30-Jun-99 23:54:24 -0400
> The DeLorean sedan was the DMC-24, named for its $24,000 > target sale price.
> Thats all just hearsay however.
>
> Justin
Hearsay indeed! There was never a DeLorean sedan DMC
designation. Just another JZD dream right to the end.
BTW, none of the DMC series was named for its price. The
very first DMC-12 was targeted at $7K in 1974 dollars. The
1981 DMC-12 was listed at $25K sticker.
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Subject: [DML] Re: SS Kits
Date: 30-Jun-99 22:56:47 -0500
Are you talking about plastic model kit? If yes, I didn't see any on that
website, can you tell me how I can get my hands on a few?
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From: Tamir Ardon <ardont@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 6:57 PM
Subject: [DML] SS Kits
>Just to confirm,
>
>These kits are absolutely stunning. I received mine about a week ago,
>and I can't wait to put them on. Check out Ebay for the current set
>being auctioned.
>
>Tamir (#11474)
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