DeLorean Mailing List - June 1999 - Week #3

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Subject: [DML] Re: My Engine Hums...for all the wrong reasons!                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 13-Jun-99 12:25:09 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mr. Copies,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Yes, this resistor is designed to run very hot.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: Mr Copies <mrcopies@jet2.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] My Engine Hums...for all the wrong reasons!                                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 5:48 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
This maybe a dumb question.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In the parts manual.... section 3 / subsection 4 / group 1                                                                                                                                                                                      
Electrical components...                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Is part # 101054 (marked as resistance)                                                                                                                                                                                                         
supposed to get really hot (burn your finger hot)                                                                                                                                                                                               
it also hums a bit when the ignition is on and the                                                                                                                                                                                              
car is not running.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
This part is on the back left hand side of                                                                                                                                                                                                      
the wall in the engine compartment ...                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
mike@mrcopies.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean Spotted in NYC!!                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 13-Jun-99 19:41:04 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If was a Friday night to Saturday morning after 12AM.  That was most likely                                                                                                                                                                     
to be me and my DeLorean.                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
That is my route heading home.                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] DML: 5 Year Coolant, Take II                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 14-Jun-99 9:23:32 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There were a couple of messages over the weekend about coolant,                                                                                                                                                                                 
including this question from Murray:                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Recently I saw info from someone re some new                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> coolant supposedly good for 5 years!  Does                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> anyone know for sure about this?                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I am the one who posted that message.  I had read about the new coolant                                                                                                                                                                         
at a local autoparts store, but due to a few vague phrases on the label                                                                                                                                                                         
I suspected it might be snake oil.  So I called Prestone and spoke to a                                                                                                                                                                         
technician who assured me that the new coolant will indeed last five                                                                                                                                                                            
years in my DeLorean without doing any damage.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I changed other liquids at that time (two years ago)                                                                                                                                                                                          
> I did not change the coolant... [SNIP] I am very                                                                                                                                                                                              
> aware that it is good to change coolant on cars every                                                                                                                                                                                         
> year or so, howevever this coolant is a fairly bright                                                                                                                                                                                         
> blue color.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Yes, it is important to change your coolant in any car, especially one                                                                                                                                                                          
with an aluminum engine.  This has to do with preventing corrosive                                                                                                                                                                              
deterioration, NOT with keeping the engine cool.  As they explained to                                                                                                                                                                          
me, coolant reacts chemically with the aluminum and gradually changes                                                                                                                                                                           
its acidity.  Over time this will damage your engine, radiator, heater                                                                                                                                                                          
core, and just about everything else in your cooling system.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
After a year or two, old coolant will still keep your engine cool but it                                                                                                                                                                        
will begin to slowly ruin your aluminum.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
For about $1 per gallon more, the new formula coolant is more stable and                                                                                                                                                                        
will last much longer than the old green coolants.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
To get the new coolant to last so long, it is vitally important to                                                                                                                                                                              
remove every drop of the old stuff.  You must perform a flush of the                                                                                                                                                                            
whole system.  This is the reason Prestone's new coolant is colored                                                                                                                                                                             
orange, to prevent us consumers from accidentally mixing it with the old                                                                                                                                                                        
green stuff.  I have heard that other brands have colored their new                                                                                                                                                                             
formula coolants in red.  However, I do not know about that blue stuff                                                                                                                                                                          
that Murray found in his car.  Perhaps it is just a different brand of                                                                                                                                                                          
the new formula?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
- Mike Substelny                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: OLD COOLANT                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 14-Jun-99 10:03:34 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I can't speak for old coolant in a DeLorean, but I recently had problems with                                                                                                                                                                   
my '91 Mercury Cougar due to old coolant.  According to the dealer,                                                                                                                                                                             
anti-freeze becomes acidic with age.  That is the reason Ford suggests                                                                                                                                                                          
flushing the system and replacing the coolant every 30000 miles.  I left mine                                                                                                                                                                   
in for some 60000 miles before changing it.  Since then I've put another                                                                                                                                                                        
30000 miles on the car.  Well, the old coolant had acidified and created a                                                                                                                                                                      
weak spot in the head gasket at the number 4 cylinder.  I've never had this                                                                                                                                                                     
problem with my DeLorean, but since most anti-freeze is the same, I figure                                                                                                                                                                      
it's better safe than sorry.  I had the coolant system in my D flushed a few                                                                                                                                                                    
months after I bought it.  I don't feel like having to put head gaskets in it                                                                                                                                                                   
when $20 worth of anti-freeze would save me this expense.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Should you change the anti-freeze in a DeLorean every year as someone                                                                                                                                                                           
suggested earlier?  This seems to be a bit too often to me.                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Looking for Southeastern DeLorean owners                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 14-Jun-99 10:03:48 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm looking for some members of the DeLorean owners group that is based out                                                                                                                                                                     
of Atlanta, Georgia.  Since, to my knowledge, there is no DeLorean club in                                                                                                                                                                      
the Carolinas, I am interested in joining this group.  Could someone send me                                                                                                                                                                    
the name and email address or phone number of the person I need to contact in                                                                                                                                                                   
order to join this group?  Thanks for your help.                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: 5 Year Coolant, Take II                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 14-Jun-99 7:48:40 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi Mike,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
    Thanks for that info, it is what I was looking for.  I assume then that                                                                                                                                                                     
it is the Prestone brand.  I will look into getting mine changed and insist                                                                                                                                                                     
on a very thorough flush job.   I am 78 years old and don't bend as well as                                                                                                                                                                     
I used to, so hire most things done, although I have done everything you can                                                                                                                                                                    
name to cars and engines over my lifetime.  I am good at supervising tho.                                                                                                                                                                       
Ho Ho.    Joe says my mileage would indicate that my present antifreeze is                                                                                                                                                                      
still within its limits.  Also got two notes from others who say when they                                                                                                                                                                      
bought their cars brand new it had this same bright blue coolant in it!  I                                                                                                                                                                      
have not found out just what brand it is yet, but one of them said his still                                                                                                                                                                    
has it in it.  Yes, I know about the corrosion etc, so want to get it                                                                                                                                                                           
changed quickly.  Thanks again.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
    BTW by any chance can you give me any info on draining and refilling the                                                                                                                                                                    
coolant properly.  I see your input on here quite often and thought you                                                                                                                                                                         
might know this.  I remember in the olden days we used to drain the petcock                                                                                                                                                                     
on the radiator and then another one on the block itself in order to get all                                                                                                                                                                    
the old coolant out.   I might mention that I have the mod in my cooling                                                                                                                                                                        
system where a by pass tube goes from the upper engine center rear, to the                                                                                                                                                                      
"front" of the plastic reservoir.  I got this from the Pacific Northwest                                                                                                                                                                        
Club in Seattle, Wa, who have developed it.  It works great and no problems.                                                                                                                                                                    
    Re Joes comments, I would think that TIME would be the constriction                                                                                                                                                                         
rather than MILEAGE,  but who am I to know!                                                                                                                                                                                                     
        Murray Vin:5962 Lic:DMC-XII                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Need to talk to Daniel McGauley                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 14-Jun-99 13:50:52 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm trying to get in touch with Daniel McGauley.  He wanted a copy of the                                                                                                                                                                       
"Scandal" episode with JZD, and there is a problem.  I believe he's on this                                                                                                                                                                     
list.  If he or someone who knows his email address can email me privately,                                                                                                                                                                     
I'd really appreciate it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks for the help.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Frame Rust Problem and Solution...                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] PRD-12 ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 14-Jun-99 15:20:11 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Does anyone have information on the PRD - 12 ?  It's development, where it                                                                                                                                                                      
was used, etc.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I met John Z. DeLorean yesterday.  Today's my 50th Birthday.  He's a really                                                                                                                                                                     
nice guy.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Time Magazine                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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John got my vote!                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: PRD-12 ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 14-Jun-99 19:29:49 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hey everyone,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	Does anyone know anything about JZD's new car?  I really haven't                                                                                                                                                                               
found much anywhere, please help!                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Looking for Southeastern DeLorean owners                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 14-Jun-99 19:49:54 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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> From: LovDMC12@aol.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Looking for Southeastern DeLorean owners                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:03 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'm looking for some members of the DeLorean owners group that is based                                                                                                                                                                       
out                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> of Atlanta, Georgia.  Since, to my knowledge, there is no DeLorean club                                                                                                                                                                       
in                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> the Carolinas, I am interested in joining this group.  Could someone send                                                                                                                                                                     
me                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> the name and email address or phone number of the person I need to                                                                                                                                                                            
contact in                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
> order to join this group?  Thanks for your help.                                                                                                                                                                                              
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Subject: [DML] Re: PRD-12 ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 14-Jun-99 20:00:36 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
hi there, if you could possibly elaborate on what john delorean is like i                                                                                                                                                                       
would appreciate it very much!!!!!!    =)    thanks for at least considering                                                                                                                                                                    
it!!!!!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: 5 Year Coolant, Take II                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 14-Jun-99 20:26:02 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Murray,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Just thought I would tell you that I am the inventor of the "air bleed by                                                                                                                                                                       
pass". Here is how it came about. In 1989 when my DeLorean turned 150K                                                                                                                                                                          
miles the engine developed a leaky head gasket which caused air to be                                                                                                                                                                           
trapped at the thermostat. I knew that if I could bleed the air from the                                                                                                                                                                        
system on a continuous basis I could continue to drive the car. I already                                                                                                                                                                       
knew that there was an air bleed hose running from the top of the radiator                                                                                                                                                                      
back to the coolant bottle. I realized that if I could do the same at the                                                                                                                                                                       
thermostat it should solve the problem.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
After I did the modification the problem was corrected. After several                                                                                                                                                                           
months of field testing I started to install the modification on customers                                                                                                                                                                      
cars. Several years ago one of those cars traveled up to one of the big                                                                                                                                                                         
DeLorean shows and the owner said that many of the participants in the show                                                                                                                                                                     
were very interested in the set up. Shortly after that I heard that someone                                                                                                                                                                     
from a club up north was selling the device to other DeLorean owners.                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
No harm done, I am glad to know that something I developed was helping                                                                                                                                                                          
other DeLorean owners. However,  I would like everyone to know that It was                                                                                                                                                                      
developed by yours truly, or better yet I will give credit to DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                          
Services.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
I believe there is a clause in my contract that reads that anything I                                                                                                                                                                           
invent belongs to the company. This should keep our legal department happy;                                                                                                                                                                     
ha! ha!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Murray Fisher <murrayf@innw.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Re: DML: 5 Year Coolant, Take II                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 10:48 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Hi Mike,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>     Thanks for that info, it is what I was looking for.  I assume then                                                                                                                                                                        
that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> it is the Prestone brand.  I will look into getting mine changed and                                                                                                                                                                          
insist                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> on a very thorough flush job.   I am 78 years old and don't bend as well                                                                                                                                                                      
as                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> I used to, so hire most things done, although I have done everything you                                                                                                                                                                      
can                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> name to cars and engines over my lifetime.  I am good at supervising tho.                                                                                                                                                                     
> Ho Ho.    Joe says my mileage would indicate that my present antifreeze                                                                                                                                                                       
is                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> still within its limits.  Also got two notes from others who say when                                                                                                                                                                         
they                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> bought their cars brand new it had this same bright blue coolant in it!                                                                                                                                                                       
I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> have not found out just what brand it is yet, but one of them said his                                                                                                                                                                        
still                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> has it in it.  Yes, I know about the corrosion etc, so want to get it                                                                                                                                                                         
> changed quickly.  Thanks again.                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>     BTW by any chance can you give me any info on draining and refilling                                                                                                                                                                      
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> coolant properly.  I see your input on here quite often and thought you                                                                                                                                                                       
> might know this.  I remember in the olden days we used to drain the                                                                                                                                                                           
petcock                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> on the radiator and then another one on the block itself in order to get                                                                                                                                                                      
all                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> the old coolant out.   I might mention that I have the mod in my cooling                                                                                                                                                                      
> system where a by pass tube goes from the upper engine center rear, to                                                                                                                                                                        
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> "front" of the plastic reservoir.  I got this from the Pacific Northwest                                                                                                                                                                      
> Club in Seattle, Wa, who have developed it.  It works great and no                                                                                                                                                                            
problems.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>     Re Joes comments, I would think that TIME would be the constriction                                                                                                                                                                       
> rather than MILEAGE,  but who am I to know!                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>         Murray Vin:5962 Lic:DMC-XII                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Scirroccos, anyone?                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 14-Jun-99 23:04:37 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You know, I was wondering if anyone else was in the same boat as I.                                                                                                                                                                             
Aside from the delorean being my number 1 dream car, there's a humble                                                                                                                                                                           
little Volkswagon out there that sports an incredible body.  The                                                                                                                                                                                
Scirrocco.  Mostly just the middle models, 1985, & 86.  But if anyone                                                                                                                                                                           
ever sees this car driving down the street, stop a minute and glare at                                                                                                                                                                          
it's beautiful cut-off 80's lines.  With a thin grill, dual square                                                                                                                                                                              
headlights on each side, and a low, mean hatchback gives it a charming                                                                                                                                                                          
resemblance to the D.  And if you ever see one painted silver, then it's                                                                                                                                                                        
hard to differ them.  So, as the D may be my dream car, many of you, like                                                                                                                                                                       
myself who cannot afford or even find a D, the Scirrocco is a beautiful                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Coolant again...                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 15-Jun-99 3:13:38 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Alright you guys, I'm still confused about my coolant. DMC Joe says it's okay and Mike S. says that the acidity stuff is eating away at my aluminum engine. If that were the case shouldn't my car be in D heaven by now after 18years? Again, D
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] A Couple of Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 14-Jun-99 22:19:55 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: DeloreanDude@juno.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:48:02 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Subject: A Couple of Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
1. (a)Has anyone ever had/ thought of having their engines chromed?                                                                                                                                                                             
     (b)Is this process even possible???                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
2. To accompany the D's sporty snarl, would a set of FlowMasters                                                                                                                                                                                
soung good, or what?  (I was told that DMC had packs made on                                                                                                                                                                                    
the cars, but the person doen't know much DeLorean history,                                                                                                                                                                                     
so I cannot account for this).                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
3. I have been thinking of having my DeLorean painted purple                                                                                                                                                                                    
when I recieve it.  Has anyone ever seen a purple D before???                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks To All,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Subject: [DML] Engine Popping Fun!                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 15-Jun-99 0:09:34 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dear List,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
    Okay, here's my latest...When I start my DeLorean after its been                                                                                                                                                                            
sitting for awhile, it will idle extremely rough and at down around 500                                                                                                                                                                         
RPMs.  The engine will not respond to any changes in the position of the                                                                                                                                                                        
throttle until about 5 minutes after its been running, and when it                                                                                                                                                                              
finally does respond I get this weird popping noise that sounds like                                                                                                                                                                            
it's coming from inside the engine.  After the car has been running for                                                                                                                                                                         
about fifteen minutes, it will calm down and behave semi normally,                                                                                                                                                                              
except then I have a serious loss of power.  It will also run hot at                                                                                                                                                                            
around 220 degrees according to the temperature gauge.  I've bled and                                                                                                                                                                           
refilled the coolant to resolve the temperature problem, but that hasn't                                                                                                                                                                        
helped.  I've also noticed absolutely no leaks in the system.                                                                                                                                                                                   
    I might have found the solution, but I wanted to check it with the                                                                                                                                                                          
experts before I go poking around in unfamiliar territory.  Apparently                                                                                                                                                                          
the last owner of my car had fuel mixture problems a lot.  The threaded                                                                                                                                                                         
hole where the fuel mixture adjustment screw used to be is stripped and                                                                                                                                                                         
instead of a screw, someone has stuck the top of a golf tee in it.  Now                                                                                                                                                                         
I'm not saying this wouldn't work, but I'm fairly sure there is a better                                                                                                                                                                        
way to plug that particular hole.  If I go messing with this tee (which                                                                                                                                                                         
is jammed in pretty tight) I'm afraid I might break it off, but if I                                                                                                                                                                            
don't mess with it I may never solve my idling problem.  The other thing                                                                                                                                                                        
I was thinking it might be is the cold start valve, but that appears to                                                                                                                                                                         
be in working order.  Any help would be very, VERY useful!                                                                                                                                                                                      
            Thanks in advance,                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
            Josh                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Connecitut DeLoreans !                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 15-Jun-99 2:21:30 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'd like to get together with other CT D owners sometime this summer.  Please                                                                                                                                                                   
email me and we'll pick a mutually convenient time and place (Stratford since                                                                                                                                                                   
I'm doing it!)  Probably at Shakespeare theater / park.                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Any interest?  I met up with 2 other Ds in NJ recently and driving them                                                                                                                                                                         
together was a KICK!                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> Does anyone have information on the PRD - 12 ?  It's development, where it                                                                                                                                                                    
> was used, etc.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I met John Z. DeLorean yesterday.  Today's my 50th Birthday.  He's a really                                                                                                                                                                   
> nice guy.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] How do I test my lock module?                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 15-Jun-99 0:02:24 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi Everyone!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Here's a quick power lock question I haven't been able to find in the archives.                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
My central locking system doesn't work.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
So here's what I've done....                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I tested the solenoids and I can manually fire off each one (together) by attaching a wire directly to the battery terminals and then touching the solenoid connections.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In it's regular state...there doesn't seem to be any power going to the system at all.                                                                                                                                                          
Solenoids, door contact switch etc....are all dead.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In the MAIN connection plug - My module connector only has 4 wires coming out of it - should there be five or more??                                                                                                                            
My female connection switch has the bottom 4 holes filled - every other hole is empty.  I have the small plug that jets out of the main bundle attached.  When I opened the actual module (black box) there appears to be some wires cut on each
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The last owner of my Delorean told me that he had "remote" locks...but lost the key transmitter... and now I'm wondering if he hacked into the factory lock system to retrofit his.                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Were remote locks standard in 83?...or is this some after-market ^$#*&$#^*.                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
He butchered the electrical system.  I felt like Quincy tonight conducting an autopsy.                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Would the other relays in the system affect the lock module?  I'm going to replace the 8 common ones next weekend and was wondering if it would help.  Also...the lock module itself doesn't appear to have a fuse or anything...am I missing so
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I appologize in advance if the questions are dumb.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Any help would greatly be appreciated!!                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Here's a quick power lock question I haven't been able to find                                                                                                                                                                
in the archives.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000 size=2>My central locking system                                                                                                                                                                   
doesn't work.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                               
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT size=2>So here's what I've done....</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                     
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                           
<DIV><FONT size=2>I tested the solenoids and </FONT><FONT size=2>I can manually                                                                                                                                                                 
fire off each one (together) by </FONT><FONT size=2>attaching a wire directly to                                                                                                                                                                
the battery terminals and then touching the solenoid connections.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                  
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                           
<DIV><FONT size=2>In it's regular state...there doesn't seem to be any power                                                                                                                                                                    
going to the system at all.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                        
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Solenoids, door contact                                                                                                                                                                     
switch etc....are all dead.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                        
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>In the MAIN connection plug - My module                                                                                                                                                                         
connector only has 4 wires coming out of it - should there be five or                                                                                                                                                                           
more??</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT size=2>My female connection switch                                                                                                                                                                 
has the bottom 4 holes filled - every other hole is empty.&nbsp; I have the                                                                                                                                                                     
small plug that jets out of the main bundle attached.&nbsp; When I opened the                                                                                                                                                                   
actual module (black box) there appears to be some wires cut on each of the two                                                                                                                                                                 
relays (?), ....I'm almost afraid to ask if this is standard. :)</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                   
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The last owner of my Delorean told me that he                                                                                                                                                                   
had &quot;remote&quot; locks...but lost the key transmitter... and now I'm                                                                                                                                                                      
wondering if he hacked into the factory lock system to retrofit his.&nbsp;                                                                                                                                                                      
</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Were remote locks standard in 83?...or is this                                                                                                                                                                  
some after-market ^$#*&amp;$#^*.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                            
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>He butchered the electrical system.&nbsp; I felt                                                                                                                                                                
like Quincy tonight conducting an autopsy.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                         
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Would the other relays in the system affect the lock                                                                                                                                                                          
module?&nbsp; I'm going to replace the 8 common ones next weekend and was                                                                                                                                                                       
wondering if it would help.&nbsp; Also...the lock module itself doesn't appear                                                                                                                                                                  
to have a fuse or anything...am I missing something.</FONT></DIV></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                         
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I appologize in advance if the questions are                                                                                                                                                                    
dumb.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Any help would greatly be                                                                                                                                                                                       
appreciated!!</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Winshield washer pump access...what am I missing?                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 15-Jun-99 0:03:57 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just when you thought it was safe.....                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
ANOTHER question.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
What am I doing wrong.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
My windsheild washer pump burned out and am trying to access it for replacement.                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There are 6 or 8 small screws around the perimeter of the compartment that attach it to the underside of the car.  Every screw I put a socket on just spins....doesn't come loose...doesn't tighten.                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've tried wd40, and penetrating oil...no luck.  Any helpful hints?                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
P.S.  I've tried secret passwords like @^%@#$^ and *(($#($*& ...but the compartment refuses to budge.                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
No one ever told me owning a Delorean would be THIS much fun! :)                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>ANOTHER question.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                  
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>My windsheild washer pump burned out and am                                                                                                                                                                     
trying to access it for replacement.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                               
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>There are 6 or 8 small screws around the                                                                                                                                                                        
perimeter of the compartment that attach it to the underside of the car.&nbsp;                                                                                                                                                                  
Every screw I put a socket on just spins....doesn't come loose...doesn't                                                                                                                                                                        
tighten.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I've tried wd40, and penetrating oil...no luck.&nbsp; Any                                                                                                                                                                     
helpful hints?</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                           
<DIV><FONT size=2>P.S.&nbsp; I've tried secret passwords like @^%@#$^ and                                                                                                                                                                       
*(($#($*&amp; ...but the compartment refuses to budge.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                             
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<DIV><FONT size=2>No one ever told me owning a Delorean would be THIS much fun!                                                                                                                                                                 
:)</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for any help.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Clutch Replacement                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 15-Jun-99 11:56:20 +0200                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Yes it is a Renault transmission and you can use a clutch repair kit                                                                                                                                                                            
from Renault. In Germany a Renault repair shop did the job for me. At                                                                                                                                                                           
the moment I have not the number for the kit but in USA it is easier to                                                                                                                                                                         
get one from a DeLorean supplier. The most important thing is to tell                                                                                                                                                                           
every mechanic who wants to work at your car that he never lift the car                                                                                                                                                                         
at the jack points because the hole weight of the car will hang on a few                                                                                                                                                                        
screws connect the frame with the plastic shell. The best is a lift                                                                                                                                                                             
where the car can stand with the wheels on it.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Lot's of DeLorean's for sale                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 15-Jun-99 3:24:10 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just FYI stuff, I noticed the auction site "excite classifieds &                                                                                                                                                                                
auctions" has several DeLorean's for sale.  Actually more than Auto                                                                                                                                                                             
Trader.  Kinda interesting though to see what people are asking for                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Re: Lot's of DeLoreans for sale                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Sorry,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Ponchatoula Strawberry Festival                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Greetings again,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
        First I would like to thank everyone for their response to my idea                                                                                                                                                                      
about the D event to be held at the Ponchatoula Strawberry Fest 2000.  So                                                                                                                                                                       
far I have heard from four owners.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
        I would like to be able to go ahead and give my local Chamber of                                                                                                                                                                        
Commerce a call but I was wondering if there might be a few more of you out                                                                                                                                                                     
there that would like to attend.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
        I will be getting us into the anual parade and into the carshow.  It                                                                                                                                                                    
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I hope we can make this an exiting festival,                                                                                                                                                                                                    
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Subject: [DML] Re: Looking for Southeastern DeLorean owners                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 15-Jun-99 14:08:29 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Sorry to be using the list to reply, but I am trying to promote this                                                                                                                                                                            
festival.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I am currently working on a project in the Southeast to get some owners out                                                                                                                                                                     
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month of April.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ponchatoula is about 50 miles north on New Orleans.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Let me know if you would like to attend.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: PRD-12 ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 15-Jun-99 15:09:28 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It's still only at the pre-prototype stage. It's supposedly only been researched on paper. Investors are needed for it to become a reality. Will it happen? Your guess is as good as mine. ---Dan Vin#5493                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Hey everyone,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	Does anyone know anything about JZD's new car?  I really haven't                                                                                                                                                                               
found much anywhere, please help!                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Winshield washer pump access...what am I missing?                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 15-Jun-99 15:11:37 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: 	[DML] Winshield washer pump access...what am I missing?                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just when you thought it was safe.....                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
ANOTHER question.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
What am I doing wrong.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
My windsheild washer pump burned out and am trying to access it for replacement.                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There are 6 or 8 small screws around the perimeter of the compartment that attach it to the underside of the car.  Every screw I put a socket on just spins....doesn't come loose...doesn't tighten.                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've tried wd40, and penetrating oil...no luck.  Any helpful hints?                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
P.S.  I've tried secret passwords like @^%@#$^ and *(($#($*& ...but the compartment refuses to budge.                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
No one ever told me owning a Delorean would be THIS much fun! :)                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks for any help.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Winshield washer pump access...what am I mi                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 15-Jun-99 19:35:24 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <005001BEB6FD3D8E>c360$14c8c8c8                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> What am I doing wrong.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> My windsheild washer pump burned out and am trying to access it for replacement.                                                                                                                                                              
> There are 6 or 8 small screws around the perimeter of the compartment that                                                                                                                                                                    
> attach it to the underside of the car.  Every screw I put a socket on just                                                                                                                                                                    
> spins....doesn't come loose...doesn't tighten.                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I've tried wd40, and penetrating oil...no luck.  Any helpful hints?                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I sure hope you have checked the fuses first, this is a lot of work to fix.                                                                                                                                                                     
More #$%^# words to follow, I'm sure                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The fun is just beginning. Your not going to like this, but what has happened                                                                                                                                                                   
 is that the screws have galled themsleves into the aluminum rivet-nuts that                                                                                                                                                                    
 are attached to the body, and are now spinning uselessly in the holes. The                                                                                                                                                                     
 only fix I have ever see for this is to grind the screw heads off with a                                                                                                                                                                       
 Dremel tool, then grind off the riv-nuts, and then replace them. My                                                                                                                                                                            
recollection is that several of the screws holding the washer tank cover in                                                                                                                                                                     
 place are behind it, so to get to them you get to remove the left front                                                                                                                                                                        
fender. Of course to do that you have to partially remove the front facia. To                                                                                                                                                                   
do this you have to remove the hood. etc etc etc....                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You may be better off with a squirt gun full of washer fluid until you have a                                                                                                                                                                   
 lot of spare time.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The lesson from this is that ANY TIME you remove the screws from the riv-                                                                                                                                                                       
nuts, anywhere on the car, put some anti-sieze compound on the threads. This                                                                                                                                                                    
coommonly happens to the access panels in the front lugage compartment since                                                                                                                                                                    
the back sides of the riv-nuts are exposed to weather.                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Scirroccos, anyone?                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 15-Jun-99 14:43:39 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Ariel,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm not suprised you like the Scirrocco- it was actually penned by the                                                                                                                                                                          
same man (Giorgietto Guigaro). The lines are very similar and I considered                                                                                                                                                                      
buying one in addition to my DeLorean for a while as a daily driver.                                                                                                                                                                            
Guigaro (in my opinion) was an extremely talented stylist of the time and                                                                                                                                                                       
worked for prestigious design firms like Ghia, before starting Ital                                                                                                                                                                             
designs. In addition to the Scirrocco and DeLorean, he did other excellent                                                                                                                                                                      
cars like the Lotus Espirit, couple Maseratis (Bora and Merak I believe)                                                                                                                                                                        
and even the BMW M1 (which a few of the initial DeLorean drawings                                                                                                                                                                               
resembled). Truly an amazing designer in my opinion- anyone have any                                                                                                                                                                            
websites on him??                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Jeff Wiltzius                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, ariel b levine wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> You know, I was wondering if anyone else was in the same boat as I.                                                                                                                                                                           
> Aside from the delorean being my number 1 dream car, there's a humble                                                                                                                                                                         
> little Volkswagon out there that sports an incredible body.  The                                                                                                                                                                              
> Scirrocco.  Mostly just the middle models, 1985, & 86.  But if anyone                                                                                                                                                                         
> ever sees this car driving down the street, stop a minute and glare at                                                                                                                                                                        
> it's beautiful cut-off 80's lines.  With a thin grill, dual square                                                                                                                                                                            
> headlights on each side, and a low, mean hatchback gives it a charming                                                                                                                                                                        
> resemblance to the D.  And if you ever see one painted silver, then it's                                                                                                                                                                      
> hard to differ them.  So, as the D may be my dream car, many of you, like                                                                                                                                                                     
> myself who cannot afford or even find a D, the Scirrocco is a beautiful                                                                                                                                                                       
> alternative, and a good 2nd place dream car.  Keep an eye out.  And don't                                                                                                                                                                     
> underestimate the power of the Volkswagons.                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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>3. I have been thinking of having my DeLorean painted purple                                                                                                                                                                                   
>when I recieve it.  Has anyone ever seen a purple D before???                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Man, that would look pretty ugly, wouldn't it? purple.... The D already                                                                                                                                                                         
draws huge amounts of attention being in the unique stainless steel finish.                                                                                                                                                                     
In my opinion purple just isn't a nice color for cars in general.                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just my two cents.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] i have some delorean pictures                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 15-Jun-99 13:37:25 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
i got some delorean pics the other day while i was on vaction,i plan on                                                                                                                                                                         
having them developed in the next two or three days,if anyone would                                                                                                                                                                             
like a copy of them please e-mail me at                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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--- Mike Atkinson <mikeatk@concentric.net> wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Sorry,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I forgot to insert the e-mail address, if anyone is                                                                                                                                                                                           
> interested.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Re: A Couple of Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 15-Jun-99 22:44:53 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <19990614>.224315.-109005.3.DeloreanDude                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  OK I'll try to answer these one at a time,                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 1. (a)Has anyone ever had/ thought of having their engines chromed?                                                                                                                                                                            
      (b)Is this process even possible???                                                                                                                                                                                                       
  YES IT IS POSSIBLE TO CHROME ALMOST ANYTHING, AND IF DONT RIGHT LOOKS GOOD.                                                                                                                                                                   
CHECK YOUR LOCAL HEMMINGS OR OTHER PUBLICATIONS AND LOOK AT THE PERSONS                                                                                                                                                                         
PREVIOUS WORK. THEN DECIDE.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> 2. To accompany the D's sporty snarl, would a set of FlowMasters                                                                                                                                                                              
> soung good, or what?  (I was told that DMC had packs made on                                                                                                                                                                                  
> the cars, but the person doen't know much DeLorean history,                                                                                                                                                                                   
> so I cannot account for this).                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  DONT KNOW, BUT DONT THINK DELOREAN MADE SPECIAL PACKS FOR THE MUFFLERS. AS FAR AS FLOWMASTERS GO, <AND THIS IS A PERSONAL OPINION, SO FLAME ME NOT THE LIST> I THINK THEY SOUND LIKE A WEEDEATER ON STERIODS GONE MAD AND THEREFORE THINK THEY
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> 3. I have been thinking of having my DeLorean painted purple                                                                                                                                                                                  
> when I recieve it.  Has anyone ever seen a purple D before???                                                                                                                                                                                 
  AGAIN A PERSONAL OPINION BUT I THINK THE ONLY REASON A DELOR SHOULD BE PAINTED IS IF IT HAS/HAD BODY DAMAGE. AND IF IT HAS/HAD BODY DAMAGE TO THE POINT IT NEEDED TO BE PAINTED, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO PART THE CAR OUT AND LIST IT AS "
 NO I NEVER SEEN A PURPLE DELOREAN BEFORE. IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT PAINTING IT PRIVATELY EMAIL ME AND I WILL SEND YOU INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO DO IT <THEY COME FROM THE COMPANYS WHO WANTED TO PAINT THE DELOREAN WHILE IT WAS IN PRODUCTION>   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Thanks To All,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> 	Robert Greenhaw                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
  SORRY FOR RAMBLING,                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] ariel b levine lets talk off the list                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 15-Jun-99 22:52:48 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello all,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
  Sorry for using the list like this but....                                                                                                                                                                                                    
  Ariel B Levine I want to talk to you more about the Volks Remake but I cant find you Email address. Please Email me privately at: JZD_OUTATIME@yahoo.com                                                                                      
Sorry again list and James,                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: Scirroccos, anyone?                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 15-Jun-99 19:18:42 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
ariel b levine wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> So, as the D may be my dream car, many of you, like                                                                                                                                                                                           
> myself who cannot even find a D,                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You are in luck!  You have just found one.  A mint                                                                                                                                                                                              
condition 1981 with only 9850 miles.  Always garaged,                                                                                                                                                                                           
always covered, never snowed or rained on.  Offered at                                                                                                                                                                                          
an incredibly low price of only $25K (OBO).  Shipping                                                                                                                                                                                           
arranged anywhere in the world.  You can be driving                                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Re: Winshield washer pump access...what am I missing?                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 15-Jun-99 21:10:08 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mr Copies,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
The problem you are experiencing is due to the fact that the nut fasteners                                                                                                                                                                      
have become detached from the fiberglass body. You will have to cut the                                                                                                                                                                         
bolt heads of with a Dremel tool.                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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From: Mr Copies <mrcopies@jet2.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                             
To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Subject: [DML] Winshield washer pump access...what am I missing?                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 3:03 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just when you thought it was safe.....                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
ANOTHER question.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
What am I doing wrong.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
My windsheild washer pump burned out and am trying to access it for                                                                                                                                                                             
replacement.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There are 6 or 8 small screws around the perimeter of the compartment that                                                                                                                                                                      
attach it to the underside of the car.  Every screw I put a socket on just                                                                                                                                                                      
spins....doesn't come loose...doesn't tighten.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've tried wd40, and penetrating oil...no luck.  Any helpful hints?                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
P.S.  I've tried secret passwords like @^%@#$^ and *(($#($*& ...but the                                                                                                                                                                         
compartment refuses to budge.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
No one ever told me owning a Delorean would be THIS much fun! :)                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks for any help.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
mike@mrcopies.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine Popping Fun!                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 15-Jun-99 21:22:31 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Josh,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Your problem is in the fuel mixture adjustment or the fuel enrichment                                                                                                                                                                           
circuit.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
The golf tee in the access hole should be no problem, it is only an access                                                                                                                                                                      
hole and anything that will seal the hole will do.                                                                                                                                                                                              
Don't bother checking the cold start valve it has nothing to do with engine                                                                                                                                                                     
performance.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
If you engine is running hot you still have air in the system or your                                                                                                                                                                           
cooling fan circuit is not operating properly.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Josh Haldeman <haldeman.4@osu.edu>                                                                                                                                                                                                      
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Engine Popping Fun!                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:09 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Dear List,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>     Okay, here's my latest...When I start my DeLorean after its been                                                                                                                                                                          
> sitting for awhile, it will idle extremely rough and at down around 500                                                                                                                                                                       
> RPMs.  The engine will not respond to any changes in the position of the                                                                                                                                                                      
> throttle until about 5 minutes after its been running, and when it                                                                                                                                                                            
> finally does respond I get this weird popping noise that sounds like                                                                                                                                                                          
> it's coming from inside the engine.  After the car has been running for                                                                                                                                                                       
> about fifteen minutes, it will calm down and behave semi normally,                                                                                                                                                                            
> except then I have a serious loss of power.  It will also run hot at                                                                                                                                                                          
> around 220 degrees according to the temperature gauge.  I've bled and                                                                                                                                                                         
> refilled the coolant to resolve the temperature problem, but that hasn't                                                                                                                                                                      
> helped.  I've also noticed absolutely no leaks in the system.                                                                                                                                                                                 
>     I might have found the solution, but I wanted to check it with the                                                                                                                                                                        
> experts before I go poking around in unfamiliar territory.  Apparently                                                                                                                                                                        
> the last owner of my car had fuel mixture problems a lot.  The threaded                                                                                                                                                                       
> hole where the fuel mixture adjustment screw used to be is stripped and                                                                                                                                                                       
> instead of a screw, someone has stuck the top of a golf tee in it.  Now                                                                                                                                                                       
> I'm not saying this wouldn't work, but I'm fairly sure there is a better                                                                                                                                                                      
> way to plug that particular hole.  If I go messing with this tee (which                                                                                                                                                                       
> is jammed in pretty tight) I'm afraid I might break it off, but if I                                                                                                                                                                          
> don't mess with it I may never solve my idling problem.  The other thing                                                                                                                                                                      
> I was thinking it might be is the cold start valve, but that appears to                                                                                                                                                                       
> be in working order.  Any help would be very, VERY useful!                                                                                                                                                                                    
>             Thanks in advance,                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>             Josh                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>             VIN 5102                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: Coolant again...                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 15-Jun-99 21:29:35 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The DeLorean cooling system is unique in the fact that the system must be                                                                                                                                                                       
bleed of trapped air in the cooling lines in order to operate properly.                                                                                                                                                                         
Most mechanics are not familiar with this set up. They should know how the                                                                                                                                                                      
air bleeding procedure before servicing the car.                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: eurojet@sdcoe.k12.ca.us                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> To: dmcnews@eGroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Coolant again...                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:13 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Alright you guys, I'm still confused about my coolant. DMC Joe says it's                                                                                                                                                                      
okay and Mike S. says that the acidity stuff is eating away at my aluminum                                                                                                                                                                      
engine. If that were the case shouldn't my car be in D heaven by now after                                                                                                                                                                      
18years? Again, Don didn't recommend that it be changed either. Let's say                                                                                                                                                                       
that I take the safe road and have my local mechanic do the job for me. Is                                                                                                                                                                      
there anything special about the D that he should know before the flush and                                                                                                                                                                     
fill or is the system pretty generic? I'm torn between "if it ain't broke,                                                                                                                                                                      
don't fix it" and "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Please                                                                                                                                                                     
advise and we might all learn something once again about these mysterious                                                                                                                                                                       
cars. Thanks again. Fil.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: How do I test my lock module?                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 15-Jun-99 21:30:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mr Copies,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
If you would like details on the factory lock module you cold contact us                                                                                                                                                                        
directly for that information. We suggest that you get rid of the factory                                                                                                                                                                       
unit. Even if you get it to work it will eventually burn your door                                                                                                                                                                              
solenoids out, kill your battery, or even trap you inside the car.                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If you want your central locking system to operate as it was designed you                                                                                                                                                                       
will need to purchase the Lockzilla from PJ Grady.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The central locking system was standard equipment in all DeLorean's.                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: Mr Copies <mrcopies@jet2.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                             
To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Subject: [DML] How do I test my lock module?                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 3:02 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi Everyone!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Here's a quick power lock question I haven't been able to find in the                                                                                                                                                                           
archives.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
My central locking system doesn't work.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
So here's what I've done....                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I tested the solenoids and I can manually fire off each one (together) by                                                                                                                                                                       
attaching a wire directly to the battery terminals and then touching the                                                                                                                                                                        
solenoid connections.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In it's regular state...there doesn't seem to be any power going to the                                                                                                                                                                         
system at all.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Solenoids, door contact switch etc....are all dead.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In the MAIN connection plug - My module connector only has 4 wires coming                                                                                                                                                                       
out of it - should there be five or more??                                                                                                                                                                                                      
My female connection switch has the bottom 4 holes filled - every other                                                                                                                                                                         
hole is empty.  I have the small plug that jets out of the main bundle                                                                                                                                                                          
attached.  When I opened the actual module (black box) there appears to be                                                                                                                                                                      
some wires cut on each of the two relays (?), ....I'm almost afraid to ask                                                                                                                                                                      
if this is standard. :)                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The last owner of my Delorean told me that he had "remote" locks...but lost                                                                                                                                                                     
the key transmitter... and now I'm wondering if he hacked into the factory                                                                                                                                                                      
lock system to retrofit his.                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Were remote locks standard in 83?...or is this some after-market ^$#*&$#^*.                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
He butchered the electrical system.  I felt like Quincy tonight conducting                                                                                                                                                                      
an autopsy.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Would the other relays in the system affect the lock module?  I'm going to                                                                                                                                                                      
replace the 8 common ones next weekend and was wondering if it would help.                                                                                                                                                                      
Also...the lock module itself doesn't appear to have a fuse or                                                                                                                                                                                  
anything...am I missing something.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I appologize in advance if the questions are dumb.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Any help would greatly be appreciated!!                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
mike@mrcopies.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
VIN #17089                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] Re: Giugiaro (was: Scirroccos, anyone?)                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Hi Jeff,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Check out Italdesign's website: http://www.italdesign.it.  It highlights                                                                                                                                                                        
many of the cars that Giugiaro styled.  Looks like this site has changed                                                                                                                                                                        
fairly recently...                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Travis Graham                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> and even the BMW M1 (which a few of the initial DeLorean drawings                                                                                                                                                                             
> resembled). Truly an amazing designer in my opinion- anyone have any                                                                                                                                                                          
> websites on him??                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Met John DeLorean Sunday                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 16-Jun-99 0:19:05 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I saw a couple posts regarding John DeLorean.  I was one of the three                                                                                                                                                                           
DeLorean owners that met John DeLorean at his home here in NJ this past                                                                                                                                                                         
Sunday.  Let me say that Mr. DeLorean is a very personable gentleman.  It was                                                                                                                                                                   
a great thrill to meet him and to talk to him about my car. One of the owners                                                                                                                                                                   
I went with knew an associate of John Delorean's so we were able to set up a                                                                                                                                                                    
meeting in advance at his house through this associate of his.  As most of                                                                                                                                                                      
you Mr. Delorean is a private man these days.  However he was gracious enough                                                                                                                                                                   
to have us over to his estate after assurances it would only be a few of us.                                                                                                                                                                    
We took three DeLorean's mine included.  We met Mr. DeLorean and his                                                                                                                                                                            
daughter.  He signed some items that I had brought such as different dealer                                                                                                                                                                     
brochures and his autobiography.  In any case it was an extremely enjoyable                                                                                                                                                                     
day.  I have posted two picture that I took this past Sunday for those of you                                                                                                                                                                   
that would like to see what Mr. Delorean looks like as well as a picture of                                                                                                                                                                     
two of our cars in front of his house.  My website home page address is                                                                                                                                                                         
listed below and there is a link on it to another page which contains the                                                                                                                                                                       
pictures.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Gary W. Gore                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Activities Director                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
DeLorean Mid Atlantic                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
VIN 3360                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] D cars still on the road                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 16-Jun-99 12:58:05 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
With all the speculation as to how many Deloreans are on the road and                                                                                                                                                                           
the exact production numbers ect. How many Deloreans are on the confirmed dead                                                                                                                                                                  
List? Any estimates as to the percentage of Deloreans that are still road worthy compared to how many have been manufactured?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Date: 16-Jun-99 16:32:29 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The 106004 Brake Servo Access Panel in my car has 3 holes drilled in the center.  I think that this is a modificaton and there should only be holes around the perimeter.  Does this sound correct?                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Also, several of the threaded aluminum fasteners that the screws for this panel screw in to are gone.  I can manufacture them but does anyone have an alternative (the entire panel was silicone sealed in place by previous owner!)?           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Grumman-DeLorean deal                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 16-Jun-99 17:01:20 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dear DML,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	Hello, I have been subscribed to this mailing list for quite sometime                                                                                                                                                                          
but I have never spoken on it. I am only 15 but I am a BIG enthusiast of                                                                                                                                                                        
DeLoreans. Someday I hope to own one. Anyway, my Dad is a big car buff and he                                                                                                                                                                   
has a collection of old car brochures. Well, I was looking through there and                                                                                                                                                                    
I found something interesting. My dad works for Grumman Aerospace                                                                                                                                                                               
Corporation. Now it is called Northrup Grumman because they got bought up and                                                                                                                                                                   
they moved from Long Island to Florida. They had an old company newsletter                                                                                                                                                                      
called THE PLANE NEWS. My Dad had an article on how Grumman had a deal with                                                                                                                                                                     
DMC to manufacture the roof panels for the DMC-12. This was going to be                                                                                                                                                                         
Grumman's first step into the auto industry. You guys probably all know about                                                                                                                                                                   
this already but I haven't seen it on the list yet so I thought I should put                                                                                                                                                                    
it on. I have the article scanned onto my webpage. It is on the bottom of the                                                                                                                                                                   
page. I hope you guys like it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Sincerely,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] Is there a (lock) doctor in the house???  *look at the pic*                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: 16-Jun-99 14:21:38 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi guys...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  Really appreciate the help everyone's given me on the lock issue.                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brandon was great enough to send me a .jpg of his lock module...when I compared it to mine it was quite different.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have an 83 Delorean is this make a difference?                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've uploaded two shots of my lock module... could someone please take a peek and let me know if they are salvagable (ie. reconnect cut wires etc..).                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The top and bottom of the module is at:                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
http://www.mrcopies.com/delorean/lock1.jpg                                                                                                                                                                                                      
http://www.mrcopies.com/delorean/lock2.jpg                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks for your help.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
mike@mrcopies.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp; Really appreciate the help everyone's given me on the                                                                                                                                                                  
lock issue.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
<DIV><FONT size=2><BR>Brandon was great enough to send me a .jpg of his lock                                                                                                                                                                    
module...when I compared it to mine it was quite different.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                        
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                           
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have an 83 Delorean is this make a difference?</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                 
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                           
<DIV><FONT size=2>I've uploaded two shots of my lock module... could someone                                                                                                                                                                    
please take a peek and let me know if they are salvagable (ie. reconnect cut                                                                                                                                                                    
wires etc..).</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                           
<DIV><FONT size=2>The top and bottom of the module is at:</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                          
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks for your help.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                            
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<DIV><FONT size=2>VIN #17089</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Re: Giugiaro (was: Scirroccos, anyone?)                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 16-Jun-99 22:09:06 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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 Hello all,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
  Another excellent site to check out is Viva DeLoreans Giugiaro Trinute Page                                                                                                                                                                   
 Its at  www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1166/giugiaro.htm                                                                                                                                                                                   
 follow the link to his other work and you will see many good pics. of his works, including, what may have been <read was soon to come if Delor stayed in bus.> the 4 door DeLorean!!!!! :)                                                     
  Just my 2 cents                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
  The DMC Wannabe                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 Hi Jeff,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Check out Italdesign's website: http://www.italdesign.it.  It highlights                                                                                                                                                                      
> many of the cars that Giugiaro styled.  Looks like this site has changed                                                                                                                                                                      
> fairly recently...                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Giugiaro (was: Scirroccos, anyone?)                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 16-Jun-99 18:27:53 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There were many plans if JZD would have stayed in buisness.                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The plans you are talking about were for a 4 door sedan featuring gull wing                                                                                                                                                                     
doors.  Can you imagine that?                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Another creation was to be a metro bus created by DMC.  If you check around                                                                                                                                                                     
on the net you might be able to find a JPEG of what this bus would have                                                                                                                                                                         
looked like.  Somewhere out there you can find a pic with the name DELOREAN                                                                                                                                                                     
edited over the real words on top of the bus.                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
He would have made great contributions to the automotive world.  Many of his                                                                                                                                                                    
past contributions are part of our everyday lives but we just dont realize                                                                                                                                                                      
it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I was on the bttf website a few days ago and there is an article about a                                                                                                                                                                        
plastic sports car he wants to create.  Its a shame he doesn't have the                                                                                                                                                                         
financial ability to start up a company just like that.                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
He could make some drastic changes in our everyday car lives.                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just my two and a half cents,                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Re: Is there a (lock) doctor in the house???  *                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 17-Jun-99 0:58:30 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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> Hi guys...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> I've uploaded two shots of my lock module... could someone please take a peek and let me know if they are salvagable (ie. reconnect cut wires etc..).                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
That is not a Delorean lock module, but somebody's home-made replacement.                                                                                                                                                                       
You're best bet is a lockzilla.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: 106004 Brake Servo Access Panel                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 17-Jun-99 1:04:57 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Tom Mickel VIN3772 wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> The 106004 Brake Servo Access Panel in my car has 3 holes drilled in the center.  I think that this is a modificaton and there should only be holes around the perimeter.  Does this sound correct?                                           
No - should not be any holes                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Also, several of the threaded aluminum fasteners that the screws for this                                                                                                                                                                     
 panel screw in to are gone.  I can manufacture them but does anyone have an                                                                                                                                                                    
 alternative (the entire panel was silicone sealed in place by previous owner!)?                                                                                                                                                                
You can get the aluminum RivNuts, aka NutSerts, from the DMC suppliers for                                                                                                                                                                      
about 50cents each. The really hard part is finding a metric installation tool                                                                                                                                                                  
 for them. If you're not a purist, convert to standard threads. The tool is available from bodyshop supply places.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Is there a (lock) doctor in the house???  *look at the pic*                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 16-Jun-99 22:10:30 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Checked out you pictures and you do have several wires missing, there                                                                                                                                                                           
should be a wire in every hole.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Subject: [DML] Is there a (lock) doctor in the house???  *look at the pic*                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:21 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi guys...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  Really appreciate the help everyone's given me on the lock issue.                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brandon was great enough to send me a .jpg of his lock module...when I                                                                                                                                                                          
compared it to mine it was quite different.                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have an 83 Delorean is this make a difference?                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've uploaded two shots of my lock module... could someone please take a                                                                                                                                                                        
peek and let me know if they are salvagable (ie. reconnect cut wires                                                                                                                                                                            
etc..).                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The top and bottom of the module is at:                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
http://www.mrcopies.com/delorean/lock1.jpg                                                                                                                                                                                                      
http://www.mrcopies.com/delorean/lock2.jpg                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks for your help.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
mike@mrcopies.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Grumman-DeLorean deal                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 16-Jun-99 22:17:42 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Jimmy,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Although they were not involved in roof panels they were contracted to                                                                                                                                                                          
design and build the door torsion bars, quite a task I might ad.                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: JimmuC@aol.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Grumman-DeLorean deal                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:01 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Dear DML,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> 	Hello, I have been subscribed to this mailing list for quite sometime                                                                                                                                                                        
> but I have never spoken on it. I am only 15 but I am a BIG enthusiast of                                                                                                                                                                      
> DeLoreans. Someday I hope to own one. Anyway, my Dad is a big car buff                                                                                                                                                                        
and he                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> has a collection of old car brochures. Well, I was looking through there                                                                                                                                                                      
and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> I found something interesting. My dad works for Grumman Aerospace                                                                                                                                                                             
> Corporation. Now it is called Northrup Grumman because they got bought up                                                                                                                                                                     
and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> they moved from Long Island to Florida. They had an old company                                                                                                                                                                               
newsletter                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
> called THE PLANE NEWS. My Dad had an article on how Grumman had a deal                                                                                                                                                                        
with                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> DMC to manufacture the roof panels for the DMC-12. This was going to be                                                                                                                                                                       
> Grumman's first step into the auto industry. You guys probably all know                                                                                                                                                                       
about                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> this already but I haven't seen it on the list yet so I thought I should                                                                                                                                                                      
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> page. I hope you guys like it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: PRD-12 ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 17-Jun-99 0:16:37 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
bobbi,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Gracious.  Impressive in a low keyed way.  It was a once in a                                                                                                                                                                                   
lifetime opportunity.   I have great respect for the man, now more than before I                                                                                                                                                                
met him.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
For me, opportunity met preparedness and I met Mr. John Z. DeLorean.                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I am very, very happy I did.  I respect his privacy, please do also.                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Any way, I'd be glad to tell you more about the experience,  and I'd enjoy doing                                                                                                                                                                
it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I don't type very fast so you'll have to call me.  (203) 377-7551  @ home, after                                                                                                                                                                
work.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Bob H.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] DeLorean firsts?                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 17-Jun-99 1:21:26 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I recall reading some time back that the DeLorean was the first car to                                                                                                                                                                          
feature an AM/FM/Cassette stereo as standard equipment (i.e., not an                                                                                                                                                                            
option).  Is that true?  What other interesting 'firsts' did the DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                       
feature?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian Henderlong / Tampa, FL / DOA# 4977 / No VIN yet...                                                                                                                                                                                        
mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] bowmanville, ontario?????                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 17-Jun-99 3:24:16 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
greetings..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
a few years ago, when i lived in southern ontario (canada), i came across a                                                                                                                                                                     
d parked in a carport at a comdominium complex..  it was at 120 port                                                                                                                                                                            
darlington road, in bowmanville..  is the owner on the list..  my family                                                                                                                                                                        
lives in the area, and i take delivery of my d ( '82 #11434, i think) in                                                                                                                                                                        
august..  it might be neat to get together..  just a thought...                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Clutch Replacement                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 17-Jun-99 13:23:54 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <37662344>.C771156                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 <37662344.c77115-@stud.fh-flensburg.de> wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=967                                                                                                                                                                               
> Yes it is a Renault transmission and you can use a clutch repair kit                                                                                                                                                                          
> from Renault. In Germany a Renault repair shop did the job for me. At                                                                                                                                                                         
> the moment I have not the number for the kit but in USA it is easier to                                                                                                                                                                       
> get one from a DeLorean supplier. The most important thing is to tell                                                                                                                                                                         
> every mechanic who wants to work at your car that he never lift the car                                                                                                                                                                       
> at the jack points because the hole weight of the car will hang on a few                                                                                                                                                                      
> screws connect the frame with the plastic shell. The best is a lift                                                                                                                                                                           
> where the car can stand with the wheels on it.                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Thilo Skursch, Flensburg, Germany                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As a new " D" car owner I was very interested                                                                                                                                                                                                   
to find out that the proper way to lift the Delorean is not                                                                                                                                                                                     
necessarily at the jacking points. Would any one                                                                                                                                                                                                
care to elaborate on the best ways to lift and                                                                                                                                                                                                  
support the car both when using a floor jack and jack                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Re: Grumman-DeLorean deal                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 17-Jun-99 9:23:31 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I think Grumman made the torsion bars for the doors.  The machine that                                                                                                                                                                          
made the bars is "missing" I am told, and there is a limited number of                                                                                                                                                                          
bars left..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Can your father find the machine?!  :)                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Dear DML,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>         Hello, I have been subscribed to this mailing list for quite sometime                                                                                                                                                                 
> but I have never spoken on it. I am only 15 but I am a BIG enthusiast of                                                                                                                                                                      
> DeLoreans. Someday I hope to own one. Anyway, my Dad is a big car buff and he                                                                                                                                                                 
> has a collection of old car brochures. Well, I was looking through there and                                                                                                                                                                  
> I found something interesting. My dad works for Grumman Aerospace                                                                                                                                                                             
> Corporation. Now it is called Northrup Grumman because they got bought up and                                                                                                                                                                 
> they moved from Long Island to Florida. They had an old company newsletter                                                                                                                                                                    
> called THE PLANE NEWS. My Dad had an article on how Grumman had a deal with                                                                                                                                                                   
> DMC to manufacture the roof panels for the DMC-12. This was going to be                                                                                                                                                                       
> Grumman's first step into the auto industry. You guys probably all know about                                                                                                                                                                 
> this already but I haven't seen it on the list yet so I thought I should put                                                                                                                                                                  
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Subject: [DML] Looking For modified radio plate.                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 17-Jun-99 9:28:41 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I want to install a standard DIN radio in my car, but don't want to cut                                                                                                                                                                         
the plate to make it fit.                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Does anyone have a plate that is already cut, that they don't need?                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I know there are some modern radios that will fit without cutting, but I                                                                                                                                                                        
don't like them.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: D cars still on the road                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 17-Jun-99 9:50:14 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
We have been researching this subject for the last three years. We are                                                                                                                                                                          
currently in the process of allowing information regarding Vin's to be                                                                                                                                                                          
input at our web site. Currently our numbers indicate that between 2,500 to                                                                                                                                                                     
2,000 cars are unaccounted for.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Knowing that it is virtually impossible to account for every Vin we are                                                                                                                                                                         
working on an equation that could be applied to existing numbers in order                                                                                                                                                                       
to come up with a close figure.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: mdeluca@comtechpst.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> To: dmcnews@eGroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] D cars still on the road                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:58 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> With all the speculation as to how many Deloreans are on the road and                                                                                                                                                                         
> the exact production numbers ect. How many Deloreans are on the confirmed                                                                                                                                                                     
dead                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> List? Any estimates as to the percentage of Deloreans that are still road                                                                                                                                                                     
worthy compared to how many have been manufactured?                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Mike D.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Access to Delorean Chat Network                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 17-Jun-99 10:15:00 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I would like to have access to the Delorean chat network                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] R-12 Alternatives                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 17-Jun-99 11:59:13 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I was in search of R-12 replacements since the subject came up recently,                                                                                                                                                                        
and have found what appears to be a drop-in replacement that can actually                                                                                                                                                                       
be more efficient than R-12 called R-406A.  It sounds pretty good from                                                                                                                                                                          
their web site materials but I have no experience with it.  You can see                                                                                                                                                                         
what they say about it at their URL:                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  http://www.autofrost.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Anybody else ever heard of it?                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Looking For modified radio plate.                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 17-Jun-99 10:34:37 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Suggestion:  Buy a new plate and have that cut to fit your new radio, and                                                                                                                                                                       
leave the one you have for the stock radio.  When I put in my Alpine system,                                                                                                                                                                    
the radio was not quite as wide as the Craig face plate, and I have a small                                                                                                                                                                     
glue "scar" visible from the passenger side.  It's the little things that                                                                                                                                                                       
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>From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>To: DMC News <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>Subject: [DML] Looking For modified radio plate.                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:28:41 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>I want to install a standard DIN radio in my car, but don't want to cut                                                                                                                                                                        
>the plate to make it fit.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Does anyone have a plate that is already cut, that they don't need?                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>I know there are some modern radios that will fit without cutting, but I                                                                                                                                                                       
>don't like them.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Clutch Replacement                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 17-Jun-99 16:18:13 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Not to disagree with you but we have never had a problem using the jack                                                                                                                                                                         
points to raise the car. The best place to raise the car is at the areas                                                                                                                                                                        
adjacent to the four tow hooks attached to the frame.                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: mdeluca@comtechpst.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> To: dmcnews@eGroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Re: Clutch Replacement                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:23 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>  <37662344.c77115-@stud.fh-flensburg.de> wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=967                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Yes it is a Renault transmission and you can use a clutch repair kit                                                                                                                                                                        
> > from Renault. In Germany a Renault repair shop did the job for me. At                                                                                                                                                                       
> > the moment I have not the number for the kit but in USA it is easier to                                                                                                                                                                     
> > get one from a DeLorean supplier. The most important thing is to tell                                                                                                                                                                       
> > every mechanic who wants to work at your car that he never lift the car                                                                                                                                                                     
> > at the jack points because the hole weight of the car will hang on a                                                                                                                                                                        
few                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > screws connect the frame with the plastic shell. The best is a lift                                                                                                                                                                         
> > where the car can stand with the wheels on it.                                                                                                                                                                                              
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Thilo Skursch, Flensburg, Germany                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> As a new " D" car owner I was very interested                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> to find out that the proper way to lift the Delorean is not                                                                                                                                                                                   
> necessarily at the jacking points. Would any one                                                                                                                                                                                              
> care to elaborate on the best ways to lift and                                                                                                                                                                                                
> support the car both when using a floor jack and jack                                                                                                                                                                                         
> stan                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel hose - Special part?                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 17-Jun-99 13:30:28 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I can obtain that IDENTICAL part here in Tulsa for <$3 vs. >$10 elsewhere.                                                                                                                                                                      
Also avail. in colors from the same hydrolic co.  Let me know if I may be of                                                                                                                                                                    
assistance.    Robert          VIN 6924                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>From: Mark Noeltner <mnoeltne@ezl.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>Subject: [DML] Fuel hose - Special part?                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:41:14 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Is the fuel hose from the pump to the steel line a special type of hose                                                                                                                                                                        
>only available from the DeLorean parts dealers? Or is it something that                                                                                                                                                                        
>NAPA would stock? If NAPA would have something, what do I need to ask for?                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>This part #106979 in the parts book.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Thanks!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Re: Access to Delorean Chat Network                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 17-Jun-99 20:36:29 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <990617161520Z>.WT25701.  4*/PN=Wayne.Selden/O=EXCHANGE/PRMD=TENET/ADMD=MCI/C=US/"                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I would like to have access to the Delorean chat network                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Access to Delorean Chat Network                                                                                                                                                                                              
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Why do you need a chat when you already have the DML?                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Need A Clock!                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 17-Jun-99 21:37:52 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It took a while to notice, I thought my clock just didn't work, there were                                                                                                                                                                      
no "set" buttons. Now I see there is no clock behind the plastic face :^0                                                                                                                                                                       
Does anyone have a working clock they'd sell reasonably? I'd like to get                                                                                                                                                                        
this car back to it's former glory :^)                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Grumman-DeLorean deal                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 17-Jun-99 21:50:11 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
	Thank You for the information. I am always happy to learn any new                                                                                                                                                                              
information about the DeLorean.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
										                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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Date: 17-Jun-99 21:52:45 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 I wish my dad could find the machine. But my best guess is that it got                                                                                                                                                                         
scrapped or stored away somewhere after Northrop took over Grumman. Whatever                                                                                                                                                                    
the truth is I hope someone finds it someday!                                                                                                                                                                                                   
										                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] My DMC has gone                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 17-Jun-99 21:57:19 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello DMLers,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just a few words to say how I enjoyed owning my DMC-12                                                                                                                                                                                          
(car 004155) for the last 3 years.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It has gone now; it will begin its new carreer in an                                                                                                                                                                                            
automobile museum that will open in 2001 in the province                                                                                                                                                                                        
of Quebec (Canada). My (former) car won't be driven on                                                                                                                                                                                          
the road again. It will be the star of the museum.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
However, I don't give up. Maybe I'll buy another one in                                                                                                                                                                                         
"the future...". I take this opportunity to thank everyone                                                                                                                                                                                      
who has been so useful on this mailing list (James and every                                                                                                                                                                                    
other owner-member) with their comments and help, and also                                                                                                                                                                                      
Rob Grady for his kind attention and availability.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I will continue to read the DML in order to keep contact with                                                                                                                                                                                   
a wonderful bunch of guys who appreciate such a special car.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Guy V. Boutet                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Date: 17-Jun-99 22:20:09 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Did anybody on the list park their DMC on 13th St. (between) 6 & 5th avenues June 16th?  If so, your DMS is beautiful (I nearly locked up the brakes on my RX7 when I noticed it yesterday morning)!!!  It'd be a testament to unconventionality
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Soon-to-be owner seeks opinions                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 17-Jun-99 20:58:42 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Greetings everyone,                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've been a lurker on the list for around 2 years now, watching and                                                                                                                                                                             
learning.  I am finally ready, though, to break my silence and buy a D.                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Anyway, I'm currently looking into a car in Las Vegas.  Whatever car I                                                                                                                                                                          
get, I will be driving it frequently.  It will be a daily driver, in                                                                                                                                                                            
fact.  The D I'm looking at has 62k miles (verified to be actual                                                                                                                                                                                
miles).  Disregarding the plethora of other questions regarding the                                                                                                                                                                             
car's condition, etc. which need to be asked, my question to all of you                                                                                                                                                                         
is this:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Is it wise to buy a car with 62,000 miles on it?  What kind of mileage                                                                                                                                                                          
do you guys have on your cars?  I've read of a couple of list members                                                                                                                                                                           
with 200,000+ mile cars, but I'd like to know what the average DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                         
owner has on his car and the extent of the car's reliability beyond the                                                                                                                                                                         
big 100k.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Also, does anyone live in Las Vegas that would be willing to be my eyes                                                                                                                                                                         
and examine the car? (I know it's a lot to ask)  Or, does anyone know of                                                                                                                                                                        
a shop in Vegas that has experience working on the D that I could have                                                                                                                                                                          
the car inspected at?                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'd like to thank everyone in advance for their help, regarding both                                                                                                                                                                            
this matter and any future questions I may have.  After witnessing the                                                                                                                                                                          
support this group provides each other over the last two years, I know                                                                                                                                                                          
for a fact that you are all awesome and I look forward to joining the                                                                                                                                                                           
group as an owner.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm not sure what kind of worth this thread would provide to the group                                                                                                                                                                          
as a whole, so feel free to email me privately.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ryan McCaffrey                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Date: 18-Jun-99 1:51:14 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
call steve wynne at dmc. i provided him with a design for a cut-out with an                                                                                                                                                                     
added reinforcing bar that works very well with my 82 and an alpine cd. he                                                                                                                                                                      
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Marc A Levy wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I want to install a standard DIN radio in my car, but don't want to cut                                                                                                                                                                       
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> Does anyone have a plate that is already cut, that they don't need?                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I know there are some modern radios that will fit without cutting, but I                                                                                                                                                                      
> don't like them.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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Subject: [DML] DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 18-Jun-99 5:34:02 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I thought that the following tale may be of some interest to the list:                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
When I was at a local lock smith's shop to have one of Lee's blanks                                                                                                                                                                             
(Excellent work lee, they look great!) cut, the locksmith told me that                                                                                                                                                                          
he had found a document about a year prior to that that he had forgotten                                                                                                                                                                        
about until then describing a point underneath the Delorean, that one                                                                                                                                                                           
could rap with a rubber mallet and cause both doors to fly open.  He                                                                                                                                                                            
said that it had been required that such a feature be added to prevent                                                                                                                                                                          
one from becoming trapped in the event of an accident.                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  He's supposed to look for it, and told me to check back with him in a                                                                                                                                                                         
couple weeks.  I'll scan it if he finds it and I get a copy.  (...and                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 18-Jun-99 8:16:30 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
That explains why everytime I run over a small animal my doors fly open :-)                                                                                                                                                                     
Seriously, this wouldn't make much sense.  But it makes for good humor.  If                                                                                                                                                                     
the D was upside down (in the event of a crash), the doors couldn't open                                                                                                                                                                        
anyways.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I thought that the following tale may be of some interest to the list:                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
When I was at a local lock smith's shop to have one of Lee's blanks                                                                                                                                                                             
(Excellent work lee, they look great!) cut, the locksmith told me that                                                                                                                                                                          
he had found a document about a year prior to that that he had forgotten                                                                                                                                                                        
about until then describing a point underneath the Delorean, that one                                                                                                                                                                           
could rap with a rubber mallet and cause both doors to fly open.  He                                                                                                                                                                            
said that it had been required that such a feature be added to prevent                                                                                                                                                                          
one from becoming trapped in the event of an accident.                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  He's supposed to look for it, and told me to check back with him in a                                                                                                                                                                         
couple weeks.  I'll scan it if he finds it and I get a copy.  (...and                                                                                                                                                                           
if such a spot and document exist)                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
			-Steve <dmc@fdt.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Soon-to-be owner seeks opinions                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 18-Jun-99 11:11:12 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ryan,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
IMO a car with 62k would be a good car to buy.  It probably has all the                                                                                                                                                                         
updates and the bugs should be worked out.  I have a D w/ 101,000 miles and                                                                                                                                                                     
use it as a daily driver.  However, I have a back up just in case something                                                                                                                                                                     
goes wrong ('95 T/A that has come in handy)  The best advice I can give is                                                                                                                                                                      
to do all the work on the D yourself.  Don't take it to the local garages.                                                                                                                                                                      
(However, if you have a prob and  can send it to a DeLorean service center                                                                                                                                                                      
that's completely different.)  The D is an easy car to work on (I'm not a                                                                                                                                                                       
mechanic by any means so if I can work on it , anyone can) and I've found                                                                                                                                                                       
LOTS of things wrong with my D that was caused by 'local shops'.  (No flames                                                                                                                                                                    
please! I know that there are some good 'local shops' out there, I just                                                                                                                                                                         
can't seem to find one in my area)  Besides no one will take care of your                                                                                                                                                                       
car like yourself.  After I started fixing things myself, I haven't had any                                                                                                                                                                     
serious problems out of my D and it has become very dependable.  ( I should                                                                                                                                                                     
also pay homage to Scott Mueller for his help with my car as well)  The                                                                                                                                                                         
DeLorean has a large support group and if you have any problems, chances                                                                                                                                                                        
are, someone has had the same ones and can lead you in the right direction.                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hope this helps,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: Ryan McCaffrey <ryanjm@home.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                          
To: DeLorean Mailing List <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 10:58 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Subject: [DML] Soon-to-be owner seeks opinions                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Greetings everyone,                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Is it wise to buy a car with 62,000 miles on it?  What kind of mileage                                                                                                                                                                        
> do you guys have on your cars?  I've read of a couple of list members                                                                                                                                                                         
> with 200,000+ mile cars, but I'd like to know what the average DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                       
> owner has on his car and the extent of the car's reliability beyond the                                                                                                                                                                       
> big 100k.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Date: 18-Jun-99 14:58:01 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I just sent him some mail about it.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Would this design lend itself to being fabricated with Stainless                                                                                                                                                                                
Steel??  It would be a nice touch to have some Stainless inside the                                                                                                                                                                             
car.  Could you send me the design, and maybe I can find someone to make                                                                                                                                                                        
it a few (if anyone else is interested).                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
steve brodsky wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> call steve wynne at dmc. i provided him with a design for a cut-out with an                                                                                                                                                                   
> added reinforcing bar that works very well with my 82 and an alpine cd. he                                                                                                                                                                    
> can make you a new complete panel.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Soon-to-be owner seeks opinions                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 18-Jun-99 18:38:20 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ryan,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
A well maintained D at 60K miles is in its prime. My D has 260K miles and                                                                                                                                                                       
is still going strong.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Ryan McCaffrey <ryanjm@home.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> To: DeLorean Mailing List <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Subject: [DML] Soon-to-be owner seeks opinions                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 11:58 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Greetings everyone,                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I've been a lurker on the list for around 2 years now, watching and                                                                                                                                                                           
> learning.  I am finally ready, though, to break my silence and buy a D.                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Anyway, I'm currently looking into a car in Las Vegas.  Whatever car I                                                                                                                                                                        
> get, I will be driving it frequently.  It will be a daily driver, in                                                                                                                                                                          
> fact.  The D I'm looking at has 62k miles (verified to be actual                                                                                                                                                                              
> miles).  Disregarding the plethora of other questions regarding the                                                                                                                                                                           
> car's condition, etc. which need to be asked, my question to all of you                                                                                                                                                                       
> is this:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Is it wise to buy a car with 62,000 miles on it?  What kind of mileage                                                                                                                                                                        
> do you guys have on your cars?  I've read of a couple of list members                                                                                                                                                                         
> with 200,000+ mile cars, but I'd like to know what the average DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                       
> owner has on his car and the extent of the car's reliability beyond the                                                                                                                                                                       
> big 100k.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Also, does anyone live in Las Vegas that would be willing to be my eyes                                                                                                                                                                       
> and examine the car? (I know it's a lot to ask)  Or, does anyone know of                                                                                                                                                                      
> a shop in Vegas that has experience working on the D that I could have                                                                                                                                                                        
> the car inspected at?                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'd like to thank everyone in advance for their help, regarding both                                                                                                                                                                          
> this matter and any future questions I may have.  After witnessing the                                                                                                                                                                        
> support this group provides each other over the last two years, I know                                                                                                                                                                        
> for a fact that you are all awesome and I look forward to joining the                                                                                                                                                                         
> group as an owner.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'm not sure what kind of worth this thread would provide to the group                                                                                                                                                                        
> as a whole, so feel free to email me privately.                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Date: 18-Jun-99 18:49:11 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Steve,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
No mystery, here. He is talking about the inertia (impact) switch. The                                                                                                                                                                          
switch which is common to all cars with electric fuel pumps is designed to                                                                                                                                                                      
cut power to the fuel pump and unlock the doors in the event of an                                                                                                                                                                              
accident. The rubber mallet will only work on cars with defective switches.                                                                                                                                                                     
BTW the doors will not fly open, they'll just unlock.                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Steve <dmc@fdt.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 5:34 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I thought that the following tale may be of some interest to the list:                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> When I was at a local lock smith's shop to have one of Lee's blanks                                                                                                                                                                           
> (Excellent work lee, they look great!) cut, the locksmith told me that                                                                                                                                                                        
> he had found a document about a year prior to that that he had forgotten                                                                                                                                                                      
> about until then describing a point underneath the Delorean, that one                                                                                                                                                                         
> could rap with a rubber mallet and cause both doors to fly open.  He                                                                                                                                                                          
> said that it had been required that such a feature be added to prevent                                                                                                                                                                        
> one from becoming trapped in the event of an accident.                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>   He's supposed to look for it, and told me to check back with him in a                                                                                                                                                                       
> couple weeks.  I'll scan it if he finds it and I get a copy.  (...and                                                                                                                                                                         
> if such a spot and document exist)                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> 			-Steve <dmc@fdt.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 18-Jun-99 19:27:15 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
This isn't entirely true.  The DeLorean's doors can be opened enough if it's                                                                                                                                                                    
on its top so that a passenger can escape.  This is discussed in Popular                                                                                                                                                                        
Science's evaluation of the car in a 1981 issue.  I can't remember the exact                                                                                                                                                                    
month.  According to PS, the door and ground act as a lever and fulcrum                                                                                                                                                                         
allowing an average person to open the door to escape in the event of a roll                                                                                                                                                                    
over crash.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Custom Radio Plate?                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 18-Jun-99 21:18:51 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The design utilized a "stock" panel. The basic crux of the mod is the                                                                                                                                                                           
reinforcement panel. In order to install a DIN type unit, you have to machine a                                                                                                                                                                 
nice neat square opening for it. This is particularly difficult in that you have                                                                                                                                                                
to remove most of the panel between the radio and the AC louvers. This strip is                                                                                                                                                                 
so thin that even if you were able to keep from cutting all the way through, the                                                                                                                                                                
piece left between the louvers and the radio is so flimsy, it gives no support to                                                                                                                                                               
the top of the radio or the bottom of the louvers. This mod includes a support                                                                                                                                                                  
design that can be screwed/pop riveted to the dash panel and incorporates                                                                                                                                                                       
machined openings for the bottom tabs of the ac louvers.                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I considered making a drop in replacement with the openings cut and reinforced                                                                                                                                                                  
for radio conversions. Believe it or not, stainless steel would have been the                                                                                                                                                                   
least expensive, but an "original" style black, even in quantities of 100 would                                                                                                                                                                 
have to sell for at least $250.00 each. You can probably buy a modified one                                                                                                                                                                     
complete with radio from steve wynne for a much better price.                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Marc A Levy wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I just sent him some mail about it.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Would this design lend itself to being fabricated with Stainless                                                                                                                                                                              
> Steel??  It would be a nice touch to have some Stainless inside the                                                                                                                                                                           
> car.  Could you send me the design, and maybe I can find someone to make                                                                                                                                                                      
> it a few (if anyone else is interested).                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> steve brodsky wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > call steve wynne at dmc. i provided him with a design for a cut-out with an                                                                                                                                                                 
> > added reinforcing bar that works very well with my 82 and an alpine cd. he                                                                                                                                                                  
> > can make you a new complete panel.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > steve brodsky delorean #10688, bricklin #1509                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 19-Jun-99 0:08:24 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Jason,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As part of the design of the DeLorean doors a person of average build                                                                                                                                                                           
could open the doors enough to squeeze out of the car in the event of a                                                                                                                                                                         
roll over.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: Jason Perkins <jperkins@microsoft.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> To: 'dmcnews@egroups.com'                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:16 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> That explains why everytime I run over a small animal my doors fly open                                                                                                                                                                       
:-)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> Seriously, this wouldn't make much sense.  But it makes for good humor.                                                                                                                                                                       
If                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> the D was upside down (in the event of a crash), the doors couldn't open                                                                                                                                                                      
> anyways.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> -----Original Message-----                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> From: Steve [mailto:dmc@fdt.net]                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 5:34 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I thought that the following tale may be of some interest to the list:                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> When I was at a local lock smith's shop to have one of Lee's blanks                                                                                                                                                                           
> (Excellent work lee, they look great!) cut, the locksmith told me that                                                                                                                                                                        
> he had found a document about a year prior to that that he had forgotten                                                                                                                                                                      
> about until then describing a point underneath the Delorean, that one                                                                                                                                                                         
> could rap with a rubber mallet and cause both doors to fly open.  He                                                                                                                                                                          
> said that it had been required that such a feature be added to prevent                                                                                                                                                                        
> one from becoming trapped in the event of an accident.                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>   He's supposed to look for it, and told me to check back with him in a                                                                                                                                                                       
> couple weeks.  I'll scan it if he finds it and I get a copy.  (...and                                                                                                                                                                         
> if such a spot and document exist)                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> 			-Steve <dmc@fdt.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Re: Soon-to-be owner seeks opinions                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 19-Jun-99 1:30:19 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ryan,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Are you the person with the 88*MPH lisence plate?  I'd like to get that in CT                                                                                                                                                                   
but thought I'd ask you if it's OK with you.  Its the best one I've come across.                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Bob                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Duke wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Ryan,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> IMO a car with 62k would be a good car to buy.  It probably has all the                                                                                                                                                                       
> updates and the bugs should be worked out.  I have a D w/ 101,000 miles and                                                                                                                                                                   
> use it as a daily driver.  However, I have a back up just in case something                                                                                                                                                                   
> goes wrong ('95 T/A that has come in handy)  The best advice I can give is                                                                                                                                                                    
> to do all the work on the D yourself.  Don't take it to the local garages.                                                                                                                                                                    
> (However, if you have a prob and  can send it to a DeLorean service center                                                                                                                                                                    
> that's completely different.)  The D is an easy car to work on (I'm not a                                                                                                                                                                     
> mechanic by any means so if I can work on it , anyone can) and I've found                                                                                                                                                                     
> LOTS of things wrong with my D that was caused by 'local shops'.  (No flames                                                                                                                                                                  
> please! I know that there are some good 'local shops' out there, I just                                                                                                                                                                       
> can't seem to find one in my area)  Besides no one will take care of your                                                                                                                                                                     
> car like yourself.  After I started fixing things myself, I haven't had any                                                                                                                                                                   
> serious problems out of my D and it has become very dependable.  ( I should                                                                                                                                                                   
> also pay homage to Scott Mueller for his help with my car as well)  The                                                                                                                                                                       
> DeLorean has a large support group and if you have any problems, chances                                                                                                                                                                      
> are, someone has had the same ones and can lead you in the right direction.                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Hope this helps,                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Duke                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> ----- Original Message -----                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> From: Ryan McCaffrey <ryanjm@home.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> To: DeLorean Mailing List <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 10:58 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> Subject: [DML] Soon-to-be owner seeks opinions                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> > Greetings everyone,                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Is it wise to buy a car with 62,000 miles on it?  What kind of mileage                                                                                                                                                                      
> > do you guys have on your cars?  I've read of a couple of list members                                                                                                                                                                       
> > with 200,000+ mile cars, but I'd like to know what the average DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                     
> > owner has on his car and the extent of the car's reliability beyond the                                                                                                                                                                     
> > big 100k.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> > Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Ryan McCaffrey                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 19-Jun-99 11:36:19 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As far as the doors not being able to open when the DeLorean is overturned,                                                                                                                                                                     
just look at the picture of the D overturned by the MSU rioters on my                                                                                                                                                                           
website. (http://members.xoom.com/PipelineRecs/dmchome.html) The doors look                                                                                                                                                                     
like limp wings of a dead bird. At least it proves that the doors CAN open                                                                                                                                                                      
when the car is overturned, even if its just a little bit.                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: METZ@SMTP (Brian Metz) {metz.50@osu.edu}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Subject: [DML] Re: Another Delorean Tale                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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 >No mystery, here. He is talking about the inertia (impact) switch. The                                                                                                                                                                        
>switch which is common to all cars with electric fuel pumps is designed to                                                                                                                                                                     
>cut power to the fuel pump and unlock the doors in the event of an                                                                                                                                                                             
>accident. The rubber mallet will only work on cars with defective switches.                                                                                                                                                                    
>BTW the doors will not fly open, they'll just unlock.                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
QUESTION: Is this only when the ignition is on?  I hate to think that                                                                                                                                                                           
someone could jar or hit my car and the doors would just unlock.  I realize                                                                                                                                                                     
that it have to be a significant impact to trip the inertia switch, but                                                                                                                                                                         
nonetheless could it happen?                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Brian                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Vin 16584                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       






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