DeLorean Mailing List - June 1999 - Week #1

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Subject: [DML] D Quality question                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 1-Jun-99 0:48:56 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have heard from various sources that DeLoreans built during 10/81-12/81                                                                                                                                                                       
were higher quality than other build months.  In SSI, it mentions that                                                                                                                                                                          
during 11/81 production was DOUBLED from 40 to 80 cars per day.  This being                                                                                                                                                                     
the case, I'd expect DeLorean quality to decline since not as much time                                                                                                                                                                         
could be spent on each car....Am I right about this or totally wrong??                                                                                                                                                                          
Please let me know                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Christopher Mack                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Date: 1-Jun-99 11:40:47 +0100                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>Anyone have any other ideas for the skipping? Vac?                                                                                                                                                                                             
>jets? valves? plugs? wires? some little black box hiding under the body ina place where only a trained rat can get to?                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
I am sure that there are plenty of reasons for this, but speaking from personal experience, I had identical symptoms, and it was the wires.  One of the plug boots was not seated properly.                                                     
As far as I know, the intake must be removed to get at the rotor (I tried and failed to do it with the intake left in place).  I managed to change the plugs once without taking it off, but in retrospect, I think I would just take it off nex
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Eric                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Mike wrote:</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                        
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>&gt;Anyone have any other ideas for the                                                                                                                                                                         
skipping? Vac?<BR>&gt;jets? valves? plugs? wires? some little black box hiding                                                                                                                                                                  
under the body ina place where only a trained rat can get to?<BR></FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                  
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Mike,</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                              
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I am sure that there are plenty of reasons for                                                                                                                                                                  
this, but speaking from personal experience, I had identical symptoms, and it                                                                                                                                                                   
was the wires.&nbsp; One of the plug boots was not seated properly.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>As far as I know, the intake must be removed to                                                                                                                                                                 
get at the rotor (I tried and failed to do it with the intake left in                                                                                                                                                                           
place).&nbsp; I managed to change the plugs once without taking it off, but in                                                                                                                                                                  
retrospect, I think I would just take it off next time.&nbsp; For the added bit                                                                                                                                                                 
of effort, it saves so much hassle, and lets you do the job                                                                                                                                                                                     
properly.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Good luck</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                          
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Eric</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 1-Jun-99 13:36:16 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Kayo asked:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 <f16babbf.2484a90-@aol.com> wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=796                                                                                                                                                                               
> In a message dated 5/31/99 10:18:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,                                                                                                                                                                                 
> Mike,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I am kind of lost in this area.  What is a long and short block in the PVR                                                                                                                                                                    
> engine?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> I thought there is one engine used only.  What is the difference when it                                                                                                                                                                      
> comes to power output?  What is the cost?  I maybe interested.                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Kayo Ong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In gearhead-speak, a "short block" refers to an engine assembly consisting of the block, crankshaft, and pistons all put together. A "long block" refers to the whole engine, cylinder heads, waterpump, and all, but probably without intake ma
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It is best to ask, different people have different definitions.                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
They all refer to the same PRV engine, just more or less of it.                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: D Quality question                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 1-Jun-99 8:52:15 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Christopher                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
After 17 and a half years the larger variables are                                                                                                                                                                                              
the previous owners.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Christopher Mack <cjmack@jps.net> on 06/01/99 02:48:56 AM                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject:  [DML] D Quality question                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have heard from various sources that DeLoreans built during 10/81-12/81                                                                                                                                                                       
were higher quality than other build months.  In SSI, it mentions that                                                                                                                                                                          
during 11/81 production was DOUBLED from 40 to 80 cars per day.  This being                                                                                                                                                                     
the case, I'd expect DeLorean quality to decline since not as much time                                                                                                                                                                         
could be spent on each car....Am I right about this or totally wrong??                                                                                                                                                                          
Please let me know                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Christopher Mack                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 1-Jun-99 10:21:58 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You are correct. Short block is without the heads, long block is with the heads. ---Dan                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: 	[DML] Re: Delorean Engines for Sale                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kayo asked:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 <f16babbf.2484a90-@aol.com> wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=796                                                                                                                                                                               
> In a message dated 5/31/99 10:18:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,                                                                                                                                                                                 
> Mike,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I am kind of lost in this area.  What is a long and short block in the PVR                                                                                                                                                                    
> engine?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> I thought there is one engine used only.  What is the difference when it                                                                                                                                                                      
> comes to power output?  What is the cost?  I maybe interested.                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Kayo Ong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In gearhead-speak, a "short block" refers to an engine assembly consisting of the block, crankshaft, and pistons all put together. A "long block" refers to the whole engine, cylinder heads, waterpump, and all, but probably without intake ma
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It is best to ask, different people have different definitions.                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
They all refer to the same PRV engine, just more or less of it.                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] D For Sale                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 1-Jun-99 18:09:27 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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<html>Due to a change in plans beyond my control, it looks like I'm going to be forced to get rid of my D.  What can you do... things happen.  I would like to see it go to a good home...<br>                                                  
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Here's the info on it...<br>                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
81 (No Gas Flap)<br>                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
98K Miles<br>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Stick<br>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
VIN #3705<br>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
See pics at <a href="http://24.2.178.159">http://24.2.178.159</a><br>                                                                                                                                                                           
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That is as soon as the power comes back on at my home (transformer blew on the street today)<br>                                                                                                                                                
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I'm looking to get 13K Firm as I just put in a few thousand dollars worth of work in it.  Since the work its turned into a pretty reliable daily driver. For any more details please email me direct at raymckay@home.net.  The car and I are lo
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Subject: [DML] Sun Protection Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 1-Jun-99 11:34:38 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi Everyone                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 Well after 3years in my closet, I finaly installed my new dash which I had                                                                                                                                                                     
picked up at the Ohio/KAPAC gathering Oct 96 (new binnacle included). Now I                                                                                                                                                                     
want to protect them as best I can (short of driving overcast only days)                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have seen the posts about the dash-mat protector avaliable from Dashmat. I                                                                                                                                                                    
saw one in a car at Aspen 2 yrs ago. It looks nice an all but I don't really                                                                                                                                                                    
care for the material they use. It has no apparent backing to speak of and                                                                                                                                                                      
carpet is fairly porous in density. Too me this is fine for hiding damage                                                                                                                                                                       
but not so good for protecting against it. Does any one know of another                                                                                                                                                                         
availiable source that they might consider better? Possibly one that doesn't                                                                                                                                                                    
have a glove box flap (too me they look tacky) or corners that curl up.                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Also at the Nashville Expo I noticed some folks had custom sun shades for                                                                                                                                                                       
their windshields. One type was external it rolled out flat on the                                                                                                                                                                              
windshield with excess material that was tucked inside the door openings                                                                                                                                                                        
then closed to hold in place. I like this the best. The other was a folded                                                                                                                                                                      
type inside the car made of a silvery material double sided. Does anyone                                                                                                                                                                        
know if either of these are still avaliable and who to contact.                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks in advance                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dennis    GULLWNG 5180                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Quality Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 1-Jun-99 15:35:41 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Christopher Mack said:                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I have heard from various sources that DeLoreans                                                                                                                                                                                              
> built during 10/81-12/81 were higher quality than                                                                                                                                                                                             
> other build months.  In SSI, it mentions that during                                                                                                                                                                                          
> 11/81 production was DOUBLED from 40 to 80                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> cars per day.  This being the case, I'd expect DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                                       
> quality to decline since not as much time could be                                                                                                                                                                                            
> spent on each car....Am I right about this or totally                                                                                                                                                                                         
> wrong?? Please let me know                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Where did you hear this? I believe it is absolutely wrong.  I have heard                                                                                                                                                                        
the opposite, that these cars had pretty LOW initial quality due to the                                                                                                                                                                         
production rate increase.  Either way, after 18 years initial quality is                                                                                                                                                                        
just a bit of historical trivia. It has little to do with the cars as                                                                                                                                                                           
you see them today.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As I understand it, the increased production rate did not reduce the                                                                                                                                                                            
labor attention given to each car.  When they increased production, DMC                                                                                                                                                                         
hired more workers.  It is the learning curve of the new workers that                                                                                                                                                                           
might have caused initial quality to slip.  How well these initial                                                                                                                                                                              
quality problems were corrected at the QACs could be a good subject for                                                                                                                                                                         
discussion.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Either way, there is no compelling reason to use the build year/month as                                                                                                                                                                        
a deciding factor when buying a DeLorean.                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
IMHO it is a foolish DeLorean buyer who sets such rules for                                                                                                                                                                                     
himself/herself.  Anyone who says: "I won't look at any November '81                                                                                                                                                                            
DeLoreans because of their poor quality," or "I won't look at any May                                                                                                                                                                           
'81 DeLoreans because they have Ducillier alternators," or even "I will                                                                                                                                                                         
only look at low mileage DeLoreans because their engines will be in the                                                                                                                                                                         
best shape," is doing themselves more harm than good.                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You might as well say: "I will never buy any DeLorean because the oil in                                                                                                                                                                        
the crank case must be 18 years old by now!"                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Call me crazy, but after 18 years someone has probably changed that                                                                                                                                                                             
oil.  That is what you need to find out.  All you can tell from the                                                                                                                                                                             
build month/year is what questions to ask the previous owner.                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There is no substitute for doing your homework.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
- Mike Substelny                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-Jun-99 16:14:09 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dennis,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I use the fold up sunshade you described in my DMC.  I got mine at Walmart.                                                                                                                                                                     
I think it costs $12.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-Jun-99 16:22:44 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dennis,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have the Dashmat cover.  I had it on my car for the last year and a half.                                                                                                                                                                     
It stills looks brand new and I drive my car everyday and park out in the                                                                                                                                                                       
sun.  No fade or discoloration.  For $40.00 it is okay.  There are better                                                                                                                                                                       
ones made but they cost more, the price reflects the material used.  I think                                                                                                                                                                    
you can make the investment with confidence.                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Take note, that a thick material will make the dash look "heavier" and retain                                                                                                                                                                   
the sun's heat longer which may "bake" the pattern onto the dash itself.                                                                                                                                                                        
That is the complaint with owners of thicker dash covers.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Custom Delorean Speaker Box.                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-Jun-99 16:26:47 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Has anyone had any success building a speaker box for the shelf behind                                                                                                                                                                          
the rear seat?  I realize that there are pre-made boxes that will kinda                                                                                                                                                                         
fit, but I have been trying to build one myself.  The box I have                                                                                                                                                                                
designed has NO 90deg angles, and with my poor carpentry skills, it has                                                                                                                                                                         
been a tough project.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
How much interest would there be if I were to find a shop that would                                                                                                                                                                            
made a high quality custom speaker box for the DMC?  It would be just a                                                                                                                                                                         
box, you put your own drivers in and hook up your own amplifiers.  A                                                                                                                                                                            
price guess would be in the $150-$200 range.                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-Jun-99 20:45:53 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
    I have run into a problem with my 81 Delorean and run out of ideas for trouble shooting. The engine had been running great,easy starting and lots of power(for a Delorean). Yesterday while returning from a short trip out of town I notice
    I have checked all the vacum hoses and the connections.  The fuses are all good and have good clean contacts. The fuel tank had been pulled last year and cleaned out and all the parts in the tank replaced (filter screen,pick up tube and
    The engine has spark at the plugs and the plugs are not fouled. The fuel pump is engaging and running. I filled up all three cars on the same day at the same gas station and the other two are running fine,which should rule out bad fuel.
    As it stands now the engine will start very quickly and then just dies out with the rpm dropping off. When the gas pedal is held down the engine will stay running at about 2000 to 2500 rpm. The idle micro switch is working and the idle 
     The only work I've done over the last three month is top off the A/C with freon. Any ideas?                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
    Thanks Richard J.Myosky                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-Jun-99 16:45:41 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Also at the Nashville Expo I noticed some folks had custom sun shades for                                                                                                                                                                     
> their windshields.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The folding type inside the car are custom made for each make of car.                                                                                                                                                                           
They're listed in the J.C. Whitney catalogs and work great. Check the                                                                                                                                                                           
DeLorean shops for dash mats. I got mine several years ago from one of them                                                                                                                                                                     
at an DOA Expo from, I belive it was, DeLorean one.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: D Quality question                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 1-Jun-99 18:08:11 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Christopher,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Good question. According to our VIN vs. Frequency of Repairs records there                                                                                                                                                                      
is some truth to this statement. The answer is "rhythm". The cars with the                                                                                                                                                                      
more frequent problems were the early cars. As the numbers increased the                                                                                                                                                                        
quality improved. The factory workers were known to be meticulous, they                                                                                                                                                                         
wanted every car to be "right". When production was increased the factory                                                                                                                                                                       
and the workers were ready. So during the time the factory was at "full                                                                                                                                                                         
bore" the build quality was quite good.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
BTW: The cars with the most problems were the ones left idle "on the line"                                                                                                                                                                      
when the factory would shut down and re-start, days or in some cases,                                                                                                                                                                           
months later.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: Christopher Mack <cjmack@jps.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] D Quality question                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 3:48 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I have heard from various sources that DeLoreans built during 10/81-12/81                                                                                                                                                                     
> were higher quality than other build months.  In SSI, it mentions that                                                                                                                                                                        
> during 11/81 production was DOUBLED from 40 to 80 cars per day.  This                                                                                                                                                                         
being                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> the case, I'd expect DeLorean quality to decline since not as much time                                                                                                                                                                       
> could be spent on each car....Am I right about this or totally wrong??                                                                                                                                                                        
> Please let me know                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Thanks                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: dmcnews digest                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 1-Jun-99 18:10:56 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
hi all..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
this topic has probably already been addressed, but i don't remember seeing                                                                                                                                                                     
it in the past 6 months that i have been on the list.                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
is there a cross reference for brake rotors (original parts are quite                                                                                                                                                                           
expensive)?  i will be taking posession of my '82 in august, and the brakes                                                                                                                                                                     
seem to pulse a little too much for my liking..                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
thanks..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 1-Jun-99 21:06:01 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Richard, check your distributer and ignition timing. If the distributer was loose and turned might give you these simptoms.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dave                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
rjm@lrbcg.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>  The engine had been running great,easy starting and lots of power(for a Delorean). Yesterday while returning from a short trip out of town I noticed a decrease in power during accelration. Then the engine started to miss at idle while at
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-Jun-99 21:08:31 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dennis,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
You're right; the porous materiel of the Dash-Mat allows UV's to pass                                                                                                                                                                           
through, this is because the materiel is designed to allow sound to pass                                                                                                                                                                        
through from dash mounted speakers. I don't really care for the external                                                                                                                                                                        
windshield unit for many obvious reasons. The silver coated interior type                                                                                                                                                                       
is the best, it not only protects the dash but keeps the car much cooler                                                                                                                                                                        
when exposed to the sun.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Because of the excessive height of the DeLorean windshield you will need to                                                                                                                                                                     
find a model that will reach the visors, Kmart and Pep Boys sometimes stock                                                                                                                                                                     
these bigger units.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You mentioned the glove box flap, did you know that if you order the                                                                                                                                                                            
Dash-Mat unit you can request "no glove box flap". Dash-Mat does not stock                                                                                                                                                                      
low volume models like the one for the DeLorean. When you call in an order                                                                                                                                                                      
they go to a CAD computer, select a code, and the mat is cut to spec. If                                                                                                                                                                        
you request it, they will tell the computer not to cut the flap.                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: dcsj@excite.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Sun Protection Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 2:34 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Hi Everyone                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>  Well after 3years in my closet, I finaly installed my new dash which I                                                                                                                                                                       
had                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> picked up at the Ohio/KAPAC gathering Oct 96 (new binnacle included). Now                                                                                                                                                                     
I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> want to protect them as best I can (short of driving overcast only days)                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I have seen the posts about the dash-mat protector avaliable from                                                                                                                                                                             
Dashmat. I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
> saw one in a car at Aspen 2 yrs ago. It looks nice an all but I don't                                                                                                                                                                         
really                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> care for the material they use. It has no apparent backing to speak of                                                                                                                                                                        
and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> carpet is fairly porous in density. Too me this is fine for hiding damage                                                                                                                                                                     
> but not so good for protecting against it. Does any one know of another                                                                                                                                                                       
> availiable source that they might consider better? Possibly one that                                                                                                                                                                          
doesn't                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> have a glove box flap (too me they look tacky) or corners that curl up.                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Also at the Nashville Expo I noticed some folks had custom sun shades for                                                                                                                                                                     
> their windshields. One type was external it rolled out flat on the                                                                                                                                                                            
> windshield with excess material that was tucked inside the door openings                                                                                                                                                                      
> then closed to hold in place. I like this the best. The other was a                                                                                                                                                                           
folded                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> type inside the car made of a silvery material double sided. Does anyone                                                                                                                                                                      
> know if either of these are still avaliable and who to contact.                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Thanks in advance                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Dennis    GULLWNG 5180                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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From: DSWINGLE@SMTP (David Swingle) {dswingle@enteract.com}                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] re: Brake Rotors                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 1-Jun-99 19:45:16 -0600                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The only thing ever mentioned on the DML has been a source for                                                                                                                                                                                  
cross-drilled rotors. I suppose you could get this place to NOT drill                                                                                                                                                                           
them.  Cross drilled rotors (this will probably start another debate) are                                                                                                                                                                       
not normally recommended for street driving due to shortened service                                                                                                                                                                            
life, higher corrosion rate etc.. They are kind of neat looking, though,                                                                                                                                                                        
and in theory cool faster. You commonly see them on high performance                                                                                                                                                                            
bikes and race cars.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
This address is several years old, let us know how it comes out. Not much                                                                                                                                                                       
of a savings.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Auto Specialty 	EBR424R, EBR424L	1-800-275-3617 Ask for Matt Weiss $120 ea                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: engine will not stay running/speaker box                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-Jun-99 21:45:57 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I had this same problem. After replacing the injectors, my D ran fine for                                                                                                                                                                       
about a month. The cause was water in the tank. I didn't get it from bad gas,                                                                                                                                                                   
I got it from not having the rubber cover on the fuel pump. Something one                                                                                                                                                                       
does not look for when buying a car.  My car was not inside and the rain                                                                                                                                                                        
runoff had leaked into the tank.Check the back issues of Delorean World,                                                                                                                                                                        
(Fall1987) in it you will find how to install a plenum drain baffle to keep                                                                                                                                                                     
the water that runs off the windsheild from getting anywhere near your fuel                                                                                                                                                                     
pump cover. Check the rubber fuel pump cover first, make sure it is water                                                                                                                                                                       
tight. Then follow the instructions on how to install this homemade item. DMC                                                                                                                                                                   
Joe may disagree on what is wrong with your car but the way you describe it,                                                                                                                                                                    
sounds like my old nightmare. A happy ending to this story is that after                                                                                                                                                                        
making the repairs to the fuel system, my D has no fuel related problems.                                                                                                                                                                       
As for the speaker box, contact Rob at PJ's. He had in his car what I called                                                                                                                                                                    
speaker-zilla. Dont know if he sells it or just made it for his own ride but                                                                                                                                                                    
it looked and sounded great!                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Bruce Battles                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Vin# 6569                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 1-Jun-99 21:53:50 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kayo,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
I am a full supporter of Dash Mat. I bought mine back around 87 or 88.                                                                                                                                                                          
After about two to three years of use I noticed that my gray dash was                                                                                                                                                                           
starting to turn brown. The fact is that there is no UV protection. The                                                                                                                                                                         
carpet materiel is porous to allow dash speaker sound transmission. So I                                                                                                                                                                        
think owners need to be aware of this.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
BTW I still have the mat installed in my 260k mile D.                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: KayoOng@aol.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:22 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Dennis,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I have the Dashmat cover.  I had it on my car for the last year and a                                                                                                                                                                         
half.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> It stills looks brand new and I drive my car everyday and park out in the                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> sun.  No fade or discoloration.  For $40.00 it is okay.  There are better                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> ones made but they cost more, the price reflects the material used.  I                                                                                                                                                                        
think                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> you can make the investment with confidence.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Take note, that a thick material will make the dash look "heavier" and                                                                                                                                                                        
retain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> the sun's heat longer which may "bake" the pattern onto the dash itself.                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> That is the complaint with owners of thicker dash covers.                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 1-Jun-99 22:06:23 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Richard,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Sounds like your engine is suffering from fuel starvation. The first thing                                                                                                                                                                      
to do is pull the fuel pump and inspect its position and the position of                                                                                                                                                                        
the pick up hose. Also check to be sure that the fuel baffle has not become                                                                                                                                                                     
detached from the bottom of the tank. For further assistance you may e mail                                                                                                                                                                     
directly.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: rjm@lrbcg.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> To: dmcnews@eGroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:45 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>     I have run into a problem with my 81 Delorean and run out of ideas                                                                                                                                                                        
for trouble shooting. The engine had been running great,easy starting and                                                                                                                                                                       
lots of power(for a Delorean). Yesterday while returning from a short trip                                                                                                                                                                      
out of town I noticed a decrease in power during accelration. Then the                                                                                                                                                                          
engine started to miss at idle while at a light or intersection. This                                                                                                                                                                           
morning I made a short trip (2 miles) to the Post Office and the car was                                                                                                                                                                        
running worse,missing and low power. When I pulled into the driveway the                                                                                                                                                                        
engine stalled and now will not stay running.                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>     I have checked all the vacum hoses and the connections.  The fuses                                                                                                                                                                        
are all good and have good clean contacts. The fuel tank had been pulled                                                                                                                                                                        
last year and cleaned out and all the parts in the tank replaced (filter                                                                                                                                                                        
screen,pick up tube and fuel pump).  All the relays in the system have been                                                                                                                                                                     
replaced over the last 6 months.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>     The engine has spark at the plugs and the plugs are not fouled. The                                                                                                                                                                       
fuel pump is engaging and running. I filled up all three cars on the same                                                                                                                                                                       
day at the same gas station and the other two are running fine,which should                                                                                                                                                                     
rule out bad fuel.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>     As it stands now the engine will start very quickly and then just                                                                                                                                                                         
dies out with the rpm dropping off. When the gas pedal is held down the                                                                                                                                                                         
engine will stay running at about 2000 to 2500 rpm. The idle micro switch                                                                                                                                                                       
is working and the idle regulator is humming along(this is a new unit                                                                                                                                                                           
replaced 4 months ago).                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>      The only work I've done over the last three month is top off the A/C                                                                                                                                                                     
with freon. Any ideas?                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>     Thanks Richard J.Myosky                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>            vin-#4419                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 1-Jun-99 23:25:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Try the ignition module, that might work. Normally, if it's toast, then the                                                                                                                                                                     
car won't stay running unless you keep working the accellerator.                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 1-Jun-99 22:32:47 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
check for a loose or corroded connection on the ballast resistor (left side of fire wall under hinge)                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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rjm@lrbcg.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>     I have run into a problem with my 81 Delorean and run out of ideas for trouble shooting. The engine had been running great,easy starting and lots of power(for a Delorean). Yesterday while returning from a short trip out of town I noti
>     I have checked all the vacum hoses and the connections.  The fuses are all good and have good clean contacts. The fuel tank had been pulled last year and cleaned out and all the parts in the tank replaced (filter screen,pick up tube a
>     The engine has spark at the plugs and the plugs are not fouled. The fuel pump is engaging and running. I filled up all three cars on the same day at the same gas station and the other two are running fine,which should rule out bad fue
>     As it stands now the engine will start very quickly and then just dies out with the rpm dropping off. When the gas pedal is held down the engine will stay running at about 2000 to 2500 rpm. The idle micro switch is working and the idl
>      The only work I've done over the last three month is top off the A/C with freon. Any ideas?                                                                                                                                              
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>     Thanks Richard J.Myosky                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>            vin-#4419                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Northern California DeLorean Gathering                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 1-Jun-99 22:39:22 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The Northern California DeLorean Motor Club (NCDMC) will be having a                                                                                                                                                                            
gathering on Sunday, June 13th in Concord.                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The location is:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The El Torito restaurant                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
1961 Diamond Blvd                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Concord	(925) 798-7660                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The El Torito is located in the Willows Shopping Center off of Willow                                                                                                                                                                           
Pass Road at Highway 680. You can see it from the freeway on the east                                                                                                                                                                           
side of the highway.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
We'll be discussing activities for the club, such as road trips to                                                                                                                                                                              
scenic locations, overnighters to the coast and Lake Tahoe, trips to the                                                                                                                                                                        
wine country and car shows in our area. As a reward for attending, I                                                                                                                                                                            
have a piece of original DeLorean memorabilia for every owner. E-mail me                                                                                                                                                                        
if you can come. I'll need to let the restaurant know about how many                                                                                                                                                                            
people will be coming. I'll make the reservation to seat us at 9:30 when                                                                                                                                                                        
the restaurant opens, so please be prompt.                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Come on out even if you can't bring your car. We'll start with                                                                                                                                                                                  
breakfast/brunch and then get our cars lined up for a photo shoot. If                                                                                                                                                                           
enough people attend we'll caravan to one of the local scenic locations.                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've been trying to find every DeLorean owner in the Northern California                                                                                                                                                                        
area. Membership is free. We've had 2 'meets' so far. We are planning                                                                                                                                                                           
tours, tech sessions, and perhaps we'll even host a larger event. If                                                                                                                                                                            
you'd like to join in just let me know. Soon we'll have our own web site                                                                                                                                                                        
for club information and announcements and a message board. Having a                                                                                                                                                                            
lack of DeLorean service facilities in our area makes it all the more                                                                                                                                                                           
important for us to band                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
together.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If you like to see some photos from our 'meets', check out my web                                                                                                                                                                               
site and the NCDMC website at:                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
http://members.tripod.com/ncdmc                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ken Montgomery                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: DMCJOE@SMTP (DMC Joe) {DMCJOE@att.net}                                                                                                                                                                                                    
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Subject: [DML] Re: Custom Delorean Speaker Box.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 2-Jun-99 1:47:26 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Marc,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Your heart is certainly in the right place, but be aware that quality                                                                                                                                                                           
speaker cabinets are designed with the aid of highly sophisticated                                                                                                                                                                              
computers and other state of the art techniques. To match the low end                                                                                                                                                                           
response of today's digitally produced music every facet is taken into                                                                                                                                                                          
account, i.e.: speaker size, wattage, interior air volume, height, width,                                                                                                                                                                       
angle, base ports or not, construction materials, fasteners, glues,                                                                                                                                                                             
acoustical damping materials, and more. You may be able to construct a box                                                                                                                                                                      
that looks right, but to make it sound right is a much bigger challenge.                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Oddly enough many years ago I bought a speaker box for my DeLorean. It was                                                                                                                                                                      
the perfect size with a low profile. It held four 8" speakers and sounded                                                                                                                                                                       
great. When we converted the car to a BTTF show car we removed the speaker                                                                                                                                                                      
to make room  for the "flux capacitor".  The cabinet which is covered in a                                                                                                                                                                      
gray felt material is sitting on a shelf in our storage area.                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> To: DMC News <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> Subject: [DML] Custom Delorean Speaker Box.                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 4:26 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Has anyone had any success building a speaker box for the shelf behind                                                                                                                                                                        
> the rear seat?  I realize that there are pre-made boxes that will kinda                                                                                                                                                                       
> fit, but I have been trying to build one myself.  The box I have                                                                                                                                                                              
> designed has NO 90deg angles, and with my poor carpentry skills, it has                                                                                                                                                                       
> been a tough project.                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> How much interest would there be if I were to find a shop that would                                                                                                                                                                          
> made a high quality custom speaker box for the DMC?  It would be just a                                                                                                                                                                       
> box, you put your own drivers in and hook up your own amplifiers.  A                                                                                                                                                                          
> price guess would be in the $150-$200 range.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions (Seats)                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 2-Jun-99 1:54:00 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
While on this subject I was wondering what different types of protections                                                                                                                                                                       
people use for thier seats.  I know to treat them with Lexol and other                                                                                                                                                                          
leather products works well.  However I am thinking of getting covers for                                                                                                                                                                       
mine that I can remove when I want to, however I would like to have them on                                                                                                                                                                     
to avoid the scratches and knicks that sometimes occur to the seats when                                                                                                                                                                        
climbing in and out.  Since the seats are so expensive to replace I want to                                                                                                                                                                     
try to preserve them as best I can.  I have heard about factory sheepskin                                                                                                                                                                       
covers?  Are there such things.  I would be interested to hear other owners                                                                                                                                                                     
solutions.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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VIN 3360                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: LANCEH@SMTP (Lance R Haslewood) {lanceh@zeta.org.au}                                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] AUSSIE GM DAY                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 2-Jun-99 21:03:20 +1000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Was hoping to enter our DeLorean in the "All Holden" day on August 1 at                                                                                                                                                                         
Richmond, New South Wales, Australia, but was told that the DeLorean would                                                                                                                                                                      
not get past the gate.  The Holden is a car produced by GM Australia and                                                                                                                                                                        
the show is solely for Holdens.  Rather disappointing, to say the least.                                                                                                                                                                        
The organisers are probably worried that the 'D' will steal the show!!!  If                                                                                                                                                                     
anyone is interested, they can check out the latest range of Holdens at                                                                                                                                                                         
www.holden.com.au and www.hsv.com.au.  HSV meaning Holden Special Vehicles.                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lance                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Australia                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] 1999 Ohio Show Information?                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: 2-Jun-99 8:25:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Anyone know where I can find information on this year's Ohio show?  (It                                                                                                                                                                         
should be coming up soon, isn't it?)                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: MALEVY@SMTP (Marc A Levy) {malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com}                                                                                                                                                                                     
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Custom Delorean Speaker Box.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 2-Jun-99 9:46:06 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In the past I have worked in the car audio industry, and I am familiar                                                                                                                                                                          
with the variables associated with speaker design.  I have some computer                                                                                                                                                                        
software, and access to advanced MCAD systems for design.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Does your box for four 8" speakers cover the rear window?  Is is a                                                                                                                                                                              
Isobaric design?  Is it for sale?                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Marc,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> Your heart is certainly in the right place, but be aware that quality                                                                                                                                                                         
> speaker cabinets are designed with the aid of highly sophisticated                                                                                                                                                                            
> computers and other state of the art techniques. To match the low end                                                                                                                                                                         
> response of today's digitally produced music every facet is taken into                                                                                                                                                                        
> account, i.e.: speaker size, wattage, interior air volume, height, width,                                                                                                                                                                     
> angle, base ports or not, construction materials, fasteners, glues,                                                                                                                                                                           
> acoustical damping materials, and more. You may be able to construct a box                                                                                                                                                                    
> that looks right, but to make it sound right is a much bigger challenge.                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Oddly enough many years ago I bought a speaker box for my DeLorean. It was                                                                                                                                                                    
> the perfect size with a low profile. It held four 8" speakers and sounded                                                                                                                                                                     
> great. When we converted the car to a BTTF show car we removed the speaker                                                                                                                                                                    
> to make room  for the "flux capacitor".  The cabinet which is covered in a                                                                                                                                                                    
> gray felt material is sitting on a shelf in our storage area.                                                                                                                                                                                 
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: DMC1219@SMTP (Richard Strecker) {dmc1219@one.net}                                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Re: 1999 Ohio Show Information?                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 2-Jun-99 10:31:53 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Steve,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
No, there is not an Ohio show this year.  The plan is for a show in                                                                                                                                                                             
Cleveland in 2000.  Ken Koncelik & I will be publishing details in the                                                                                                                                                                          
VERY near future.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
At one time I had heard rumors of a last sale at the DMC warehouse in                                                                                                                                                                           
Columbus before the inventory was moved to Houston.  I don't know what                                                                                                                                                                          
is really happening with that.                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: STIEFEL@SMTP (Jack Stiefel) {Stiefel@bladerunnertackle.com}                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Custom Delorean Speaker Box.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 2-Jun-99 11:23:31 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I am in the process of having one custom made for my deck.  I have a stock                                                                                                                                                                      
one in there now, but am not happy with the way it looks.  My local dealer                                                                                                                                                                      
said he can do one for me using my subs and 6x9's for around $100.00.  He                                                                                                                                                                       
said he will be able to match the carpet very well and it should look as                                                                                                                                                                        
close to stock as possible.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
just my 2 cents                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Jack Stiefel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
President Blade Runner Tackle Corporation                                                                                                                                                                                                       
President Leslie Leasing Corporation                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Visit us at: http://www.bladerunnertackle.com                                                                                                                                                                                                   
or my DeLorean page at:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html                                                                                                                                                                                          
Ny Lic # 1981 DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                   
To: DMC News <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 9:23 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Subject: [DML] Custom Delorean Speaker Box.                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>Has anyone had any success building a speaker box for the shelf behind                                                                                                                                                                         
>the rear seat?  I realize that there are pre-made boxes that will kinda                                                                                                                                                                        
>fit, but I have been trying to build one myself.  The box I have                                                                                                                                                                               
>designed has NO 90deg angles, and with my poor carpentry skills, it has                                                                                                                                                                        
>been a tough project.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>How much interest would there be if I were to find a shop that would                                                                                                                                                                           
>made a high quality custom speaker box for the DMC?  It would be just a                                                                                                                                                                        
>box, you put your own drivers in and hook up your own amplifiers.  A                                                                                                                                                                           
>price guess would be in the $150-$200 range.                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Re: Sun Protection Questions (Seats)                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 2-Jun-99 14:02:58 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Gary,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There were sheepskin seat covers that was sold for the DeLorean cars, I am                                                                                                                                                                      
not sure if they are still available from any the DeLorean suppliers or                                                                                                                                                                         
independent seat manufacturers.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I purchased a set three years ago from DeLorean One.  They are a very good in                                                                                                                                                                   
quality.  They are thick, equal shades in color and well assembled.  NOT                                                                                                                                                                        
CHEAP, they are costly.                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
They do help to keep the original seat covers from further deterioration.  It                                                                                                                                                                   
also help the seat from becoming frying hot from the sun and the bone                                                                                                                                                                           
chilling feeling from the cold temperatures. It also provides a cushion, that                                                                                                                                                                   
will boost you in the height when you are seated.  It will give you a nice                                                                                                                                                                      
"new"contour and comfort to you as the driver as well as to the passenger,                                                                                                                                                                      
whereby the original seats will not.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The sheepskin covers is the well worth the money.  Many DMLers feel that it                                                                                                                                                                     
makes the interior looks "gordy" destroys the "futuristic" look.  My opinion                                                                                                                                                                    
by experiences?  Go a a long trip for five hours or longer, with and without                                                                                                                                                                    
them for and you will understand which way you want to go.  As they used to                                                                                                                                                                     
say: "try it, you will like it!"                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Right angle drive                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 2-Jun-99 15:18:33 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I was just wondering before I call and order a new right angle drive if                                                                                                                                                                         
anyone had one for sale???   Please email me directly if anyone can help.                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 2-Jun-99 16:31:20 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DO NOT SERVICE THE IGNITION MODULE. The failure rate for this component is                                                                                                                                                                      
less than 1%. These units virtually last forever. They either work or don't                                                                                                                                                                     
work. If the engine is missing the problem is elsewhere.                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> Subject: [DML] Re: Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 11:25 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Try the ignition module, that might work. Normally, if it's toast, then                                                                                                                                                                       
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> car won't stay running unless you keep working the accellerator.                                                                                                                                                                              
> Good Luck                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] DeLorean Worker Belfast                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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On the subject of D M C production in 1981.                                                                                                                                                                                                     
<BR>When the factory first opened and started producing cars we worked                                                                                                                                                                          
from 8am.to 5.30pm.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
<BR>When the factory was up and running they started an Nightshift hence                                                                                                                                                                        
doubling the output.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
<BR>I doubt if they ever produced even 40 car a day and that is including                                                                                                                                                                       
the Nightshift.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
<BR>There never was good Cars and not so good Cars they were all good Cars.                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: AUSSIE GM DAY                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 2-Jun-99 16:47:01 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lance,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
You have made an interesting comment. Over the years we have had situations                                                                                                                                                                     
where some auto shows that feature a limited range of cars get very upset                                                                                                                                                                       
because the DeLorean's "steal the show".                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Several years ago we drove several DeLoreans through the front entrance of                                                                                                                                                                      
a British motorcar show with doors raised. The majority of the spectators                                                                                                                                                                       
swarmed to our cars like bees to honey. I know that the other participants                                                                                                                                                                      
were slightly upset. But you know what? That's what I love about the                                                                                                                                                                            
DeLorean, they never fail to attract a crowd.                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Lance R Haslewood <lanceh@zeta.org.au>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] AUSSIE GM DAY                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:03 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Was hoping to enter our DeLorean in the "All Holden" day on August 1 at                                                                                                                                                                       
> Richmond, New South Wales, Australia, but was told that the DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                          
would                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> not get past the gate.  The Holden is a car produced by GM Australia and                                                                                                                                                                      
> the show is solely for Holdens.  Rather disappointing, to say the least.                                                                                                                                                                      
> The organisers are probably worried that the 'D' will steal the show!!!                                                                                                                                                                       
If                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> anyone is interested, they can check out the latest range of Holdens at                                                                                                                                                                       
> www.holden.com.au and www.hsv.com.au.  HSV meaning Holden Special                                                                                                                                                                             
Vehicles.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Re: Engine will not stay running                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 2-Jun-99 20:53:31 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Richard,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I had the same identical problem as you describe.  My problem was found                                                                                                                                                                         
to be a bad warm-up regulator.  A rebuilt one can be found by most                                                                                                                                                                              
repair shops.  Mine was $210. which is far less that a new one. Suggest                                                                                                                                                                         
you have your fuel pressure and that regulator checked.                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Air Conditioner Conversion                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 2-Jun-99 21:04:25 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Due to a bad accumulator, and a clogged system, I recently had my air                                                                                                                                                                           
conditioning totally flushed, replaced the old style accumulator with                                                                                                                                                                           
the newer model (and front portion of suction hose), and recharged with                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Re: De Loreans wanted                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 2-Jun-99 18:40:45 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
What are German papers? I do have a nearly mint (6000 miles) and would like                                                                                                                                                                     
to hear more.Jay                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>From: bettycat@t-online.de (BETTYCAT)                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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>Subject: [DML] De Loreans wanted                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:11:41 +0200                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] 5-speed is now a 2-speed                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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Hey people.  Maybe you can help me out here. I was driving the other day, and when I tried to shift from 4th to 5th, it shifted to 3rd instead. I could physically put the gear selector in 5th but the selector offered no resistance from the 
First of all, what do you guys think my transmission problems are coming from. Is something just loose perhaps?  Second, what can you do for scuff marks on the black part of the bumper?  I appreciate any and all input.                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Hey people.&nbsp; Maybe you can help me out                                                                                                                                                                     
here. I was driving the other day, and when I tried to shift from 4th to 5th, it                                                                                                                                                                
shifted to 3rd instead. I could physically put the gear selector in 5th but the                                                                                                                                                                 
selector offered no resistance from the right, and it just went into 3rd. And                                                                                                                                                                   
today when I got in my car to drive home from work, I couldn't get into reverse.                                                                                                                                                                
I would pull up on it as usual and bring it down, but it only would go into 2nd.                                                                                                                                                                
I was lucky that I also had the option of driving out forwards, although I would                                                                                                                                                                
have backed out otherwise. After backing out, but still in the parking lot I                                                                                                                                                                    
came to a stop sign. I stopped and tried to put it into 1st, but again like with                                                                                                                                                                
5th, the gear selector was limp and it would only go into 3rd. I didn't realize                                                                                                                                                                 
it at first so I stalled out in 3rd gear. So I tried to start out in 2nd and                                                                                                                                                                    
again the shifter was limp and it shifted into 3rd. Ended up, I had to drive                                                                                                                                                                    
home from word with only 3rd and 4th gear and now my car's just sitting in my                                                                                                                                                                   
driveway because I can't get it into reverse.&nbsp; To top all that off, my air                                                                                                                                                                 
control knob to turn on the vents is so worn down that it can't turn the metal                                                                                                                                                                  
receiver piece inside the dash, and I had to drive home with 2 gears and no AC                                                                                                                                                                  
on a scorching hot day.&nbsp; Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, my                                                                                                                                                                 
friend Mike backed his minivan into the back of my D and put a small gouge in                                                                                                                                                                   
the black part of the bumper and scuffed it real bad.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                              
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>First of all, what do you guys think my                                                                                                                                                                         
transmission problems are coming from. Is something just loose perhaps?&nbsp;                                                                                                                                                                   
Second, what can you do for scuff marks on the black part of the bumper?&nbsp; I                                                                                                                                                                
appreciate any and all input.</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Cole Stinnette in Yorktown, VA</FONT></DIV>                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] NC Get Together                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 3-Jun-99 5:54:22 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Out of the responses that I have received, the date that I am going to set                                                                                                                                                                      
for this meeting for will be July 10, 1999, this will be a Saturday. This                                                                                                                                                                       
date seems to be the one that will allow most of you to come and the more                                                                                                                                                                       
the merrier.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I still need to get in contact with Bill and I will be doing this today, to                                                                                                                                                                     
work out the meeting place and time. But the meet will be here in                                                                                                                                                                               
Winston-Salem NC. Due to some of the concerns about Hooters in Greensboro as                                                                                                                                                                    
a meeting place we will not be meeting there.                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
We will be selecting a meeting place that will be easy to find and I will                                                                                                                                                                       
create a map so that we will not loose anyone. I will get this done by the                                                                                                                                                                      
end of this week.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Keep the Dream alive and be safe,                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Robert Starling                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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Subject: [DML] Johnny Carson/Troy McClure parody?                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 3-Jun-99 20:09:02 +1000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
A lot of you are familiar with that episode of "The Simpsons" in which Troy                                                                                                                                                                     
McClure gets pulled over in his DeLorean for drunk driving. Well, I was just                                                                                                                                                                    
reading an article about Johnny Carson's DeLorean in this months issue of                                                                                                                                                                       
DeLorean World, and it detailed a similar incident in which Carson got                                                                                                                                                                          
pulled over while driving his "D" and was charged with drunk driving. I'm                                                                                                                                                                       
guessing the opening scene of that particular episode of "The Simpsons" is                                                                                                                                                                      
supposed to be a parody of the Carson incident. Does anyone else think so?                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
BTW, any Simpsons/DeLorean fans in Sydney would be interested to know that                                                                                                                                                                      
the Troy McClure/DeLorean episode is on Channel 10 this coming Sunday, so be                                                                                                                                                                    
sure to look out for it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
R. Haslewood,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Starting                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 3-Jun-99 12:14:54 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
i just bought a 81 and i love it.  i have been working on it and i cant get it to start.  it just turns over, freely and with no hesatiation.  What is the fuel accumulator?  should it be replaced the car has 13979 miles?                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Good to leave doors open while stored?                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 3-Jun-99 14:32:05 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm wondering if it would be good to leave the doors open on my D while it is in the garage.  Wouldn't this place less stress on the gas struts and springs?                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Wash D.C. get together anyone??                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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I'm going to be bringing my D ( while I still have it ) on a little run to Washington D.C for the 4th of July celebration there and was wondering if anyone would care to join me.  I figure we could all meet up and celebrate together with th
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Subject: [DML] DMC Emissions                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 3-Jun-99 11:55:19 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi every one,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Well it's registration time again for my D hear in California Home of the                                                                                                                                                                       
Emission                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
control freaks!!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
While this subject is not dealt with much hear on the list, I thought that                                                                                                                                                                      
as I just went threw the smog testing it would be worth a comment or two.                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The standards hear in California are very high requiring that auto                                                                                                                                                                              
emissions be below certain limits. For instance the following levels are                                                                                                                                                                        
the maximum allowed:                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	2500rpm:	                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
			HC PPM	 	 0150                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
			CO%	   	  1.50                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
			CO2		21.50                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
			02		  9.90                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
When I took my D in for the test, it has run for a year with out an                                                                                                                                                                             
official tune up, and had just air cleaner and oil changes, no plug gapping                                                                                                                                                                     
or replacements, no point cleaning - nothing.  It passed easily with the                                                                                                                                                                        
following results.	                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	2680rpm                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
			HC PPM		0016                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
			CO%	   	    .15                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
			CO2		11.90                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
			02		  3.90                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	IDLE@0868rpm	02		  1.30                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The whole point is our D's are one of the cleanest running cars on the road                                                                                                                                                                     
even after 18 years. Kinda of nice to know that at least here in California                                                                                                                                                                     
the smog monsters are not a                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
source of grief to us D persons.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: 5-speed is now a 2-speed                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 3-Jun-99 17:55:00 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Cole,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
   I know you are going to get a lot of replies about this problem but I just                                                                                                                                                                   
wanted to tell you that I had the same exact problem and it turned out to be                                                                                                                                                                    
the Crossgate cable that controls the left and right movement of the shifter.                                                                                                                                                                   
 The shifter is spring loaded to go into the 3rd and 4th gears so the                                                                                                                                                                           
crossgate cable is either broken completely in half like mine was or somehow                                                                                                                                                                    
got out of adjustment.  If you need a new on the Part number is 101363, it                                                                                                                                                                      
cost me about $100 from PJ Grady.  And it is reference Number 34 in Parts                                                                                                                                                                       
manual...4.2.0 Manual Transmission.  I would love to hear if this was your                                                                                                                                                                      
problem...keep us posted.                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Later,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] flasher help!                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 3-Jun-99 16:20:35 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  Im new to this mailing list and am seeking information on my car (2946). I                                                                                                                                                                    
bought the car going on two years ago and have not driven it too much. The                                                                                                                                                                      
major problem I have is that the turn lights and flashers do not work. I                                                                                                                                                                        
have checked all the lights themselvs and have looked through the fuses. All                                                                                                                                                                    
seem in order. I was looking for the flasher unit hoping that may be the                                                                                                                                                                        
cause, but can not find it. Can someone PLEASE help me with the location of                                                                                                                                                                     
the flasher unit?                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thank you for any help!                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ryan Wilson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: 5-speed is now a 2-speed                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 3-Jun-99 19:36:01 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Sounds like you had a hell of a day. Sorry, no suggestions from me. Maybe                                                                                                                                                                       
once I get my D. :)                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: 5-speed is now a 2-speed                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Cole Stinnette wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> gouge in the black part of the bumper and scuffed it real bad. First                                                                                                                                                                          
> of all, what do you guys think my transmission problems are coming                                                                                                                                                                            
> from. Is something just loose perhaps?  Second, what can you do for                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'd bet you have a broken or disconnected shifter linkage.  There is one                                                                                                                                                                        
rod and one cable that goes from the shifter to the transmission; these                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Engine will not Start                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 4-Jun-99 2:49:25 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  Thanks for all the suggestions on my 81 not starting,but I'm still in the same fix. While going over the diagnostic chart in my manual on ignition,it had me test the voltage from the #1 terminal on the coil to ground. With just the igniti
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  Everthing in the fuel tank looked good on inspection and the engine is getting gas.  No leaks in any hoses or vaccum lines. Just will not start.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Good to leave doors open while stored?                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 3-Jun-99 20:28:51 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I routinely leave my doors open for that same reason. It does leave the gas                                                                                                                                                                     
less compressed and thus less stress on the seal but if this really makes a                                                                                                                                                                     
measureable difference I don't know. I guess what counts is that you believe                                                                                                                                                                    
you are doing what's best for your D.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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To: <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 7:32 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Subject: [DML] Good to leave doors open while stored?                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I'm wondering if it would be good to leave the doors open on my D while it                                                                                                                                                                    
is in the garage.  Wouldn't this place less stress on the gas struts and                                                                                                                                                                        
springs?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Date: 3-Jun-99 22:41:19 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The flasher is attached to the right side of                                                                                                                                                                                                    
he instrument cluster as you look up from                                                                                                                                                                                                       
underneath.  It is a small black cube.  Be                                                                                                                                                                                                      
careful removing it, it is easy to damage the                                                                                                                                                                                                   
clip that holds it to the cluster.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: No Subject                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 4-Jun-99 0:50:54 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
In-reply-to: <85256786>.00168492.00                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 magriese@us.ibm.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> The flasher is attached to the right side of                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> he instrument cluster as you look up from                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> underneath.  It is a small black cube.  Be                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There is a possibility that the problem is actually the old                                                                                                                                                                                     
loose-circuit-board problem in the taillights.  This will not be                                                                                                                                                                                
discovered by simply checking the bulb.  I don't know how to check for                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: Doors left open                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 4-Jun-99 1:11:13 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Leaving the doors open puts the rubber weather/rain strips down the center                                                                                                                                                                      
into a 90 deg bend. I believe leaving the doors in the closed position leaves                                                                                                                                                                   
these rubber strips in their natural flat position, which helps in extending                                                                                                                                                                    
their life. Struts are much easier to replace then these strips. Just my 2                                                                                                                                                                      
cents worth.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
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Subject: [DML] New tires                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 4-Jun-99 14:46:38 +0200                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dear DML,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I need a set of new tires for my D and it seems a little bit difficult to                                                                                                                                                                       
find the right size here in France or in Monaco.                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Does anyone in Europe has the  right source/supplier ?                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Any help will be much appreciate                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Please email me directly if anyone can help                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Luc GRENIER-GODARD / lgg@atlantis.mc                                                                                                                                                                                                            
1981  VIN# 3131                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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Subject: [DML] New Delorean owner                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 4-Jun-99 14:28:38 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Bought an 81 Turbo Delorean this weekend! I Looked at almost a dozen                                                                                                                                                                            
cars and I want to thank Rob from P. J. Gradys for all his help! I cldn't have                                                                                                                                                                  
done it with out him, he save me from buying the wrong car more then once                                                                                                                                                                       
and is not only an exceptional mechanic but person as well! I will provide more                                                                                                                                                                 
details once I know how to post msg's and use this system.                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: New tires                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 4-Jun-99 11:02:47 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dial up  Tirerack.com on the internet. They'll get what you need to you.                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Southern California Events                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 4-Jun-99 9:56:20 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
For all of you Southern Californians and anyone else who's                                                                                                                                                                                      
passing through, there are a few upcoming events that might                                                                                                                                                                                     
interest you.  They are open to ALL DELOREAN OWNERS.                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
June 13th                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Santa Monica Airport at their Aviation Museum                                                                                                                                                                                                   
WINGS and WHEELS Event open only to British Cars and                                                                                                                                                                                            
Airplanes.  They can only accept the first 250 - 300 cars                                                                                                                                                                                       
only. This is a no pre-registration  $10 entry event.  The                                                                                                                                                                                      
airport people suggest getting there at 7-7:30, the car                                                                                                                                                                                         
sponsor Moss Motors says 8:00.   If your car is in by 8:30                                                                                                                                                                                      
they will photograph each car with a Spitfire Plane.  There                                                                                                                                                                                     
will be awards.  If you would like to join us let me know                                                                                                                                                                                       
and I'll try and find a meeting area near-by and we can all                                                                                                                                                                                     
go in together. This will be a large event with rides in a                                                                                                                                                                                      
Tiger Plane, car club booths, British food and music along                                                                                                                                                                                      
with fly-bys.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
June 19 -20, (Fathers Day weekend)                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Santa Anita Racetrack, Arcadia                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
The IRISH FAIR on Saturday and Sunday.  We will have our car                                                                                                                                                                                    
on display Sat. with 2 others. drop by and see us. If you'd                                                                                                                                                                                     
like to display your car on Sunday, Fathers Day email me                                                                                                                                                                                        
immediately as I have to call them by Monday the 7th.                                                                                                                                                                                           
Displaying your car gets you free admission and some food                                                                                                                                                                                       
script . You'd have to have your car there by 8:30 ish and                                                                                                                                                                                      
stay until closing.  There will be so much to see and do                                                                                                                                                                                        
please ask me for a flyer.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
June 20th                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Kingsman Park, California Lutheran College, Thousand Oaks                                                                                                                                                                                       
A 250 CAR SHOW with awards .  We'll be there also , if we                                                                                                                                                                                       
could get more cars we might be able to get our own class.                                                                                                                                                                                      
Cost for this is 25 dollars for pre-registration by June                                                                                                                                                                                        
10th                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
July 5th                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Sierra Madre                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
FOURTH OF JULY PARADE.  We already have about five cars so                                                                                                                                                                                      
far. This is FREE   There is a community fair and picnic                                                                                                                                                                                        
following in their Central Park, if you're interested.  The                                                                                                                                                                                     
group of us usually just goes to a local Pasadena restaurant                                                                                                                                                                                    
for lunch.  Parade starts at 10 AM so we meet at our house                                                                                                                                                                                      
for coffee, juice and donuts at about 8 AM and caravan the                                                                                                                                                                                      
short way to formation to decorate our cars.  I provide                                                                                                                                                                                         
crepe paper, flags, spinners etc.  Feel  free to bring                                                                                                                                                                                          
whatever you wish for your car also.  This is about a 1 mile                                                                                                                                                                                    
parade  through their downtown and residential area.  .                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
July 17th                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Our house, Altadena                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
POKER RALLY and DINNER  starting and ending at our house in                                                                                                                                                                                     
east Altadena at 4:30.  (If you get Delorean World, ignore                                                                                                                                                                                      
the date in EVENTS  It was misplaced in Sept.)                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
For more information on any of the above email us at                                                                                                                                                                                            
hbreer@ix.netcom.com  and we'll get right back to you or if                                                                                                                                                                                     
you prefer send us your address and I'll mail you flyers and                                                                                                                                                                                    
and  an invitation with all the info.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mimi Breer,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Southern California DeLorean Owners Club                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] wanna join (post this)                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 4-Jun-99 17:21:09 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Minnestoa British Car Gathering.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 4-Jun-99 17:17:08 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I just received word of a pretty large gathering of British cars, the third                                                                                                                                                                     
annual BRIT DAY at New To Life Classics,  on Saturday, June 12th in Mankato,                                                                                                                                                                    
Minnesota. They are an exclusive to British cars restoration shop. I'll be                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] ANY BODY THERE ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 4-Jun-99 20:29:30 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Am I the only one in the So. OREGON area who drives a DELOREAN ?, would like                                                                                                                                                                    
to get together with other owners from Eugene south to northern Calif. for                                                                                                                                                                      
some D chat and coffee or food. Email me directly if you are in the area and                                                                                                                                                                    
have any interest in a get together.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Subject: [DML] Re: No Subject                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 4-Jun-99 22:07:34 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If the flasher checks out OK check the hazard flasher. The turn signal                                                                                                                                                                          
wiring runs through the hazard flasher switch socket. While observing the                                                                                                                                                                       
flasher reach behind the AC panel (from passenger side) and wiggle the back                                                                                                                                                                     
of the hazard flasher socket and see if you can make the flasher operate.                                                                                                                                                                       
If you need further assistance you can e-mail me directly.                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: magriese@us.ibm.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] No Subject                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 11:41 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> The flasher is attached to the right side of                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> he instrument cluster as you look up from                                                                                                                                                                                                     
> underneath.  It is a small black cube.  Be                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> careful removing it, it is easy to damage the                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> clip that holds it to the cluster.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Mike Griese                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> Storage Software Development Manager                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> IBM Storage Systems Division                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> Rochester, MN  55901                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> Internet: magriese@us.ibm.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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Subject: [DML] Re: Good to leave doors open while stored?                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 5-Jun-99 2:55:05 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
In-reply-to: <7J63L5TQ7R>                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 <7j63l5$tq7-@egroups.com> wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=838                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'm wondering if it would be good to leave the doors open on my D while it is in the garage.  Wouldn't this place less stress on the gas struts and springs?                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I've often considered the same thing, the tension on the struts and torsion bars is significant. I have heard of people removing the struts and/or relaxing the torsion bars for winter storage, but the potential for damage during the torsion
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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does any one have a used or                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
new transmision for a delorean for                                                                                                                                                                                                              
sale please email me also is it save to use                                                                                                                                                                                                     
other transmisions that isnt for a delorean?                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Temperature Guage Not Working                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 5-Jun-99 18:14:59 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks to Duke for posting that note about fixing dead temperature                                                                                                                                                                              
guages. Mine was pointing due south after one of my diodes came                                                                                                                                                                                 
disconnected. A little nudge from a wire inserted through the odometer                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: transmision                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 5-Jun-99 17:21:23 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
In-reply-to: <7JBS85KVSI>                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Based off the info I've found on this, there is no other transmision that                                                                                                                                                                       
would be a bolt in for the DeLorean. It's a modified Renault unit, with                                                                                                                                                                         
emphasis on the "modified".                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Houston should have new transmisions for sale. Get their phone number                                                                                                                                                                       
and other info at http://www.usadmc.com/                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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At 07:02 PM 6/5/99 -0000, marty_mcflyjr@yahoo.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                        
>does any one have a used or                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>new transmision for a delorean for                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>sale please email me also is it save to use                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>other transmisions that isnt for a delorean?                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Door/Roof Seal                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 5-Jun-99 18:21:33 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have removed the door/roof seal from both doors (part numbers                                                                                                                                                                                 
106967/8) because they are both shot. I am going to replace the rubber                                                                                                                                                                          
and rivet the seals back to the doors. But I have a question, what holds                                                                                                                                                                        
the other side of the seal to the "T" top? It looks like the rubber seal                                                                                                                                                                        
part is loose and slides under the "T" top section of the roof when the                                                                                                                                                                         
door is closed. Is this correct?                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] 5-SPEED IS NOW A 2-SPEED                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 6-Jun-99 8:37:07 +1000                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Cole,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It seems your problem maybe similar to the one I had a couple of weeks ago                                                                                                                                                                      
whereby the two pivot pins which hold the gear selector linkages together                                                                                                                                                                       
(beneath the console), work their way out causing the gear lever to become                                                                                                                                                                      
partially inoperative.á I'm sure that this mechanical failure is not uncommon                                                                                                                                                                   
and I certainly hope you get more responces to your problem and how to fix it                                                                                                                                                                   
than I did!!!!  Below is a copy of what I posted to the DML on 16 May which                                                                                                                                                                     
may                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
give you a few ideas.á                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lance Haslewood                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Sydney, Australia                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
While out driving this week, I could not get reverse gear (5 Speed).á After a                                                                                                                                                                   
little manouvering, I managed to drive off in first gear.áá After driving a                                                                                                                                                                     
short distance I noticed that the gear selector was getting aprogressively                                                                                                                                                                      
sloppy and eventually I could only select 3rd and 4th gears. Luckily we                                                                                                                                                                         
weren't                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
far from home and managed to nurture the DeLorean back.á Upon investigation I                                                                                                                                                                   
found that the two steel pins which held the gear selector assembly to the                                                                                                                                                                      
mounting plate (under the console) had worked loose and the lever was actually                                                                                                                                                                  
'floating' .á It was attached only to the selector rod.                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The fact that the pins had worked loose caused some concern.á What                                                                                                                                                                              
concerned me                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
most was the possibility of them working loose again and to determine some way                                                                                                                                                                  
of preventing a reoccurrence.á When I reinstalled the pins, I could not get a                                                                                                                                                                   
tight fit which meant they would eventually work their way out again.á To fix                                                                                                                                                                   
the problem, I drilled a hole at each side of the mounting bracket above where                                                                                                                                                                  
the pins slide through.á I then inserted the pins and drilled into each pin to                                                                                                                                                                  
about 1/16 of an inch.áá The holes in the bracket were then threaded to                                                                                                                                                                         
accommodate a small bolt.á I reassembled the the gear linkage assembly,                                                                                                                                                                         
inserted the pins and locked them in place using the locking bolts with a                                                                                                                                                                       
small                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
dab of medium Locktite.                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Question .... has anyone else experienced a similar problem, and if so, how                                                                                                                                                                     
was                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
it overcome?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: transmision                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 5-Jun-99 23:55:20 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
In-reply-to: <7JBS85KVSI>                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 marty_mcflyjr@yahoo.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> sale please email me also is it save to use                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> other transmisions that isnt for a delorean?                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Didn't we just do this one? :}                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The DeLorean transmission was off-the-shelf, but only off-the-shelf if you                                                                                                                                                                      
happen to live in France.  Neither the auto nor the 5-speed (you didn't                                                                                                                                                                         
mention which you have, and they aren't interchangeable) were used in any                                                                                                                                                                       
other US car, both were used in Renault cars in Europe.  In addition, the                                                                                                                                                                       
final drive section is different in the DeLorean because the transmissions                                                                                                                                                                      
were originally intended for front-wheel-drive cars.  Because of this, the                                                                                                                                                                      
final drive section was changed to make the output run backwards.  So, the                                                                                                                                                                      
transmissions are quite unique.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Fortunately, transmissions are readily available from your favorite                                                                                                                                                                             
DeLorean parts supplier.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door/Roof Seal                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 6-Jun-99 15:04:16 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Your new seals come with the  seal and a new stainless piece basically glued                                                                                                                                                                    
to them.  When you put your new pop rivet thru the stainless piece it goes                                                                                                                                                                      
thru your seal and attaches to the roof of the door.  This is what holds them                                                                                                                                                                   
in place.  You have to remove the T-panel in order to replace the seals                                                                                                                                                                         
correctly.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Where is?                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 6-Jun-99 12:21:13 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi all,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Please help me find Erik Geerdink                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
His Limited edition kit is sitting hear waiting to ship. The last e-mail                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door/Roof Seal                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 6-Jun-99 15:01:27 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dave wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>I have removed the door/roof seal from both doors (part numbers                                                                                                                                                                                
106967/8) because they are both shot. I am going to replace the rubber                                                                                                                                                                          
and rivet the seals back to the doors. But I have a question, what holds                                                                                                                                                                        
the other side of the seal to the "T" top? It looks like the rubber seal                                                                                                                                                                        
part is loose and slides under the "T" top section of the roof when the                                                                                                                                                                         
door is closed. Is this correct?<                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dave - the top seal has a special shape to help it clear the t-section                                                                                                                                                                          
as the door opens and closes and to help it seal against the lower                                                                                                                                                                              
surface of the t-section.  A flat piece of rubber won't quite                                                                                                                                                                                   
work as intended.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The seal looks something like this viewed from the edge:                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
t-section        top of door                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
_____________   _________                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
            \__/---+---    <--------  seal                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The seal is attached to the top of the door by as set of stainless                                                                                                                                                                              
steel rivets and a shaped stainless backing plate.  The curve helps                                                                                                                                                                             
the seal clear the edge of the t-section as the door moves and                                                                                                                                                                                  
provides some spring to keep the seal against the lower                                                                                                                                                                                         
surface of the t-section.                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike Griese                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: transmission shifting problems                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 6-Jun-99 20:54:36 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On my third car some years back I had a similar problem, which turned out to                                                                                                                                                                    
be the bellcrank in the shift linkage.  There is a nut welded inside the                                                                                                                                                                        
frame that this smail lever swivels on, and the nut had come loose.  Reach                                                                                                                                                                      
up into the hole where the fuel accumulator is and see if this linkage is                                                                                                                                                                       
loose.  My bet is its that or a broken cable as noted by others.                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Darryl Tinnerstet                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
McCleary, WA                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door/Roof Seal                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 6-Jun-99 18:34:16 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>But I have a question, what holds                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> the other side of the seal to the "T" top? It looks like the rubber >seal                                                                                                                                                                     
> part is loose and slides under the "T" top section of the roof when >the                                                                                                                                                                      
> door is closed. Is this correct?                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Dave Sontos                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> VIN                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Your right, it's not attached to the T roof. They are rather difficult to                                                                                                                                                                       
remove as they are pop riveted in place with stainless rivets. Hard to drill                                                                                                                                                                    
out and if you grind them out you have to be very careful of the torsion                                                                                                                                                                        
bars. A scratch on them can be terminal. Those seals don't stand up very                                                                                                                                                                        
well because they bend in half every time the door is opened and only                                                                                                                                                                           
contribute to the aesthetics more than anything. Any water just gets                                                                                                                                                                            
channeled away around the door opening. Unless your a stickler for a                                                                                                                                                                            
concours car it's hardly worth the trouble.                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Bruce Benson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    






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