DeLorean Mailing List - April 1999 Week #4

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From: FLUFFY@SMTP (William T Wilson) {fluffy@snurgle.org}                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Some history                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 25-Apr-99 2:31:22 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
[Moderator: Please disregard that last message, this is a better one :}]                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There is an interesting article on how JZD's Pontiac XP-833 concept car                                                                                                                                                                         
ended up getting turned into the Firebird, it is located at:                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
www.rideanddrive.com/XP-833.html                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
And, of course, the GTO has an article also:                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
www.rideanddrive.com/gto.html                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: LSEILER@SMTP (Lee) {lseiler@radiance.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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Subject: [DML] Re: Interesting Clutch Problem                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 25-Apr-99 0:12:58 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
In-reply-to: <371FAEBF>.5C056191                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
At 07:20 PM 4/22/99 -0400, you wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>Dear List,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Snip...................I just had Dave Bauerle adjust my clutch so that it                                                                                                                                                                      
didn't have this problem, and                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>for a good three weeks it was fine.  Now this.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
...............Snip.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
What adjustment?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I put in my own stainless braided clutch and just did the master cylinder.                                                                                                                                                                      
I don't think there is any mechanical adjustments in the system from the                                                                                                                                                                        
peddle to the plunger on the slave.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I sure would like to know what all these people are adjusting and why it                                                                                                                                                                        
only last for two weeks?                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Very odd I say....                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lee                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Keys n' Kits                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 25-Apr-99 3:51:50 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi all,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	I am feeling much better and plan on being back to work full time May 1st.                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	For every one interested in the DeLorean limited edition kits or the DeLorean                                                                                                                                                                  
Keys I make, or the New DeLorean Calendar please check the DMC Bulletin                                                                                                                                                                         
board for                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
the latest news and up dates.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	I also want to thank every one for the cards, letter and e-mail we received                                                                                                                                                                    
while I was ill, Sharon my wife also thanks you....she is looking over my                                                                                                                                                                       
shoulder...rats got caught at my computer again!                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	Have to go..................                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: DSWINGLE@SMTP (David Swingle) {dswingle@enteract.com}                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: Bleeder tool                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 25-Apr-99 8:55:07 -0600                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Don't underestimate the usefulness - It would also be useful for one-man                                                                                                                                                                        
brake bleeding, although acess to the bleeder screws is usually not so                                                                                                                                                                          
much of a problem there.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I believe tools such as this exist, although without the ability to                                                                                                                                                                             
unscrew the bleeder.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
FYI - another good reason not to just let the fluid run all over the                                                                                                                                                                            
bellhousing is that then it gets on the frame and effectively softens and                                                                                                                                                                       
removes the epoxy in a place where you can't repair it without removing                                                                                                                                                                         
the transmission. Trying to wash it off afterwards with water just makes                                                                                                                                                                        
the clutch get rusty.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>Hi David,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>	yep I have solved that problem by making a special tool. It is very                                                                                                                                                                           
>specialized and I doubt that any other use would ever arise. . .  .                                                                                                                                                                            
>Lee                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: MALEVY@SMTP (Marc A Levy) {malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com}                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: Interesting Clutch Problem                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 25-Apr-99 21:15:17 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Some of us have a after market adjustable clutch link..... This may be                                                                                                                                                                          
what was adjusted.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lee wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>  I sure would like to know what all these people are adjusting and why it                                                                                                                                                                     
>  only last for two weeks?                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: loose steering                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 25-Apr-99 22:31:54 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have the exact opposite ! my steering is really tight and a squeaking noise                                                                                                                                                                   
is louder than the stereo will go! If I point the car round a tight corner I                                                                                                                                                                    
can take my hands of the wheel ,lay down and have a nice cup of tea, forty                                                                                                                                                                      
winks ,read a book and the car still keeps the same track ( a real party                                                                                                                                                                        
trick to scare them all ) I know there is a problem but I,m sure its just the                                                                                                                                                                   
bush where the colum goes through the bulk head                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Does anyone know a fix as to be honest the last time I went to tackle the                                                                                                                                                                       
problem I spent a few hours without getting the steering wheel off !!                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
help would be helpful!                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Neil in Scotland                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] owner                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 25-Apr-99 22:41:33 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
I ahve had my D  for a couple of years and am looking for some info on its                                                                                                                                                                      
history ,it was sold to a G Mohi in LA in 1981 and was sold it seems by DMC                                                                                                                                                                     
.Does anyone know if this was a DMC only dealer or if the garage is still                                                                                                                                                                       
there and selling another brand ? Is there a G Mohi in a Delorean club or has                                                                                                                                                                   
anyone heard of him ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
I have his address from  81 but dont want to pester him                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
any help?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 Cheers from Scotland                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Lo-Jack                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 25-Apr-99 22:51:19 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I was just wondering if any owners out there have had the Lo-Jack vehicle                                                                                                                                                                       
recovery system installed in their DeLorean, and what the real benefits of                                                                                                                                                                      
the system are. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Lo-Jack, it is NOT                                                                                                                                                                     
an alarm system, but more of a homing device that the police use to track                                                                                                                                                                       
stolen cars. If your car is stolen with a Lo-Jack system on board, they will                                                                                                                                                                    
track it and the police will retrieve it. Now honestly I do not like to                                                                                                                                                                         
change my DeLorean in the slightest. I really wouldn't want many changes made                                                                                                                                                                   
to the car. Does anyone out there have this installed on their DeLorean? What                                                                                                                                                                   
do you think of it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Curious Justin                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: dmcnews digest                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 26-Apr-99 0:21:04 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
hi...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
i am in the process of purchasing an 82, 5 spd.  i will have to float a loan                                                                                                                                                                    
for a good portion of the price, and i figured that it would probably be                                                                                                                                                                        
easier to get some financing (because of the cars age..) if i had an                                                                                                                                                                            
apprasial..  can anyone in the toronto area suggest a reputable apprasier?                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
i would also appreciate it if someone could let me know of a company that                                                                                                                                                                       
appreciates the value of these cars, and is readily willing to finance                                                                                                                                                                          
them..  i can forsee the age of the car being a problem for my bank.                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
thanks..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
:)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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Subject: [DML] Re: spec.'s                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: 26-Apr-99 0:37:34 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Michel,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
DO NOT ADVANCE THE TIMING! The DeLorean ignition system is extremely stable                                                                                                                                                                     
and will never drift. We have found most cars never need adjustments from                                                                                                                                                                       
their factory settings. If the engine is running rough the problem will be                                                                                                                                                                      
related to items other than timing unless someone has tampered with it. The                                                                                                                                                                     
timing should be set to 13 degrees BTDC + or - 2 degrees. A rough running                                                                                                                                                                       
cold engine is usually caused by a malfunction of the "warm up circuit" or                                                                                                                                                                      
"fuel enrichment circuit".                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Concerning the outer drive shaft to hub carrier torque the factory spec is                                                                                                                                                                      
270 lb. ft.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: Michel Poulin <mpoulin@poulincomm.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] spec.s                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 8:58 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> My friend and I are going to be doing a little work tomorrow on the D.                                                                                                                                                                        
One                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> of his rear wheels had come loose and he snuged it up.. How much torque                                                                                                                                                                       
> should the wheel bearings have?                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>  Also, The engine is running rough untill it warms up. I know on my merc                                                                                                                                                                      
I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> had to move the timeing up to correct for this. Should the D be the same?                                                                                                                                                                     
> and if so, what is a safe amount to move it up?                                                                                                                                                                                               
>  -=mike=-                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: prototype spotted                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 26-Apr-99 0:42:54 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
James,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Sounds like you have a rare find, the sliding windows is the giveaway. See                                                                                                                                                                      
if you can get the VIN. Keep us posted.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: WtrResQ@aol.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] prototype spotted                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 7:31 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> i was driving around at work, in San Jose California, when a friend told                                                                                                                                                                      
me                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> that there was a Delorean in a driveway near his house.  i went to check                                                                                                                                                                      
it                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> out and sure enuff, there it was.  it had a Calif. license plate on                                                                                                                                                                           
> it(PROTO1) although it obviously had not ben registered in years.  it was                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> covered in dust and had 4 flat tires.  i noticed that it didnt have the                                                                                                                                                                       
black                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> window louvers on the back and had sliding side windows on the doors.  i                                                                                                                                                                      
> knocked on the door and the "lady of the house" told me that her husband                                                                                                                                                                      
had                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> purchased it at auction when J. Delorean was going though his "legal                                                                                                                                                                          
> problems".  she told me that it had less that 180 miles of "test track                                                                                                                                                                        
only                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> miles", and that hubby had paid $37K for the car.  i had to take off and                                                                                                                                                                      
> hubby wasnt home, so i left my card for him to call me.  ill fill you all                                                                                                                                                                     
in                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> as soon as i get more info.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> happy driving,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> james- STAINLS                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Interesting Clutch Problem                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 1:15:15 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Marc & Lee,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Shortly after the DeLorean hit the streets the infamous "plastic clutch                                                                                                                                                                         
line" problems started popping up all over the country. In an effort to                                                                                                                                                                         
correct the problem an adjustable clutch pedal link was manufactured and                                                                                                                                                                        
supplied to dealers for replacement. (Service Bulletin No. ST-07-9/82). The                                                                                                                                                                     
problem was that in order to compensate for the loss of pedal action the                                                                                                                                                                        
link could be easily over adjusted this caused the master cylinder plunger                                                                                                                                                                      
to travel too far in the bore causing premature failure of the master                                                                                                                                                                           
cylinder. The adjustable link should only be considered as temporary,                                                                                                                                                                           
replacing the factory plastic line with the stainless braided is the only                                                                                                                                                                       
way to go.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Re: Interesting Clutch Problem                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 9:15 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Some of us have a after market adjustable clutch link..... This may be                                                                                                                                                                        
> what was adjusted.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Lee wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> >  I sure would like to know what all these people are adjusting and why                                                                                                                                                                      
it                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> >  only last for two weeks?                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Re: CLUTCH JOB                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 1:19:07 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lance,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Not to diminish your fine work at bleeding the clutch but I wanted to reply                                                                                                                                                                     
to your statement that "As you would be aware, the job would be impossible                                                                                                                                                                      
to accomplish unless the car is raised off the ground." We bleed the slave                                                                                                                                                                      
cylinder without ever getting under the car. The whole process takes us                                                                                                                                                                         
less than five minutes. Of course it does help that we do this all the                                                                                                                                                                          
time.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
I guess it has to do with how many ways to "skin a cat". Thanks for your                                                                                                                                                                        
input.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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From: Lance R Haslewood <lanceh@zeta.org.au>                                                                                                                                                                                                    
To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Subject: [DML] Re: CLUTCH JOB                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 7:36 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lee,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Recently I had to replace the clutch becuse the plate disintergrated.                                                                                                                                                                           
While I had the clutch out, I decided to have the clutch slave cylinder                                                                                                                                                                         
re-sleeved because it had a slight weep.  It also had some corrosion                                                                                                                                                                            
inside. I found bleeding the line and cylinder was not  too difficult a                                                                                                                                                                         
job, just a bit fiddly.  If I recall, a 5/32" ring/open-end spanner fitted                                                                                                                                                                      
neatly over the bleed valve (ring end).  With this in place, I fitted a                                                                                                                                                                         
length of clear plastic tube over the end of the valve and placed the other                                                                                                                                                                     
end into a jar.  I used about 4' of tubing.  Enough to reach from the slave                                                                                                                                                                     
cylinder to the ground and with a bit to spare.  With my son working the                                                                                                                                                                        
cluch pedal, I successfully bled the system.  In fact, I completely changed                                                                                                                                                                     
the oil with new.  I have a good strong pedal and the clutch works great.                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As you would be aware, the job would be impossible to accomplish unless the                                                                                                                                                                     
car is raised off the ground.  I had my 'D' on axle stands.  Also if you                                                                                                                                                                        
lay on a creeper, this will give you more mobility whilst under the car and                                                                                                                                                                     
make the job a little easier for you.  For illumination, I used a 240v                                                                                                                                                                          
trouble light which I managed to wedge up beside the bell housing.                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I don't mean to be telling you how to suck eggs, but the bleeding process                                                                                                                                                                       
is quite simple.  With the bleed valve closed, have somebody slowly pump                                                                                                                                                                        
the pedal a few times, and with the pedal held in, release the bleed valve.                                                                                                                                                                     
 Make sure the person working the pedal does not release the pedal while                                                                                                                                                                        
you have the valve open.  Keep repeating this process until all air is                                                                                                                                                                          
removed from the system and a good flow of fluid extrudes.  During the                                                                                                                                                                          
process, you will notice clutch beginning to operate and the pedal becoming                                                                                                                                                                     
load bearing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lance                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
At 02:56  23/04/99 -0700, you wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>Hi to all our DML members,                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>It's been a while sense my last post.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>My D has been laid up for the last couple of months with a broken clutch                                                                                                                                                                       
(5)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>speed. I lost all pedal just as I got home, and ended up pushing it up the                                                                                                                                                                     
>drive-way                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>and into the hanger.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>After checking the fluid level and finding it empty! and finding a stained                                                                                                                                                                     
>driver                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>side carpet indicating that the clutch master cylinder was probably the                                                                                                                                                                        
>problem,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>I ordered one from PJ Grady. It took quite a while to get around to                                                                                                                                                                            
>starting the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>repair because I thought it was going to be difficult and time consuming.                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>It turned out that even with needing a second person to hold a Phillips to                                                                                                                                                                     
>remove                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>the two nuts, the whole remove and replace job took an hour. All that is                                                                                                                                                                       
>left is                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>the bleeding,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>The original unit look fine, although on the dirty side. I found some                                                                                                                                                                          
>indication of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>wetness around the plunger but not the dripping I expected. When I opened                                                                                                                                                                      
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>seal end which on the original has a metal band holding the seal in place                                                                                                                                                                      
I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>discovered                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>a rusty nasty wet mess. Removing the plunger requires the removing of a                                                                                                                                                                        
>snap  ring.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>Once cleaned up the plunger is installed in the new master cylinder, which                                                                                                                                                                     
>comes with a new snap ring. Installing the new master cylinder is easy                                                                                                                                                                         
>enough, as is the connecting of the                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>fluid fill hose and the hydraulic line back to the slave cylinder.                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Every time something breaks I get the feeling that the problem will never                                                                                                                                                                      
>be fixed, and every time I dive in I find that I enjoy working on my D,                                                                                                                                                                        
Now                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>all that's left is to bleed the lines.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Well the bleeding is done and the clutch works!                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Now a question?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Any one who has ever had to bleed the clutch line knows what a bitch it is                                                                                                                                                                     
>just to reach                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>and what a mess it makes, especially when a master cylinder is replaced                                                                                                                                                                        
and                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>you are faced with bleeding most of the line contents to get all the air                                                                                                                                                                       
out.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>I have come up with a single tool that will do the following:                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>1. loosen the bleeder screw with out removing the Engine CVR or even                                                                                                                                                                           
>reaching behind the engine.                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>2. collects all the Dot-4 as it is bled (spl?) off and puts in a container                                                                                                                                                                     
>and not the bell housing or floor.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>3. loosens and tightens the bleed screw during the bleeding cycle, again                                                                                                                                                                       
>with out requiring reaching down behind the engine and is used to tighten                                                                                                                                                                      
>screw when bleeding is complete.                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>If you are interested in such an item please let me know via direct e-mail                                                                                                                                                                     
>using reply! just say "me too"                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>TTFN                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Lee                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 26-Apr-99 3:26:45 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
In-reply-to: <199904240251>.WAA08785                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Do either the Craig or the ASI radios have an auxiliary-in jack on them                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Re: Long Trips                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 11:55:53 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <3>.0.1.32.19990424232239.0095ba30                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Lee wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>  And given all this the DMC loves a                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> winding two lane black to in the rolling hill. I don't know about others                                                                                                                                                                      
> who own DMC's but mine handles great on both open freeway and the winding                                                                                                                                                                     
> coast roads of California.                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Lee                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 Over the weekend my friend and I put 300 miles on the D. It was a mix of                                                                                                                                                                       
city and highway. The D much prefers the highway as aposed to stop and go.                                                                                                                                                                      
  The water temp would shoot up to 220 in a matter of minuts when we                                                                                                                                                                            
started goingfrom stop light to stop light.  Once we got moving again, the                                                                                                                                                                      
temp would drop below 150 quickly. By design, it's just not ment to sit                                                                                                                                                                         
idel.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 26-Apr-99 12:11:42 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I also would like to put a high level CD player in WHich one would fit with                                                                                                                                                                     
minimum damage in case  I ever wanted to go back to original. Hell I want                                                                                                                                                                       
good sounds and all my  music is on CD now soon will be DVD.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ron                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
William T Wilson wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Do either the Craig or the ASI radios have an auxiliary-in jack on them                                                                                                                                                                       
> (for connecting an external CD player, for example)? If not, would anyone                                                                                                                                                                     
> have a recommendation for a replacement stereo that might include such a                                                                                                                                                                      
> thing?  A tape player would be preferable to a CD player.                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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From: LSEILER@SMTP (Lee) {lseiler@radiance.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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Subject: [DML] Re: Interesting Clutch Problem                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 9:52:38 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
In-reply-to: <19990426052514>.DICN2244                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
At 01:15 AM 4/26/99 -0400, you wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>Marc & Lee,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>Shortly after the DeLorean hit the streets the infamous "plastic clutch                                                                                                                                                                        
>line" problems started popping up all over the country. In an effort to                                                                                                                                                                        
>correct the problem an adjustable clutch pedal link was manufactured and                                                                                                                                                                       
>supplied to dealers for replacement. (Service Bulletin No. ST-07-9/82). The                                                                                                                                                                    
>problem was that in order to compensate for the loss of pedal action the                                                                                                                                                                       
>link could be easily over adjusted this caused the master cylinder plunger                                                                                                                                                                     
>to travel too far in the bore causing premature failure of the master                                                                                                                                                                          
>cylinder. The adjustable link should only be considered as temporary,                                                                                                                                                                          
>replacing the factory plastic line with the stainless braided is the only                                                                                                                                                                      
>way to go.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
reply:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Joe,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	So if I understand what you are saying, that some D's may have this                                                                                                                                                                            
adjustable part and this part can be over adjusted to compensate for loss                                                                                                                                                                       
of pedel which will cause the master cylinder to fail.                                                                                                                                                                                          
	Also that the stainless line is the correct and permanent fix for both?                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	I replaced my plastic line a while back so I expect the new master                                                                                                                                                                             
cylinder to last                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
for a while. I also note that some owners report no problems in spite of                                                                                                                                                                        
the plastic line.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lee                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: DMC Bulletin Board                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 26-Apr-99 10:02:58 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <001C01BE8F52E2D5>b860$2d990cd1                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
At 02:29 PM 4/25/99 -0500, you wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>Lee, Glad to hear that you are feeling better.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>For the benefit of those of us who keep messing up there PC's, would you                                                                                                                                                                       
>post the address for the DMC Bulletin Board/                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
reply:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	Sure Scott!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	http://www.totalimmersion.com/dmcboard/index.html                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	I will also post the URL's for the up coming pictures and sample calendars                                                                                                                                                                     
	once they are actually up.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
	Lee                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: BHENDERL@SMTP (Brian Henderlong) {bhenderlong@mindspring.com}                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Re: Upside-down DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 26-Apr-99 13:57:10 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <3724903E>.73807841                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Anyone hear anything further about the DeLorean that was turned over by the                                                                                                                                                                     
rioting college students?  Has anyone heard from the owner?                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm curious to know what kind of service his/her insurance company is                                                                                                                                                                           
giving, whether there are any more pictures online, and whether any civil                                                                                                                                                                       
or criminal suits have been filed.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just wondering,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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From: MALEVY@SMTP (Marc A Levy) {malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com}                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 26-Apr-99 14:17:28 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kenwood makes a unit that fits in the stock location, and will control                                                                                                                                                                          
their CD changer units.  Model: KRC-3006, sells for $179.95 in most                                                                                                                                                                             
places.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
William T Wilson wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>  Do either the Craig or the ASI radios have an auxiliary-in jack on them                                                                                                                                                                      
>  (for connecting an external CD player, for example)? If not, would anyone                                                                                                                                                                    
>  have a recommendation for a replacement stereo that might include such a                                                                                                                                                                     
>  thing?  A tape player would be preferable to a CD player.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Lo-Jack                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: 26-Apr-99 14:35:49 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have Lo-Jac in a leased car. Haven't figured out yet why I did it except my                                                                                                                                                                   
insurance carrier reduced my premium relating to the value of the car by 10%.                                                                                                                                                                   
As the car has never been stolen, I have no idea how well it works, however,                                                                                                                                                                    
LAPD did make a big haul on cars stolen and being shipped out of the country                                                                                                                                                                    
in freight containers about a year or so ago. Located a couple of the cars by                                                                                                                                                                   
Lo Jac and found the rest of the stolen cars at the Los Angeles harbor.  I                                                                                                                                                                      
don't think the cost ($450 negotiable) is necessarily worth installation in                                                                                                                                                                     
the Delorean as insurance would cover the loss and they seem to be readily                                                                                                                                                                      
available to be purchased for the foreseeable future. Just a thot.                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: SHAIN@SMTP (Sean Jones) {shain@noln.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Subject: [DML] Re: Upside-down DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 26-Apr-99 15:24:03 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I never saw the first set of pictures.  When i first went to it it was up yet.                                                                                                                                                                  
Then I lost the url.  Can someone please repost it?  Thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
- Shain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian Henderlong wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Anyone hear anything further about the DeLorean that was turned over by the                                                                                                                                                                   
> rioting college students?  Has anyone heard from the owner?                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'm curious to know what kind of service his/her insurance company is                                                                                                                                                                         
> giving, whether there are any more pictures online, and whether any civil                                                                                                                                                                     
> or criminal suits have been filed.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Just wondering,                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> VIN#: working on it...                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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From: SHAIN@SMTP (Sean Jones) {shain@noln.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Upside-down DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 26-Apr-99 15:24:03 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I never saw the first set of pictures.  When i first went to it it was up yet.                                                                                                                                                                  
Then I lost the url.  Can someone please repost it?  Thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
- Shain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian Henderlong wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Anyone hear anything further about the DeLorean that was turned over by the                                                                                                                                                                   
> rioting college students?  Has anyone heard from the owner?                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'm curious to know what kind of service his/her insurance company is                                                                                                                                                                         
> giving, whether there are any more pictures online, and whether any civil                                                                                                                                                                     
> or criminal suits have been filed.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Just wondering,                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> VIN#: working on it...                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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From: FLUFFY@SMTP (William T Wilson) {fluffy@snurgle.org}                                                                                                                                                                                       
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Jan. 1st                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 26-Apr-99 15:46:33 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <199904261926>.PAA17211                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 dtaylor2@neo.rr.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                               
> computer in the "D"                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'll go out on a limb here and say that Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                             
computer in no or virtually no cars.  We had a discussion about this a                                                                                                                                                                          
while back and it seems the criteria for a Y2K problem are:                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Clock must be installed in system;                                                                                                                                                                                                              
System must care about clock output;                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Clock must be set to valid date.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I don't know whether the DMC-12 computer contains any clocks or not, but                                                                                                                                                                        
if it does, you can reset them to 1981 by disconnecting the battery. :}                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: FLUFFY@SMTP (William T Wilson) {fluffy@snurgle.org}                                                                                                                                                                                       
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Jan. 1st                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 26-Apr-99 15:46:33 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <199904261926>.PAA17211                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 dtaylor2@neo.rr.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                               
> computer in the "D"                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'll go out on a limb here and say that Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                             
computer in no or virtually no cars.  We had a discussion about this a                                                                                                                                                                          
while back and it seems the criteria for a Y2K problem are:                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Clock must be installed in system;                                                                                                                                                                                                              
System must care about clock output;                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Clock must be set to valid date.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I don't know whether the DMC-12 computer contains any clocks or not, but                                                                                                                                                                        
if it does, you can reset them to 1981 by disconnecting the battery. :}                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: FLUFFY@SMTP (William T Wilson) {fluffy@snurgle.org}                                                                                                                                                                                       
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Jan. 1st                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 26-Apr-99 15:46:33 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <199904261926>.PAA17211                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 dtaylor2@neo.rr.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                               
> computer in the "D"                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'll go out on a limb here and say that Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                             
computer in no or virtually no cars.  We had a discussion about this a                                                                                                                                                                          
while back and it seems the criteria for a Y2K problem are:                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Clock must be installed in system;                                                                                                                                                                                                              
System must care about clock output;                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Clock must be set to valid date.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I don't know whether the DMC-12 computer contains any clocks or not, but                                                                                                                                                                        
if it does, you can reset them to 1981 by disconnecting the battery. :}                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: FLUFFY@SMTP (William T Wilson) {fluffy@snurgle.org}                                                                                                                                                                                       
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Jan. 1st                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 26-Apr-99 15:46:33 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <199904261926>.PAA17211                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 dtaylor2@neo.rr.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                               
> computer in the "D"                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'll go out on a limb here and say that Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                             
computer in no or virtually no cars.  We had a discussion about this a                                                                                                                                                                          
while back and it seems the criteria for a Y2K problem are:                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Clock must be installed in system;                                                                                                                                                                                                              
System must care about clock output;                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Clock must be set to valid date.                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I don't know whether the DMC-12 computer contains any clocks or not, but                                                                                                                                                                        
if it does, you can reset them to 1981 by disconnecting the battery. :}                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: METZ@SMTP (Brian Metz) {metz.50@osu.edu}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 26-Apr-99 15:48:54 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <PINE>.LNX.4.04.9904260324490.994-100000                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 >Do either the Craig or the ASI radios have an auxiliary-in jack on them                                                                                                                                                                       
>(for connecting an external CD player, for example)?                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
YOU CAN PURCHASE A CD CHANGER WITH AN FM MODULATOR IN IT.  THIS IS WHAT I                                                                                                                                                                       
PLAN ON DOING FOR MY D IN A FEW MONTHS.  A CHANGER WITH A MODULATOR WILL                                                                                                                                                                        
WORK WITH ANY STEREO THAT USES AN ANTENNA (HENCE EVERY CAR STEREO).  IT                                                                                                                                                                         
PLUGS INTO THE ANTENNA JACK AND THEN THE ANTENNA PLUGS INTO IT.  THEREFORE,                                                                                                                                                                     
YOU CAN STILL HAVE YOUR AM'FM RADIO - CASSETTE PLAYER  (ORIGINAL) AND A CD                                                                                                                                                                      
PLAYER/CHANGER!!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
BRIAN                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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BY THE WAY THESE ARE VERY POPULAR AND CAN BE PURCHASED FOR AS LOW AS $150.00                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: METZ@SMTP (Brian Metz) {metz.50@osu.edu}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 26-Apr-99 15:48:54 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <PINE>.LNX.4.04.9904260324490.994-100000                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 >Do either the Craig or the ASI radios have an auxiliary-in jack on them                                                                                                                                                                       
>(for connecting an external CD player, for example)?                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
YOU CAN PURCHASE A CD CHANGER WITH AN FM MODULATOR IN IT.  THIS IS WHAT I                                                                                                                                                                       
PLAN ON DOING FOR MY D IN A FEW MONTHS.  A CHANGER WITH A MODULATOR WILL                                                                                                                                                                        
WORK WITH ANY STEREO THAT USES AN ANTENNA (HENCE EVERY CAR STEREO).  IT                                                                                                                                                                         
PLUGS INTO THE ANTENNA JACK AND THEN THE ANTENNA PLUGS INTO IT.  THEREFORE,                                                                                                                                                                     
YOU CAN STILL HAVE YOUR AM'FM RADIO - CASSETTE PLAYER  (ORIGINAL) AND A CD                                                                                                                                                                      
PLAYER/CHANGER!!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
BRIAN                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
16584                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
BY THE WAY THESE ARE VERY POPULAR AND CAN BE PURCHASED FOR AS LOW AS $150.00                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: METZ@SMTP (Brian Metz) {metz.50@osu.edu}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Subject: [DML] Re: Jan. 1st                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 26-Apr-99 16:02:25 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <19990426192517>.21577.qmail                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  >I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard computer                                                                                                                                                                     
in the "D"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>        Thanks...Donnie                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 I HOPE YOU ARE KIDDING. ALL THE COMPUTER DOES IS TAKE THE READINGS THAT                                                                                                                                                                        
THE SENSORS ARE CURRENTLY SENDING TO IT AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ACCORDINGLY.                                                                                                                                                                       
THE COMPUNTER COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT THE DATE IS.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: METZ@SMTP (Brian Metz) {metz.50@osu.edu}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: Jan. 1st                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 26-Apr-99 16:02:25 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <19990426192517>.21577.qmail                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  >I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard computer                                                                                                                                                                     
in the "D"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>        Thanks...Donnie                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 I HOPE YOU ARE KIDDING. ALL THE COMPUTER DOES IS TAKE THE READINGS THAT                                                                                                                                                                        
THE SENSORS ARE CURRENTLY SENDING TO IT AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ACCORDINGLY.                                                                                                                                                                       
THE COMPUNTER COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT THE DATE IS.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
BRIAN                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] delorean on M2                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 16:15:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just to let everyone know there was a delorean featured today(April                                                                                                                                                                             
26th)on MTV's sister station "M2". It had the women who presents the                                                                                                                                                                            
videos sitting on top of one of the cars from "BTTF". Didn't have time                                                                                                                                                                          
to listen to get any background on why it was on there but i did catch a                                                                                                                                                                        
big "BTTF" banner in the background. Any idea why there would be one of                                                                                                                                                                         
these cars in NYC at the MTV studio's? Did anyone get the chance to                                                                                                                                                                             
catch it?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Donald Kazmark                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] delorean on M2                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 16:15:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just to let everyone know there was a delorean featured today(April                                                                                                                                                                             
26th)on MTV's sister station "M2". It had the women who presents the                                                                                                                                                                            
videos sitting on top of one of the cars from "BTTF". Didn't have time                                                                                                                                                                          
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these cars in NYC at the MTV studio's? Did anyone get the chance to                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] delorean on M2                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 16:15:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just to let everyone know there was a delorean featured today(April                                                                                                                                                                             
26th)on MTV's sister station "M2". It had the women who presents the                                                                                                                                                                            
videos sitting on top of one of the cars from "BTTF". Didn't have time                                                                                                                                                                          
to listen to get any background on why it was on there but i did catch a                                                                                                                                                                        
big "BTTF" banner in the background. Any idea why there would be one of                                                                                                                                                                         
these cars in NYC at the MTV studio's? Did anyone get the chance to                                                                                                                                                                             
catch it?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] delorean on M2                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 16:15:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just to let everyone know there was a delorean featured today(April                                                                                                                                                                             
26th)on MTV's sister station "M2". It had the women who presents the                                                                                                                                                                            
videos sitting on top of one of the cars from "BTTF". Didn't have time                                                                                                                                                                          
to listen to get any background on why it was on there but i did catch a                                                                                                                                                                        
big "BTTF" banner in the background. Any idea why there would be one of                                                                                                                                                                         
these cars in NYC at the MTV studio's? Did anyone get the chance to                                                                                                                                                                             
catch it?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 26-Apr-99 14:22:00 -0600                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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 <SNIP> Do either the Craig or the ASI radios have an auxiliary-in jack on them <SNIP>                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As far as I know neither of them had an input.  I do know that Alpine and JVC have units that have inputs and controls right on the tape player to control a CD Changer.  Usually they will only work with their respective brands of CD Changer
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Jan. 1st                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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From: dtaylor2@neo.rr.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard computer in the "D"                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
        Thanks...Donnie                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Jan. 1st                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 26-Apr-99 16:46:38 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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On 26-Apr-99 William T Wilson wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 dtaylor2@neo.rr.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>> I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                              
>> computer in the "D"                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'll go out on a limb here and say that Y2K will affect the onboard                                                                                                                                                                           
> computer in no or virtually no cars.  We had a discussion about this a                                                                                                                                                                        
> while back and it seems the criteria for a Y2K problem are:                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Clock must be installed in system;                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> System must care about clock output;                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> Clock must be set to valid date.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I don't know whether the DMC-12 computer contains any clocks or not, but                                                                                                                                                                      
> if it does, you can reset them to 1981 by disconnecting the battery. :}                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I was under the impression that the                                                                                                                                                                           
DeLorean doesn't have any computers as we normally think of them. At                                                                                                                                                                            
least nothing with a microprocessor and memory. Just some ciruits that                                                                                                                                                                          
work as parts of feedback loops in the engine control system.                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
- J                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: MARTIN@SMTP (Martin Gutkowski) {martin.is@connect-2.co.uk}                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Upside-down DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 26-Apr-99 21:53:25 +0100                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dear Brian,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have forwarded all the advice people have generously put up on the DML, but                                                                                                                                                                   
my original post was a couple of weeks after Clare first contacted me due to                                                                                                                                                                    
the problems with the DML. Unfortunately she hasn't replied - maybe it's                                                                                                                                                                        
something to do with her term-times (maybe she's gone home to Ireland), but I                                                                                                                                                                   
will certainly keep you all posted.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I too never saw those pictures, as I think Clare didn't either!                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Martin                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian Henderlong wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Anyone hear anything further about the DeLorean that was turned over by the                                                                                                                                                                   
> rioting college students?  Has anyone heard from the owner?                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'm curious to know what kind of service his/her insurance company is                                                                                                                                                                         
> giving, whether there are any more pictures online, and whether any civil                                                                                                                                                                     
> or criminal suits have been filed.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Just wondering,                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> VIN#: working on it...                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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From: BHENDERL@SMTP (Brian Henderlong) {bhenderlong@mindspring.com}                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Raffled DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: 26-Apr-99 16:54:29 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Does anyone know if the DeLorean being raffled off at:                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
http://www.piusxi.org/DeLorean.html                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
was actually won?  The raffle was supposed to be last                                                                                                                                                                                           
month.  It'd be interesting to know who got the car and                                                                                                                                                                                         
how many tickets they bought (i.e., how much they "paid"                                                                                                                                                                                        
for it!).  Anybody hear what happened?                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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From: BHENDERL@SMTP (Brian Henderlong) {bhenderlong@mindspring.com}                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] custom DeLorean pic                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 26-Apr-99 17:09:26 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There's a picture of an interesting custom DeLorean at:                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
http://home.t-online.de/home/Klaus.Steiner/meet98.htm                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The car is red and the taillights have been replaced with                                                                                                                                                                                       
those of a Ferrari!  Looks very strange!  Also, the louvers                                                                                                                                                                                     
have been removed.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Check it out,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Date: 26-Apr-99 23:32:08 +0200                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello everyone,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Can anyone give me the E-mail adress to Darryl Tinnerstet from Olympia, WA.                                                                                                                                                                     
I lost everything                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
during a HDD Crash.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanx                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: DAVEP2@SMTP (Dave Price) {davep2@clipper.net}                                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Re: Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 26-Apr-99 14:49:17 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Do either the Craig or the ASI radios have an auxiliary-in jack on them                                                                                                                                                                       
> (for connecting an external CD player, for example)? If not, would anyone                                                                                                                                                                     
> have a recommendation for a replacement stereo that might include such a                                                                                                                                                                      
> thing?  A tape player would be preferable to a CD player.                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Here are the websites for the generic aux-input capable car stereos that                                                                                                                                                                        
I've found:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
www.poweracoustik.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
www.blaupunkt.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
www.audiovox.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
www.panasonic.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Radio Shack also sells a shaft-mount unit with a front-panel aux in, but                                                                                                                                                                        
their website doesn't have any info; I saw it in a recent mailer.                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Besides Radio Shack, and a couple Audiovox units, you'll have to cut a hole                                                                                                                                                                     
in your console face to fit the stereo.  This isn't that bad if you have a                                                                                                                                                                      
small rotary tool, a steady hand, and a cutting disc.  The Blaupunkt units                                                                                                                                                                      
have the aux-input in the back which is much nicer for my setup.  I have a                                                                                                                                                                      
Blaupunkt Apsen and a laptop playing MP3s connected to the rear.                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Good luck!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
- Dave                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 26-Apr-99 18:48:32 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have hooked up a 10 disc CD changer and mounted it on the rear shelf.  Hook                                                                                                                                                                   
up is a snap to the origional radio.  Sounds great too.  And if I needed to                                                                                                                                                                     
take it out for origionality, about five minutes.                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
JimmyC                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
VIN# 15880                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Long Trips                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 26-Apr-99 18:59:15 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
If your D reaches 220, I bet your fans are NOT coming on. Check your fan diode                                                                                                                                                                  
located in the relay comparment. My D never gets above 150 on the gage. When it                                                                                                                                                                 
warms up I can hear the fans cut in and watch the temp gage drop 5-10 degrees                                                                                                                                                                   
and then they cut out.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Michel Poulin wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>  Over the weekend my friend and I put 300 miles on the D. It was a mix of                                                                                                                                                                     
> city and highway. The D much prefers the highway as aposed to stop and go.                                                                                                                                                                    
>   The water temp would shoot up to 220 in a matter of minuts when we                                                                                                                                                                          
> started goingfrom stop light to stop light.  Once we got moving again, the                                                                                                                                                                    
> temp would drop below 150 quickly. By design, it's just not ment to sit                                                                                                                                                                       
> idel.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Radio inputs                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 26-Apr-99 19:25:06 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
ron                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
I fitted a Sonycdx81 to my Delorean the head unit fitted with no adjustment                                                                                                                                                                     
and the auto changer fits perfectly under the bonnet (vertical against the                                                                                                                                                                      
bulk head) the problem I had was the rear speakers .They are so hard to get                                                                                                                                                                     
too ,and after you do the original Craig ones are such an odd shape! I had to                                                                                                                                                                   
spend a few weeks making new cradles for them from "Plastimole"                                                                                                                                                                                 
The result though was great and I kept all the old stuff to keep everyone                                                                                                                                                                       
happy if I ever sell!                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Neil in Scotland                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: CAPASSO@SMTP (Joe Capasso) {capasso@cyberenet.net}                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: Raffled DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 26-Apr-99 18:37:07 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
    I purchased a DeLorean raffle ticket from Chad Sorce.  The cost was                                                                                                                                                                         
$40.  My ticket number was 504.  At the time, Chad Sorce had said that he                                                                                                                                                                       
expected to sell at least another 100 tickets.  I recently e-mailed him                                                                                                                                                                         
asking him who won.  His response was that he will post the results on the                                                                                                                                                                      
web page as soon as he recieves permission from the winner to use her name                                                                                                                                                                      
in public.  He said, "All I can tell you right now is the winner came from                                                                                                                                                                      
Honey Creek Wisc."  I doubt the whole thing was a scam, but I do feel that                                                                                                                                                                      
her name should be posted with a picture of her standing next to her                                                                                                                                                                            
prize....                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Joe                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
capasso@cyberenet.net                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
VIN: I wish...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Henderlong wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Does anyone know if the DeLorean being raffled off at:                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> http://www.piusxi.org/DeLorean.html                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> was actually won?  The raffle was supposed to be last                                                                                                                                                                                         
> month.  It'd be interesting to know who got the car and                                                                                                                                                                                       
> how many tickets they bought (i.e., how much they "paid"                                                                                                                                                                                      
> for it!).  Anybody hear what happened?                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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From: MPOULIN@SMTP (Michel Poulin) {mpoulin@poulincomm.com}                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: Raffled DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 26-Apr-99 20:05:33 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <3>.0.1.32.19990426165429.006f1078                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  I called up their office a day before the rafel and used my credit card                                                                                                                                                                       
to pay $100 for three tickets. I asked for confermation via e-mail of the                                                                                                                                                                       
ticket numbers. I neither got confermation, nor have I seen the charge on                                                                                                                                                                       
my credit card bill. Last I looked, they hadn't updated their web page                                                                                                                                                                          
with any of the information they stated that they would provide. (reason I                                                                                                                                                                      
waited so long to get my tickets, I was waiting for the illusive info.)                                                                                                                                                                         
   I too would be interested in finding out the dirt on that car.                                                                                                                                                                               
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On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Brian Henderlong wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Does anyone know if the DeLorean being raffled off at:                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> http://www.piusxi.org/DeLorean.html                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> was actually won?  The raffle was supposed to be last                                                                                                                                                                                         
> month.  It'd be interesting to know who got the car and                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: MPOULIN@SMTP (Michel Poulin) {mpoulin@poulincomm.com}                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: Raffled DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 26-Apr-99 20:11:03 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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as a PS                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
  I've just sent an e-mail to one of the guys in charge of the auction.                                                                                                                                                                         
I'll pass any info on to the list that I get.                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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From: HALDEMAN@SMTP (Josh Haldeman) {haldeman.4@osu.edu}                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: Upside-down DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 26-Apr-99 20:56:46 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dear List,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
    The site where the pictures of the wreck were supposed to be                                                                                                                                                                                
(http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/delorean/index2.html) was setup weird.  I don't                                                                                                                                                                   
know how they worked it, but when I clicked on the hyperlinked text, all I got                                                                                                                                                                  
was a blank page.  My brother advised me that if I typed in the word                                                                                                                                                                            
"toolbar.html" over where "index2.html" was in the address that it would then                                                                                                                                                                   
work, and it did.  I then got to the photo gallery page where the pictures were                                                                                                                                                                 
supposed to be, and they were not there.  I asked the owner of that page to send                                                                                                                                                                
me a copy of the pix via e-mail, but when he sent them, they arrived in an                                                                                                                                                                      
unreadable format.  The specific error I got was "invalid header".  I don't know                                                                                                                                                                
what this means, but I know that the picture would not open up.                                                                                                                                                                                 
    I got tired of the wild goose chase, so I got on the East Lansing police                                                                                                                                                                    
station site, and viewed the picture they had of the tragedy.  They also included                                                                                                                                                               
a copyright notice on the picture, so you'll have to go to that site and check it                                                                                                                                                               
out for yourself.  I hope my URL listing works!  By the way, it's only worth                                                                                                                                                                    
seeing if you feel like getting really upset over the wanton destruction of the                                                                                                                                                                 
most fabulous car ever built. (reminiscent of the tragic scene at the end of BTTF                                                                                                                                                               
III)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Never-the-less, perhaps viewing it will encourage us all to further understand                                                                                                                                                                  
the importance of a good safe parking place for our one-of-a-kind cars at all                                                                                                                                                                   
times.  It will have been a total loss only if we fail to learn nothing from it!                                                                                                                                                                
http://www.ci.east-lansing.mi.us/Riot/images/1413.jpg                                                                                                                                                                                           
    -Josh                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
     VIN 5102                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Martin Gutkowski wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Dear Brian,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I have forwarded all the advice people have generously put up on the DML, but                                                                                                                                                                 
> my original post was a couple of weeks after Clare first contacted me due to                                                                                                                                                                  
> the problems with the DML. Unfortunately she hasn't replied - maybe it's                                                                                                                                                                      
> something to do with her term-times (maybe she's gone home to Ireland), but I                                                                                                                                                                 
> will certainly keep you all posted.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I too never saw those pictures, as I think Clare didn't either!                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Martin                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Brian Henderlong wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> > Anyone hear anything further about the DeLorean that was turned over by the                                                                                                                                                                 
> > rioting college students?  Has anyone heard from the owner?                                                                                                                                                                                 
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > I'm curious to know what kind of service his/her insurance company is                                                                                                                                                                       
> > giving, whether there are any more pictures online, and whether any civil                                                                                                                                                                   
> > or criminal suits have been filed.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Just wondering,                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> > mailto:bhenderlong@mindspring.com                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> > VIN#: working on it...                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] Re: Upside-down DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 26-Apr-99 21:45:05 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I just wanted to invite everybody to my new page with pics of the turned over                                                                                                                                                                   
DeLorean that was vandalized during the East Lansing Riot. It is a very                                                                                                                                                                         
archaic site and I cant promise that all of the pics are working at the                                                                                                                                                                         
moment, but none-the-less its up. They are there for you to enjoy so please                                                                                                                                                                     
feel free to stop by. You may visit it at:                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
http://members.xoom.com/PipelineRecs/dmchome.html                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Enjoy,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: DMCJOE@SMTP (DMC Joe) {DMCJOE@att.net}                                                                                                                                                                                                    
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Subject: [DML] Re: Interesting Clutch Problem                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 27-Apr-99 0:21:39 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Lee,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Concerning owners who say they have no problems with the plastic clutch                                                                                                                                                                         
line, I present the following challenge.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Drive your "D" for at least one hour during a hot summer day; 95 degrees F                                                                                                                                                                      
plus. Than enter a big city downtown traffic jam with stop & go traffic for                                                                                                                                                                     
another hour. If at that point you can shift the car without gear clash or                                                                                                                                                                      
not being able to shift gears at all, I would be very surprised.                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The fact of the matter is that the plastic line will start to expand under                                                                                                                                                                      
very high heat conditions and constant pedal action.                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: Lee <lseiler@radiance.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Re: Interesting Clutch Problem                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 12:52 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> At 01:15 AM 4/26/99 -0400, you wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> >Marc & Lee,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> >Shortly after the DeLorean hit the streets the infamous "plastic clutch                                                                                                                                                                      
> >line" problems started popping up all over the country. In an effort to                                                                                                                                                                      
> >correct the problem an adjustable clutch pedal link was manufactured and                                                                                                                                                                     
> >supplied to dealers for replacement. (Service Bulletin No. ST-07-9/82).                                                                                                                                                                      
The                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> >problem was that in order to compensate for the loss of pedal action the                                                                                                                                                                     
> >link could be easily over adjusted this caused the master cylinder                                                                                                                                                                           
plunger                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> >to travel too far in the bore causing premature failure of the master                                                                                                                                                                        
> >cylinder. The adjustable link should only be considered as temporary,                                                                                                                                                                        
> >replacing the factory plastic line with the stainless braided is the                                                                                                                                                                         
only                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> >way to go.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> reply:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Joe,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> 	So if I understand what you are saying, that some D's may have this                                                                                                                                                                          
> adjustable part and this part can be over adjusted to compensate for loss                                                                                                                                                                     
> of pedel which will cause the master cylinder to fail.                                                                                                                                                                                        
> 	Also that the stainless line is the correct and permanent fix for both?                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> 	I replaced my plastic line a while back so I expect the new master                                                                                                                                                                           
> cylinder to last                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> for a while. I also note that some owners report no problems in spite of                                                                                                                                                                      
> the plastic line.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Lee                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Lee                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Re: Long Trips                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 27-Apr-99 1:04:27 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Michel,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
The problem with your cooling system is air trapped in the coolant lines.                                                                                                                                                                       
Air bleed the cooling system and your "D" will run nice and cool.                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Michel Poulin wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> >  Over the weekend my friend and I put 300 miles on the D. It was a mix                                                                                                                                                                      
of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> > city and highway. The D much prefers the highway as aposed to stop and                                                                                                                                                                      
go.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> >   The water temp would shoot up to 220 in a matter of minuts when we                                                                                                                                                                        
> > started goingfrom stop light to stop light.  Once we got moving again,                                                                                                                                                                      
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > temp would drop below 150 quickly. By design, it's just not ment to sit                                                                                                                                                                     
> > idel.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Re: Raffled DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 27-Apr-99 1:07:28 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Sounds like this raffle story is getting very interesting. Keep us posted.                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Michel Poulin <mpoulin@poulincomm.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Re: Raffled DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 8:05 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>   I called up their office a day before the rafel and used my credit card                                                                                                                                                                     
> to pay $100 for three tickets. I asked for confermation via e-mail of the                                                                                                                                                                     
> ticket numbers. I neither got confermation, nor have I seen the charge on                                                                                                                                                                     
> my credit card bill. Last I looked, they hadn't updated their web page                                                                                                                                                                        
> with any of the information they stated that they would provide. (reason                                                                                                                                                                      
I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> waited so long to get my tickets, I was waiting for the illusive info.)                                                                                                                                                                       
>    I too would be interested in finding out the dirt on that car.                                                                                                                                                                             
>  -=mike=-                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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> On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Brian Henderlong wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> > Does anyone know if the DeLorean being raffled off at:                                                                                                                                                                                      
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > http://www.piusxi.org/DeLorean.html                                                                                                                                                                                                         
> >                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> > was actually won?  The raffle was supposed to be last                                                                                                                                                                                       
> > month.  It'd be interesting to know who got the car and                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: loose steering                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 27-Apr-99 1:33:30 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Neil,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
The fix is to replace the bushing with a new one. To replace it you don't                                                                                                                                                                       
remove the steering wheel, you remove the steering column.                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: NELLYMAC1@aol.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Re: loose steering                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 10:31 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I have the exact opposite ! my steering is really tight and a squeaking                                                                                                                                                                       
noise                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> is louder than the stereo will go! If I point the car round a tight                                                                                                                                                                           
corner I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> can take my hands of the wheel ,lay down and have a nice cup of tea,                                                                                                                                                                          
forty                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> winks ,read a book and the car still keeps the same track ( a real party                                                                                                                                                                      
> trick to scare them all ) I know there is a problem but I,m sure its just                                                                                                                                                                     
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> bush where the colum goes through the bulk head                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Does anyone know a fix as to be honest the last time I went to tackle the                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> problem I spent a few hours without getting the steering wheel off !!                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> help would be helpful!                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> Neil in Scotland                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> VIN#2119                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] Re: Lo-Jack                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: 27-Apr-99 1:37:40 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Installing a Lo-Jack system in a DeLorean is like wearing a parachute on a                                                                                                                                                                      
major airline. Insurance company statistics indicate that car thieves avoid                                                                                                                                                                     
exotic cars especially the DeLorean.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The Lo-Jack system is without a doubt the best vehicle recovery system                                                                                                                                                                          
available, it should be no more difficult to install in a DeLorean than in                                                                                                                                                                      
any other car, I just don't think it would ever be used.                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Paraversal@aol.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Lo-Jack                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 10:51 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I was just wondering if any owners out there have had the Lo-Jack vehicle                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> recovery system installed in their DeLorean, and what the real benefits                                                                                                                                                                       
of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> the system are. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Lo-Jack, it is                                                                                                                                                                       
NOT                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> an alarm system, but more of a homing device that the police use to track                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> stolen cars. If your car is stolen with a Lo-Jack system on board, they                                                                                                                                                                       
will                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> track it and the police will retrieve it. Now honestly I do not like to                                                                                                                                                                       
> change my DeLorean in the slightest. I really wouldn't want many changes                                                                                                                                                                      
made                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> to the car. Does anyone out there have this installed on their DeLorean?                                                                                                                                                                      
What                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> do you think of it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Curious Justin                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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I wanted to know if anyone knows if Y2K will affect the onboard computer in the "D"                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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To: GGUILLOT@ENMCC (Greg Guillot)                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Prototype                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 27-Apr-99 7:45:17 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Saw the same "#2 prototype" car at a Detroit auction over the week-end. It                                                                                                                                                                      
is                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
the same car                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
that was purchased by a Detroit car dealer at the Las Vegas auction for                                                                                                                                                                         
$10,000. It has sliding windows...a differently designed engine                                                                                                                                                                                 
cover...front air intake, etc. Bidding for the car did not meet the reserve                                                                                                                                                                     
but I noticed from the "still for sale" tag placed on the car after the                                                                                                                                                                         
bidding had ended that the dealer who owns it is now asking $14,000. Pretty                                                                                                                                                                     
inexpensive for a major piece of automotive history (I guess I'm biased).                                                                                                                                                                       
There appeared to be mainly dealers at this auction so they were not                                                                                                                                                                            
interested in this kind of investment and most of the non-dealer types at                                                                                                                                                                       
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
auction could have been put off by the ill fitting doors and body panels,                                                                                                                                                                       
etc.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
although the car was drawing a lot of lookers.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Cliff McComb                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Detroit, MI                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
VIN # 11546                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] D on M2/ Hilton head SC                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 27-Apr-99 19:27:30 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I too saw the D on M2. I was just reading the paper and happened to look                                                                                                                                                                        
up and see the vj sitting on the front of the D ( talk about a nice                                                                                                                                                                             
shock). I was going to post, but though I would be the only one.                                                                                                                                                                                
  Also  are there any list members in Hilton head SC? I will be there on                                                                                                                                                                        
vacation May 15-21 and am planning on driving my D.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 28-Apr-99 2:37:48 +0100                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi All!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm interested to buy my D. soon (5 speed) and I need to know few technical aspects of the car, and these are: Exist any "oficial" or "legal" version of the Turbo DMC 12?, May be some "Twin Turbo" version?, If the answer is NO, could somebo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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<DIV>I'm interested to buy my D. soon (5 speed) and I need to know few technical                                                                                                                                                                
aspects of the car, and these are: Exist any <STRONG>&quot;oficial&quot;                                                                                                                                                                        
</STRONG>or<STRONG> &quot;legal&quot;</STRONG> version of the                                                                                                                                                                                   
<STRONG>Turbo</STRONG> DMC 12?, May be some &quot;<STRONG>Twin                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Subject: [DML] Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Date: 27-Apr-99 22:02:51 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have a sagging passenger door which seems to be more affected by cold                                                                                                                                                                         
weather.  Two questions:  How do I know this is the strut and not the                                                                                                                                                                           
adjustment, second, where is the best place to purchase door struts,                                                                                                                                                                            
preferably heavy duty cold weather types. I read of a supplier of                                                                                                                                                                               
similar struts but cannot find it in the archives. Thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Stalling, etc,-                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 28-Apr-99 3:10:00 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have just gotten almost all of the bugs out of #2904 that I bought last fall except  when the gas tank is down to 4-5 gals the car begins to stall out when I corner sharply                                                                  
or stop suddely.  We replaced the fuel pump and soft with age intake fuel hose making sure the new one lies flat on the bottom of the tank .Gas filter looks ok but with small hole/opening.                                                    
Secondly, brake pedal goes to floor on some "panic" stops                                                                                                                                                                                       
only ,fine rest of the time.                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
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From: VERONICA@SMTP (Veronica McGroggan) {veronica.mcgroggan@chmeds.ac.nz}                                                                                                                                                                      
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Subject: [DML] De Lorean Cars                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 28-Apr-99 15:57:39 +1200                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I am a student studying Marketing, and as part of our case study into John                                                                                                                                                                      
de Lorean, we have been researching some information.   Are you able to                                                                                                                                                                         
tell me please whether there are any registered De Lorean car owners in New                                                                                                                                                                     
Zealand and/or Australia, and also if you have any De Lorean agents in                                                                                                                                                                          
either of these two countries.                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
With many thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] The Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Date: 28-Apr-99 3:16:27 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Guys-                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
(Dont get me wrong, i still LOVE the DeLorean!)Does anyone have a                                                                                                                                                                               
Bricklin, or seen a Bricklin lately? They seem interesting. Ya,                                                                                                                                                                                 
know...with the buttons you press to open the doors, and not having to                                                                                                                                                                          
use the keys to open them...How did THEY get out of buisness? There's a                                                                                                                                                                         
site that said, "It had a similar fate to the DeLorean." That's all it                                                                                                                                                                          
said. What type of engine, how fast could it go, and all that stuff i                                                                                                                                                                           
want to know. If anyone has an intteresting site i could go to, it                                                                                                                                                                              
would be greatly appriciated. I've been wanteing to know that for quite                                                                                                                                                                         
some time now. Thank you guys for all your help.                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
-Pedar Benson Bate                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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Subject: [DML] Brake master cylinder rebuild kit                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 28-Apr-99 10:21:35 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The other day I was driving along and when I hit the brakes, the pedal went                                                                                                                                                                     
all the way to the floor.  I hit it again and it was fine.  (since that                                                                                                                                                                         
first time, it has only happened one other time but I'm not going to take                                                                                                                                                                       
any chances)  Does anyone know where I can get a brake master cylinder                                                                                                                                                                          
rebuild kit from?  I've got the Girling part number for it (SP7243) but no                                                                                                                                                                      
one has it!   If not, does anyone know what other car used the same brake                                                                                                                                                                       
master cylinder?  I've also got the number for the master cylinder (74660518                                                                                                                                                                    
& 74066116) but I can't find these anywhere either.  Any help would be                                                                                                                                                                          
greatly appreciated.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] engine removeing                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 28-Apr-99 13:03:44 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <19990427054525>.YIF21715                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  The D I've been working on (I really do need to get the vin for you                                                                                                                                                                           
guys) leaks a bit of oil. To look at the gaskits around the timeing chain                                                                                                                                                                       
cover and the oil-pan, it looks like the red form-a-gaskit some people use                                                                                                                                                                      
on their valve covers. We've heard that this was done at the factory with                                                                                                                                                                       
the expectation that these cars would come in for service and have the                                                                                                                                                                          
real gaskits installed, but not all of the cars returned in time. (very                                                                                                                                                                         
early '81) We have the kit to replace the gaskits and have been thinking                                                                                                                                                                        
that we could either try to lift the engine up a few inches at the back w/                                                                                                                                                                      
the mount bolts removed, OR (prefered) remove the engine.  In looking at                                                                                                                                                                        
the car, it looks like it would make for a simple job to remove the engine                                                                                                                                                                      
by removeing the back of the car. Are we at least on the right track? All                                                                                                                                                                       
of the other engines I've removed have been out of larger cars with much                                                                                                                                                                        
more clearance around the engine to get it out of the hood area.                                                                                                                                                                                
  Any info would be helpful. The engine has just over 9k miles on it and                                                                                                                                                                        
we'd like to get the seal tight on the oil pan as the botom of the engine                                                                                                                                                                       
already looks like crap from the oil.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Subject: [DML] Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 28-Apr-99 15:05:31 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Does anyone have info on a good place to get my rims chromed.  I have seen several pics of D's with chromed rims and I like them a lot better than my painted ones.  Thanks for the help.                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Dash Board Cover                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 28-Apr-99 17:51:40 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Does anyone know where i can get a dash board cover?  I've been trying                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Mike Substenly                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 28-Apr-99 20:32:26 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Fuel Tank                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 29-Apr-99 1:26:10 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In my quest to clean up the fuel system, a tank scrubbing is in order.  But... I                                                                                                                                                                
can't get the thing out.  Everything has been removed (pump, sender, plumbing,                                                                                                                                                                  
and access cover) but the tank won't budge an inch.  Aside from climbing in the                                                                                                                                                                 
trunk and jumping up and down on it, are there any tricks to getting this thing                                                                                                                                                                 
out?  So far I've tried pushing, pulling, shoving, hitting, wrenching and                                                                                                                                                                       
swearing and so far swearing has been the only thing that makes any difference                                                                                                                                                                  
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Subject: [DML] dashboard cover                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 29-Apr-99 1:50:20 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Anyone know a source for a vinyl dash cover? Past messages in archives refer to DashMat, but the company says they only have carpet or velour covers now.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: The Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 28-Apr-99 22:09:31 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hello,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Last year while driving down a road in new jersey i saw one.  It was for                                                                                                                                                                        
sale,  it was a white 75 i believe.  it had 10k miles on it.  We saw it said                                                                                                                                                                    
'Was that a bricklyn" and made a sharp turn around.  We say it,  the guy                                                                                                                                                                        
wanted $10k for it.  The inside was in ok shape.  The doors seemed to make                                                                                                                                                                      
it hard to get in it.  The inside is not as nice as the DeLorean.  The owner                                                                                                                                                                    
was there and we had to head on.  We never got to test drive it.  Ohh well.                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
- Shain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hey People wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Guys-                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> (Dont get me wrong, i still LOVE the DeLorean!)Does anyone have a                                                                                                                                                                             
> Bricklin, or seen a Bricklin lately? They seem interesting. Ya,                                                                                                                                                                               
> know...with the buttons you press to open the doors, and not having to                                                                                                                                                                        
> use the keys to open them...How did THEY get out of buisness? There's a                                                                                                                                                                       
> site that said, "It had a similar fate to the DeLorean." That's all it                                                                                                                                                                        
> said. What type of engine, how fast could it go, and all that stuff i                                                                                                                                                                         
> want to know. If anyone has an intteresting site i could go to, it                                                                                                                                                                            
> would be greatly appriciated. I've been wanteing to know that for quite                                                                                                                                                                       
> some time now. Thank you guys for all your help.                                                                                                                                                                                              
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Subject: [DML] Re: Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 28-Apr-99 23:03:32 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Josh-                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Try a plating company.  My husband and I used to have a small paint shop, and                                                                                                                                                                   
some of our items (like the brush covers for floor cleaning machines) were                                                                                                                                                                      
chrome plated .  We gave a clear finish to the underside.                                                                                                                                                                                       
You can probably find someone that you know who has a connection.                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Dash Board Cover                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 28-Apr-99 23:14:04 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I ordered a very nice dashboard cover for my D about four years ago through                                                                                                                                                                     
Pep Boys in Jax, Fla. As I recall it only cost $35.00. It is gray to match my                                                                                                                                                                   
interior,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
and still looks like new. It has really protected my dash; it still looks                                                                                                                                                                       
like new.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Brian McCabe, Santa Rosa Beach, Fla.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 28-Apr-99 23:21:58 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Purchase replacement struts from PJ Grady or DMC Houston. Install the new                                                                                                                                                                       
strut on the sagging door, if the door goes all the way up than you have                                                                                                                                                                        
corrected the problem, if it continues to sag you will need a torsion bar                                                                                                                                                                       
adjustment.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> Subject: [DML] Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 10:02 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I have a sagging passenger door which seems to be more affected by cold                                                                                                                                                                       
> weather.  Two questions:  How do I know this is the strut and not the                                                                                                                                                                         
> adjustment, second, where is the best place to purchase door struts,                                                                                                                                                                          
> preferably heavy duty cold weather types. I read of a supplier of                                                                                                                                                                             
> similar struts but cannot find it in the archives. Thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 28-Apr-99 23:27:06 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Josh,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
The wheels your seeing are most likley stripped and polished. Some have                                                                                                                                                                         
black put between the "spokes" and are clear coated. I'm also looking                                                                                                                                                                           
for someone in my area to do mine. I think metal refinishing shops                                                                                                                                                                              
sometimes offer this service.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Re: engine removeing                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 28-Apr-99 23:47:42 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Michel,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Form-a-gasket was never used at the factory, all the engines left the                                                                                                                                                                           
engine manufacturing plant in Douvrain France completely assembled with                                                                                                                                                                         
factory gaskets in place. When they arrived at the DMC plant they were                                                                                                                                                                          
installed as is, all that was necessary was to attach electric's and                                                                                                                                                                            
plumbing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
To completely remove the engine follow the procedures at C:04:01 in the                                                                                                                                                                         
Workshop Manual.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The PRV is an extremely well sealed engine, most oil leaks occur at the oil                                                                                                                                                                     
sender, change this item and its seal and you may find that your oil leak                                                                                                                                                                       
will go away.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Michel Poulin <mpoulin@poulincomm.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] engine removeing                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 1:03 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>   The D I've been working on (I really do need to get the vin for you                                                                                                                                                                         
> guys) leaks a bit of oil. To look at the gaskits around the timeing chain                                                                                                                                                                     
> cover and the oil-pan, it looks like the red form-a-gaskit some people                                                                                                                                                                        
use                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> on their valve covers. We've heard that this was done at the factory with                                                                                                                                                                     
> the expectation that these cars would come in for service and have the                                                                                                                                                                        
> real gaskits installed, but not all of the cars returned in time. (very                                                                                                                                                                       
> early '81) We have the kit to replace the gaskits and have been thinking                                                                                                                                                                      
> that we could either try to lift the engine up a few inches at the back                                                                                                                                                                       
w/                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> the mount bolts removed, OR (prefered) remove the engine.  In looking at                                                                                                                                                                      
> the car, it looks like it would make for a simple job to remove the                                                                                                                                                                           
engine                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> by removeing the back of the car. Are we at least on the right track? All                                                                                                                                                                     
> of the other engines I've removed have been out of larger cars with much                                                                                                                                                                      
> more clearance around the engine to get it out of the hood area.                                                                                                                                                                              
>   Any info would be helpful. The engine has just over 9k miles on it and                                                                                                                                                                      
> we'd like to get the seal tight on the oil pan as the botom of the engine                                                                                                                                                                     
> already looks like crap from the oil.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] FW:  Prototype                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 28-Apr-99 23:52:16 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
What are the other differences between the prototype and the regular D.  Seems like even in the rotten state of the car, that to have a prototype for 14 K would be quite a steal.  How many prototypes were there?  It would be nice to see the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
David Levey                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Cleveland                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Sent:	Tuesday, April 27, 1999 7:45 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                           
To:	dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Subject:	[DML] Prototype                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Saw the same "#2 prototype" car at a Detroit auction over the week-end. It                                                                                                                                                                      
is                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
the same car                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
that was purchased by a Detroit car dealer at the Las Vegas auction for  $10,000. It has sliding windows...a differently designed engine cover...front air intake, etc. Bidding for the car did not meet the reserve but I noticed from the "sti
Cliff McComb                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Detroit, MI                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
VIN # 11546                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Tank                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 29-Apr-99 0:01:30 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
To remove the tank. Take off the fuel tank closing plate (part # 101716). I                                                                                                                                                                     
think there are about 20 or 21 bolts to remove. Tank slides out from the                                                                                                                                                                        
bottom.  Be sure and take care with the foam attached ( parts 106686,                                                                                                                                                                           
106689,106711,106687, and 106688.) to the tank. These need to be put back in                                                                                                                                                                    
with the cleaned out tank.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Bruce Battles                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Vin 6569                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Tank                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 29-Apr-99 0:08:47 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Luke,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
DON'T REMOVE THE TANK. It is not necessary to remove the tank for cleaning.                                                                                                                                                                     
the entire interior of the tank can be accessed through the fuel pump                                                                                                                                                                           
opening. It does help to have slender arms to reach the far corners of the                                                                                                                                                                      
tank. If you must remove the tank there are 6 foam rubber mounts                                                                                                                                                                                
surrounding the tank, these mounts adhere to the adjoining frame pieces                                                                                                                                                                         
with age. You will have to scrape these pieces away in order to remove the                                                                                                                                                                      
tank. Removing the tank is no advantage to cleaning it is very labor                                                                                                                                                                            
intensive and is not necessary.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Luke.Sandel@cmich.edu                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Fuel Tank                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 9:26 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> In my quest to clean up the fuel system, a tank scrubbing is in order.                                                                                                                                                                        
But... I                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> can't get the thing out.  Everything has been removed (pump, sender,                                                                                                                                                                          
plumbing,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> and access cover) but the tank won't budge an inch.  Aside from climbing                                                                                                                                                                      
in the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> trunk and jumping up and down on it, are there any tricks to getting this                                                                                                                                                                     
thing                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
> out?  So far I've tried pushing, pulling, shoving, hitting, wrenching and                                                                                                                                                                     
> swearing and so far swearing has been the only thing that makes any                                                                                                                                                                           
difference                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
> (makes me feel better at least :).                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Thanks for any help,                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
> Luke                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: The Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 29-Apr-99 9:09:45 +0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Bricklens and DeLoreans have a lot in common.  They were both ventures                                                                                                                                                                          
of single entropenures have gull wing doors, were only in production 18                                                                                                                                                                         
months and were both produced in the middle of recessions.  (Where the                                                                                                                                                                          
resessons created to make sure these car makers did not succeed?)                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The bricklen was conceived as a safety vehicle. (50 mph head on                                                                                                                                                                                 
surviability without air bags, had hydralic doors (later up graded to                                                                                                                                                                           
compressed air) and excellant side impact protection.  The 390 V-8                                                                                                                                                                              
powered car with the 3.42 could turn the quarter mile in the mid 14s.  A                                                                                                                                                                        
true performance car.  Fuel economy was only 13 mpg.                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
We have been trying to encourage joint events with Bricklin owners.                                                                                                                                                                             
They have been provided with our meeting schedule for the national                                                                                                                                                                              
magazine. I encourage other clubs to also seek out these people. If you                                                                                                                                                                         
need info please contact me directly.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Deloreans owners should be aware that over 50% of all Bricklins have                                                                                                                                                                            
been modified from stock.  This has improved the cars and the modified                                                                                                                                                                          
ones are actually worth more than the stock cars (provided the are                                                                                                                                                                              
improved in good taste. )                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Mike Substenly                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 29-Apr-99 0:13:49 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Sean,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Mike's e mail is msubstel@lorainccc.edu                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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> From: Sean Jones <shain@noln.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                             
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Mike Substenly                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 8:32 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Hello,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Can i get mike substenly's e-mail address?                                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> - Shain                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Tank                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 28-Apr-99 21:14:13 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The fuel tank is snugged in between the frame bars with foam strips.                                                                                                                                                                            
The foam usually hardens up, making the plastic tank *very* snug.  Try                                                                                                                                                                          
spraying some WD-40 or other silicone lubricant on the foam strips.                                                                                                                                                                             
Then, slide a long and very thin piece of metal or a long skinny                                                                                                                                                                                
screwdriver between the foam and the tank or body.  Working from the                                                                                                                                                                            
bottom of the car, try to get your hands around the small end of the                                                                                                                                                                            
tank, and pull down hard.  The tank is strong, and you probably cannot                                                                                                                                                                          
do any damage by just pulling on it with your hands.  I removed my tank                                                                                                                                                                         
a while ago and had it sent to be boiled in a professional tank cleaning                                                                                                                                                                        
service.  Once your tank is out, make sure it is very clean, and change                                                                                                                                                                         
all or most of the other rubber parts in it to keep dirt and decomposed                                                                                                                                                                         
rubber from accumulating again.  Good luck                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Brake master cylinder rebuild kit                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 29-Apr-99 0:19:52 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Duke,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
There is another alternative to this situation, you could send your unit                                                                                                                                                                        
out for a rebuild; check out Apple Hydraulics (1-800-882-7753).  They can                                                                                                                                                                       
re-sleeve it for about $70.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: Duke <at88mph@mobis.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Brake master cylinder rebuild kit                                                                                                                                                                                              
> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 11:21 AM                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> The other day I was driving along and when I hit the brakes, the pedal                                                                                                                                                                        
went                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
> all the way to the floor.  I hit it again and it was fine.  (since that                                                                                                                                                                       
> first time, it has only happened one other time but I'm not going to take                                                                                                                                                                     
> any chances)  Does anyone know where I can get a brake master cylinder                                                                                                                                                                        
> rebuild kit from?  I've got the Girling part number for it (SP7243) but                                                                                                                                                                       
no                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
> one has it!   If not, does anyone know what other car used the same brake                                                                                                                                                                     
> master cylinder?  I've also got the number for the master cylinder                                                                                                                                                                            
(74660518                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> & 74066116) but I can't find these anywhere either.  Any help would be                                                                                                                                                                        
> greatly appreciated.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 29-Apr-99 0:26:22 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Daniel,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
Turbo Manifold Co. out of Natick MA manufactures an excellent twin turbo                                                                                                                                                                        
for the DeLorean. Contact them at 800 449-1248 for information. There is no                                                                                                                                                                     
ABS brake system available.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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From: Daniel Delmastro Luriaud <dandelluri@ctv.es>                                                                                                                                                                                              
To: DeLorean Mail List <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Subject: [DML] RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:37 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi All!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm interested to buy my D. soon (5 speed) and I need to know few technical                                                                                                                                                                     
aspects of the car, and these are: Exist any "oficial" or "legal" version                                                                                                                                                                       
of the Turbo DMC 12?, May be some "Twin Turbo" version?, If the answer is                                                                                                                                                                       
NO, could somebody tell me if is possible to make this adaptation to the                                                                                                                                                                        
original PRV engine, and may be give me an idea of how much this operation                                                                                                                                                                      
could cost?, and, what turbo brand could be better?. May be I will need                                                                                                                                                                         
better brake system, it is possible to fit an ABS to the D.?. Thanks a lot                                                                                                                                                                      
in advance and receive a warm greeting!                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Daniel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: Stalling, etc,-                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 29-Apr-99 0:47:36 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hesitation when turning or stopping is an indication of a problem with the                                                                                                                                                                      
fuel baffle.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
You said you replaced the pick-up hose and it lies flat on the bottom of                                                                                                                                                                        
the tank, it should be attached to the fuel baffle. Some cars that have                                                                                                                                                                         
been serviced by non DeLorean service centers have had the baffle removed.                                                                                                                                                                      
Make sure that, first, you have a fuel baffle and secondly be sure that it                                                                                                                                                                      
is installed correctly.                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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> From: mbslaw@webtv.net                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Subject: [DML] Stalling, etc,-                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:10 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I have just gotten almost all of the bugs out of #2904 that I bought last                                                                                                                                                                     
fall except  when the gas tank is down to 4-5 gals the car begins to stall                                                                                                                                                                      
out when I corner sharply                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> or stop suddely.  We replaced the fuel pump and soft with age intake fuel                                                                                                                                                                     
hose making sure the new one lies flat on the bottom of the tank .Gas                                                                                                                                                                           
filter looks ok but with small hole/opening.                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> Secondly, brake pedal goes to floor on some "panic" stops                                                                                                                                                                                     
> only ,fine rest of the time.                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
> Help,suggestions?                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>                          Michael (D Lore N)(fla plate)                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 28-Apr-99 22:06:52 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm not sure what you mean by "legal" or "official" version but you                                                                                                                                                                             
can turbocharge just about any car.  Depending on how much boost you                                                                                                                                                                            
want to run will determine the cost and difficulty of installation.                                                                                                                                                                             
You'll need to have a machine shop make custom exhaust manifolds to                                                                                                                                                                             
bolt up a turbo(s).   Unless there is an aftermarket kit that I am                                                                                                                                                                              
unaware of.  Garrett and Turbonetics are a good place to start                                                                                                                                                                                  
looking for turbos.  You'll need a wastegate, blow off valve, and an                                                                                                                                                                            
intercooler if you want to run more than 5psi(recommended).  If you                                                                                                                                                                             
have any more questions let me know.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>From: "Daniel Delmastro Luriaud" <dandelluri@ctv.es>                                                                                                                                                                                           
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>Subject: [DML] RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:37:48 +0100                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Hi All!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>I'm interested to buy my D. soon (5 speed) and I need to know few                                                                                                                                                                              
technical aspects of the car, and these are: Exist any "oficial"                                                                                                                                                                                
or "legal" version of the Turbo DMC 12?, May be some "Twin Turbo"                                                                                                                                                                               
version?, If the answer is NO, could somebody tell me if is possible                                                                                                                                                                            
to make this adaptation to the original PRV engine, and may be give                                                                                                                                                                             
me an idea of how much this operation could cost?, and, what turbo                                                                                                                                                                              
brand could be better?. May be I will need better brake system, it is                                                                                                                                                                           
possible to fit an ABS to the D.?. Thanks a lot in advance and                                                                                                                                                                                  
receive a warm greeting!                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Stalling, etc,-                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 28-Apr-99 22:07:56 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If you brake pedal is going to the floor it is probably your master                                                                                                                                                                             
cylinder.  If you replace your fuel pump and hoses check to see if                                                                                                                                                                              
your injectors need cleaning.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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>To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>Subject: [DML] Stalling, etc,-                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:10:00 -0000                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>I have just gotten almost all of the bugs out of #2904 that I bought                                                                                                                                                                           
last fall except  when the gas tank is down to 4-5 gals the car                                                                                                                                                                                 
begins to stall out when I corner sharply                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>or stop suddely.  We replaced the fuel pump and soft with age intake                                                                                                                                                                           
fuel hose making sure the new one lies flat on the bottom of the                                                                                                                                                                                
tank .Gas filter looks ok but with small hole/opening.                                                                                                                                                                                          
>Secondly, brake pedal goes to floor on some "panic" stops                                                                                                                                                                                      
>only ,fine rest of the time.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>Help,suggestions?                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>                         Michael (D Lore N)(fla plate)                                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Re: Brake master cylinder rebuild kit                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 28-Apr-99 22:07:56 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Yes it is definitely your master cylinder.  This exact problem                                                                                                                                                                                  
happened to me on a Volvo I used to own.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>From: "Duke" <at88mph@mobis.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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>To: <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>Subject: [DML] Brake master cylinder rebuild kit                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:21:35 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>The other day I was driving along and when I hit the brakes, the                                                                                                                                                                               
pedal went                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>all the way to the floor.  I hit it again and it was fine.  (since                                                                                                                                                                             
that                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>first time, it has only happened one other time but I'm not going to                                                                                                                                                                           
take                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>any chances)  Does anyone know where I can get a brake master                                                                                                                                                                                  
cylinder                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>rebuild kit from?  I've got the Girling part number for it (SP7243)                                                                                                                                                                            
but no                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>one has it!   If not, does anyone know what other car used the same                                                                                                                                                                            
brake                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
>master cylinder?  I've also got the number for the master cylinder                                                                                                                                                                             
(74660518                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>& 74066116) but I can't find these anywhere either.  Any help would                                                                                                                                                                            
be                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>greatly appreciated.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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>Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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Subject: [DML] Re: RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 29-Apr-99 1:40:19 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
In-reply-to: <00A101BE9117E861>03e0$028619d4                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Daniel Delmastro Luriaud wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I'm interested to buy my D. soon (5 speed) and I need to know few                                                                                                                                                                             
> technical aspects of the car, and these are: Exist any "oficial" or                                                                                                                                                                           
> "legal" version of the Turbo DMC 12?, May be some "Twin Turbo"                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There were factory prototypes of a twin turbo setup for the DeLorean which                                                                                                                                                                      
was, like almost everything else about the car, way ahead of its time.                                                                                                                                                                          
It included computer-controlled boost (common on modern cars, not so much                                                                                                                                                                       
in the early 1980s) and probably produced well in excess of 200 HP.                                                                                                                                                                             
Unfortunately, this model of DeLorean was scheduled for 1984 year                                                                                                                                                                               
production and was never built, except as prototypes.  Steve Wynne at DMC                                                                                                                                                                       
Houston has one.  This is called the "Legend" turbo.                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You can get an aftermarket turbo upgrade setup called the "Island" turbo.                                                                                                                                                                       
It is made by Eleanor Rogers at Turbo Manifold in... Ohio?  The 2nd                                                                                                                                                                             
dmcnews.com 'zine' has lots of information on this.  It is modeled after                                                                                                                                                                        
the Legend turbo kit, but is less advanced.  Unlike the prototypes, it has                                                                                                                                                                      
no boost controller (AFAIK) and no intercoolers.  There was some musings                                                                                                                                                                        
on the list about intercooling the Island kit (or adapting them to a                                                                                                                                                                            
totally different turbo engine) a couple months ago, and one of the list                                                                                                                                                                        
members made some preliminary (and quite good) drawings, but nothing ever                                                                                                                                                                       
came of it.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The Island kit comes (or used to) in two versions, one with catalytic                                                                                                                                                                           
converters and one without.  The one without may no longer be available, I                                                                                                                                                                      
don't know for sure.  The one with converters passes emissions and the one                                                                                                                                                                      
without doesn't, usually.  These versions run fairly low boost pressure of                                                                                                                                                                      
about 6-7 lbs and have a correspondingly low increase in HP.  It used to                                                                                                                                                                        
be said that the Island kit made just about exactly 200 HP, but the                                                                                                                                                                             
current conventional wisdom is that it's probably somewhat less than that                                                                                                                                                                       
- maybe 170 or 180 HP.  It is still an improvement over the stock 130+HP                                                                                                                                                                        
and moves the powerband up in the RPM range, which also helps.  I believe                                                                                                                                                                       
the Island kit costs about $3000-$4000.  It's supposedly a pretty                                                                                                                                                                               
straightforward bolt-on conversion, but I've never installed one myself.                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> could be better?. May be I will need better brake system, it is                                                                                                                                                                               
> possible to fit an ABS to the D.?. Thanks a lot in advance and receive                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The DeLorean brakes are adequate for normal street driving, and there                                                                                                                                                                           
aren't many people who race DeLoreans, so brake upgrades are few and far                                                                                                                                                                        
between.  I haven't found any, and as usual, the first guy that does                                                                                                                                                                            
something like this gets to do all the work for everybody else. ;)                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Note that this does not mean they don't exist, but simply that I haven't                                                                                                                                                                        
found them on the web or on the smattering of brake-related shops I've                                                                                                                                                                          
talked to.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The brakes of choice, at least for me, are Porsche, and I think your                                                                                                                                                                            
eventual choice in brake upgrades would depend on what else you're                                                                                                                                                                              
upgrading.  If you change out the wheels too (which can be done) then you                                                                                                                                                                       
may find enough space in there for big 14" vented rotors; rotors are more                                                                                                                                                                       
or less all the same (in that they are round and bolt on in the middle)                                                                                                                                                                         
and a good machine shop can attach just about any rotor to just about any                                                                                                                                                                       
braking assembly, as long as it will physically fit in the wheel.  If you                                                                                                                                                                       
want to keep the stock wheels, the size of the front wheels is the                                                                                                                                                                              
limiting factor, since front brakes are more important.                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You'll need new calipers too; get calipers from the same sort of car you                                                                                                                                                                        
got the rotors off of, so it all fits nicely, and have your speed shop of                                                                                                                                                                       
choice attach it.  Take lots of measurements so everything fits, and be                                                                                                                                                                         
prepared to spend a lot.  Your new calipers will probably demand new                                                                                                                                                                            
cylinders too, but, to be honest, that's the easy part. :} Just be sure                                                                                                                                                                         
you don't kill yourself getting everything straightened out since your                                                                                                                                                                          
cylinders must all be properly sized.  Choice of good calipers from a                                                                                                                                                                           
high-performance car will also supply you with a wide variety of                                                                                                                                                                                
performance brake pads.                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I could recommend ultimategarage.com as a place to start if you're serious                                                                                                                                                                      
about serious brakes.  Their stuff is pricey, but they would probably be                                                                                                                                                                        
willing to do most of this custom work.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As for ABS, I would stay away from it.  Although ABS is a fairly valuable                                                                                                                                                                       
safety feature, it is extremely difficult to add to a car as an                                                                                                                                                                                 
aftermarket upgrade.  Note that ABS doesn't really reduce your stopping                                                                                                                                                                         
distance, but instead simply reduces the risk of losing control of the                                                                                                                                                                          
car in a skid.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] (DML Stalling...                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 29-Apr-99 3:48:24 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Michael writes:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have just gotten almost all of the bugs out of #2904 that I bought last                                                                                                                                                                       
fall except  when the gas tank is down to 4-5 gals the car begins to stall                                                                                                                                                                      
out when I corner sharply                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
or stop suddely.  We replaced the fuel pump and soft with age intake fuel                                                                                                                                                                       
hose making sure the new one lies flat on the bottom of the tank .Gas filter                                                                                                                                                                    
looks ok but with small hole/opening.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Secondly, brake pedal goes to floor on some "panic" stops                                                                                                                                                                                       
only ,fine rest of the time.                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Help,suggestions?                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                         Michael (D Lore N)(fla plate)                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Michael, i think that the problem you have is the same thing i had with my                                                                                                                                                                      
car.  the "filter that i think you are referring to is actually called a                                                                                                                                                                        
baffel.  the important thing here is that the hole in the middle is to secure                                                                                                                                                                   
it to the bottom of the fuel tank.  mine actually ran out of gas on me with a                                                                                                                                                                   
little over half a tank of fuel.  what you need to do is, with half a tank of                                                                                                                                                                   
fuel, feel down into the tank through the fuel pump hole, and feel for a bolt                                                                                                                                                                   
at the bottom of the tank.  there should be a 10mm nut in there too, although                                                                                                                                                                   
there wasnt one in my tank, that secures the baffle to the nut.  what was                                                                                                                                                                       
happening was the baffle began to float in the fuel after the fuel was being                                                                                                                                                                    
used.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
good luck,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
james (stainls)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 29-Apr-99 8:25:10 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There is a lot of information in the archives on Turbos.                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The "official" turbo delorean was built by Legend Industries.  The car                                                                                                                                                                          
never made it to production, but there are a few prototype cars still                                                                                                                                                                           
around.  They are usually expensive.                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There are a number of turbo kits for add on to the PRV6.  I have the                                                                                                                                                                            
Island twin turbo kit, which is a twin turbo setup.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Most of the turbo kit's are limited to 6lbs to avoid ring damage to the                                                                                                                                                                         
engine.  The spec's of the Island drop the 0-60 time from 10 seconds to                                                                                                                                                                         
7 seconds.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Most of the delorean service centers have their favorite turbo kit to                                                                                                                                                                           
install.  Most of the kits I have seen are single turbo.  I have never                                                                                                                                                                          
rode in one, but I am told that the performance of twin VS single is                                                                                                                                                                            
about the same.  The single turbo is obviously cheaper.                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I recently spoke to Don at Delorean Motor Center, and it sounds like he                                                                                                                                                                         
is currently working on modern improvements to his turbo setup.                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have heard of no major brake improvements to the DMC.  One of the list                                                                                                                                                                        
members sells braided brake lines, and others have tried drilled                                                                                                                                                                                
rotors.  I am not an advocate of drilled rotors, but I do have the set                                                                                                                                                                          
of the brake lines.  It was a minor improvement I would recommend to                                                                                                                                                                            
anyone who has 18 year old rubber lines.                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Daniel Delmastro Luriaud wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Hi All!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I'm interested to buy my D. soon (5 speed) and I need to know few                                                                                                                                                                             
> technical aspects of the car, and these are: Exist any "oficial" or                                                                                                                                                                           
> "legal" version of the Turbo DMC 12?, May be some "Twin Turbo"                                                                                                                                                                                
> version?, If the answer is NO, could somebody tell me if is possible                                                                                                                                                                          
> to make this adaptation to the original PRV engine, and may be give me                                                                                                                                                                        
> an idea of how much this operation could cost?, and, what turbo brand                                                                                                                                                                         
> could be better?. May be I will need better brake system, it is                                                                                                                                                                               
> possible to fit an ABS to the D.?. Thanks a lot in advance and receive                                                                                                                                                                        
> a warm greeting!                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Daniel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
> dandelluri@ctv.es                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 29-Apr-99 8:28:18 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
All of the DeLorean service centers sell the door struts.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If you strut is old, replace them first.  If that does not fix it, then                                                                                                                                                                         
you need to have it adjusted.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Adjusting the doors should be done by someone who knows what they are                                                                                                                                                                           
doing, and has the right tools.  Many have smashed their back window                                                                                                                                                                            
trying to adjust the doors improperly.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
cooney@pathway.net wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> I have a sagging passenger door which seems to be more affected by cold                                                                                                                                                                       
> weather.  Two questions:  How do I know this is the strut and not the                                                                                                                                                                         
> adjustment, second, where is the best place to purchase door struts,                                                                                                                                                                          
> preferably heavy duty cold weather types. I read of a supplier of                                                                                                                                                                             
> similar struts but cannot find it in the archives. Thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                    
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Mike                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: The Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 29-Apr-99 9:29:41 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Pedar,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The Bricklin came with two different engines.  Some have a Ford 351 CID                                                                                                                                                                         
Windsor and some have an AMC 360 CID.  I've never actually seen one, but I                                                                                                                                                                      
know some folks who have.  From what I've gathered, Bricklins suffered from a                                                                                                                                                                   
quality problem.  I believe this probably sealed their fate.  That and the                                                                                                                                                                      
fact that Malcolm Bricklin was a rich man who had no experience in the car                                                                                                                                                                      
business like DeLorean had.  I think Bricklin's company simply ran out of                                                                                                                                                                       
money.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The Organization of Bricklin Owners is having a gathering September 16-18 at                                                                                                                                                                    
the Charlotte, NC Speedway to celebrate the Bricklin's 25th anniversary.  I'm                                                                                                                                                                   
going to try and go one day just so that I can see a Bricklin SV1 for myself                                                                                                                                                                    
and compare it to my DeLorean.  This event is advertised in "Hemmings Motor                                                                                                                                                                     
News."  The man to contact is Joseph F. DeLorenzo at 716-247-1575.  He can                                                                                                                                                                      
probably tell you some sites and give you some info on events relating to the                                                                                                                                                                   
Bricklin like the one I mentioned.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I hope this helps.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Date: 29-Apr-99 8:47:38 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Daniel - There is a single factory-built twin turbo DeLorean.  This was                                                                                                                                                                         
a prototype.  No factory built turbocharged DeLoreans were available                                                                                                                                                                            
to the general public.  Turbo kits are available as bolt-on accessories.                                                                                                                                                                        
There are at least two available.  Expect to pay $5000 to $7000 to have                                                                                                                                                                         
a kit installed.  I can't make a call on which kit is better as I have no                                                                                                                                                                       
first hand experience with any of them.                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
ABS was also not available and I know of no properly                                                                                                                                                                                            
engineered ABS system that can be retrofitted to the car.  Larger                                                                                                                                                                               
disks and calipers can be added along with larger wheels and                                                                                                                                                                                    
lower profile tires.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike. Griese                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
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"Daniel Delmastro Luriaud" <dandelluri@ctv.es> on 04/27/99 08:37:48 PM                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject:  [DML] RV: Need Tech Info.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi All!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm interested to buy my D. soon (5 speed) and I need to know few technical                                                                                                                                                                     
aspects of the car, and these are: Exist any "oficial" or "legal" version                                                                                                                                                                       
of the Turbo DMC 12?, May be some "Twin Turbo" version?, If the answer is                                                                                                                                                                       
NO, could somebody tell me if is possible to make this adaptation to the                                                                                                                                                                        
original PRV engine, and may be give me an idea of how much this operation                                                                                                                                                                      
could cost?, and, what turbo brand could be better?. May be I will need                                                                                                                                                                         
better brake system, it is possible to fit an ABS to the D.?. Thanks a lot                                                                                                                                                                      
in advance and receive a warm greeting!                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 29-Apr-99 8:48:57 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Mike - sagging in cold weather is you clue for weak struts.                                                                                                                                                                                     
Any of the DeLorean parts providers have struts available                                                                                                                                                                                       
at reasonable prices.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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cooney@pathway.net on 04/27/99 09:02:51 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject:  [DML] Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have a sagging passenger door which seems to be more affected by cold                                                                                                                                                                         
weather.  Two questions:  How do I know this is the strut and not the                                                                                                                                                                           
adjustment, second, where is the best place to purchase door struts,                                                                                                                                                                            
preferably heavy duty cold weather types. I read of a supplier of                                                                                                                                                                               
similar struts but cannot find it in the archives. Thanks.                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: The Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 29-Apr-99 10:02:28 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <19990428101627>.12053.rocketmail                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Greetings,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
  Two sites to stop by for info on the Bricklin. One is my own                                                                                                                                                                                  
http://www.poulincomm.com/coolcars                                                                                                                                                                                                              
 the other is Bricklin International at                                                                                                                                                                                                         
http://webus80.wang.com/BI/                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  Nice cars, but not as well designed and built as the DeLoreans. There                                                                                                                                                                         
are three engines found in them, all V8's. Only built in '74-76 with a                                                                                                                                                                          
final car count of around 3000. (like the DeLorean several cars were built                                                                                                                                                                      
by the receivers after the plant closed.) Built in two plants in New                                                                                                                                                                            
Brunswick Canada, Malcolm Bricklin was at a loss do to a poor economy,                                                                                                                                                                          
rocketing gas prices, and a shortage of parts. While he didn't go down in                                                                                                                                                                       
the blaze that JZD did, his car company went down in a similar way. The                                                                                                                                                                         
New Brunswick government quit paying out money to the plant because                                                                                                                                                                             
production numbers were slipping. Durring two months of 75 no cars were                                                                                                                                                                         
produced, and for the '76 model year, only 2 cars were made. There are                                                                                                                                                                          
about 1600 Bricks left on the road today.                                                                                                                                                                                                       
   The Bricklin was built on mostly detriot parts, and like the DeLorean,                                                                                                                                                                       
except for the body panels, everything can be found for a price fairly                                                                                                                                                                          
easily.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
In a road and track issue ('75) the '74 and '75 Bricklin was pitted                                                                                                                                                                             
against the '75 vette and won in all areas except for some finising                                                                                                                                                                             
details that Malcolm would have been able to work out had the car survived                                                                                                                                                                      
the mid '70's crunch.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
  Details about the car that you'll want to know before getting one:                                                                                                                                                                            
   The almost ALL LEAK from the door seals.                                                                                                                                                                                                     
   While the body won't rust, these 25 year old frames are starting to                                                                                                                                                                          
fall apart much like a DeLorean frame w/ rips in the epoxy.                                                                                                                                                                                     
   The hydrolic doors should be retroed w/ an air ram system as the                                                                                                                                                                             
hydrolic system had a tendancy to be slow and leak.                                                                                                                                                                                             
   The Majority of these cars came as automatics.. take that as you may.                                                                                                                                                                        
   These cars SHOULD NOT BE PAINTED w/o PROPER prep. there are 5 colors                                                                                                                                                                         
that they came in, red, orange, green, suntan, and white. If you find one                                                                                                                                                                       
in any other color, beware! if it wasn't painted properly the paint will                                                                                                                                                                        
eat through the acrilic body.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  Hmm, I had ment to keep this message short, if you want to read more or                                                                                                                                                                       
know more, I can point you in the right direction.                                                                                                                                                                                              
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On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Hey People wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> use the keys to open them...How did THEY get out of buisness? There's a                                                                                                                                                                       
> site that said, "It had a similar fate to the DeLorean." That's all it                                                                                                                                                                        
> said. What type of engine, how fast could it go, and all that stuff i                                                                                                                                                                         
> want to know. If anyone has an intteresting site i could go to, it                                                                                                                                                                            
> would be greatly appriciated. I've been wanteing to know that for quite                                                                                                                                                                       
> some time now. Thank you guys for all your help.                                                                                                                                                                                              
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> -Pedar Benson Bate                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Tank                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 29-Apr-99 10:07:11 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <PID10664>.1999.April.28.6:26.408560.                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
  We left the tank in place, removed the screen, lines, etc, and used a                                                                                                                                                                         
small person with golves to reach inside with small towels and wiped all                                                                                                                                                                        
of the crap to the center where we could shop vac it out. I'm sure that                                                                                                                                                                         
there are a thousand reasons not to do it this way, but it has seemed to                                                                                                                                                                        
work.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
  Just a note, remember, it's a gas tank, don't smoke while cleaning it.                                                                                                                                                                        
;)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 Luke.Sandel@cmich.edu wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> In my quest to clean up the fuel system, a tank scrubbing is in order.  But... I                                                                                                                                                              
> can't get the thing out.  Everything has been removed (pump, sender, plumbing,                                                                                                                                                                
> and access cover) but the tank won't budge an inch.  Aside from climbing in the                                                                                                                                                               
> trunk and jumping up and down on it, are there any tricks to getting this thing                                                                                                                                                               
> out?  So far I've tried pushing, pulling, shoving, hitting, wrenching and                                                                                                                                                                     
> swearing and so far swearing has been the only thing that makes any difference                                                                                                                                                                
> (makes me feel better at least :).                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> Thanks for any help,                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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Subject: [DML] Re: Stalling, etc,-                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 29-Apr-99 15:52:54 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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<SNIP> Secondly, brake pedal goes to floor on some "panic" stops                                                                                                                                                                                
only ,fine rest of the time.<SNIP>                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Not sure on the first part, but as per the brakes, I have heard that if you have air in the brake system, that that could cause the problem.  You might want to try bleeding the system and refilling with new brake fluid.  At the same time do
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Brake master cylinder rebuild kit                                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 29-Apr-99 15:58:52 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <000A01BE918AE157>e1e0$cacac9cf                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
<SNIP> Does anyone know where I can get a brake master cylinder <SNIP>                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I don't know about a rebuild kit but I know where you can get a new one...                                                                                                                                                                      
I just had to replace my master cylinder also.                                                                                                                                                                                                  
You can get new ones from PJ Grady                                                                                                                                                                                                              
www.pjgrady.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I believe the cost was something like $165                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: engine removeing                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 29-Apr-99 13:13:41 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <19990429045336>.BNTS28576                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks for the info. We'll have to get the Workshop Manual. All we have                                                                                                                                                                         
now is the parts manual.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
  As far as the gaskets go, somone told us that the form-a-gasket had been                                                                                                                                                                      
used, from your info I take it that that's a li. people will do that for                                                                                                                                                                        
some dumb reason or another. For what it's worth though, this engine has                                                                                                                                                                        
been pulled apart then. the red gasket glue is ozzeing out of several bolt                                                                                                                                                                      
holes. The Oil leak is from the pan and front cover. We've found several                                                                                                                                                                        
bolts that were loose, and a couple missing on both the cover and pan.                                                                                                                                                                          
When ever we tighten them the oil will quit dripping for a few days, then                                                                                                                                                                       
it starts again. The sending unit it tight. (and wouldn't cause oil drops                                                                                                                                                                       
on the other side of the engine.)                                                                                                                                                                                                               
 Thanks!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, DMC Joe wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Michel,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> Form-a-gasket was never used at the factory, all the engines left the                                                                                                                                                                         
> engine manufacturing plant in Douvrain France completely assembled with                                                                                                                                                                       
> factory gaskets in place. When they arrived at the DMC plant they were                                                                                                                                                                        
> installed as is, all that was necessary was to attach electric's and                                                                                                                                                                          
> plumbing.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> To completely remove the engine follow the procedures at C:04:01 in the                                                                                                                                                                       
> Workshop Manual.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> The PRV is an extremely well sealed engine, most oil leaks occur at the oil                                                                                                                                                                   
> sender, change this item and its seal and you may find that your oil leak                                                                                                                                                                     
> will go away.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
> DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                
> Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Tank                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 29-Apr-99 13:32:06 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Hi Luke,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I had the same problem with mine when I first got my car. I made the mistake of                                                                                                                                                                 
draining all the fuel out first. Wished I had left it in later though. The way I got                                                                                                                                                            
mine out was just by pushing and prying. BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO POKE A HOLE IN THE                                                                                                                                                              
TANK, IT IS PLASTIC. You do need to remove the two cooling pipes that run along each                                                                                                                                                            
side of the tank. It makes life a lot easier. The book says to just move them out of                                                                                                                                                            
the way but they always pop back. Work at the small back end of the tank. The front                                                                                                                                                             
part sits on a shelf and must be moved rearward to drop down. Make sure you have                                                                                                                                                                
your shop jack under the the tank when it starts to drop. The tank empty only weighs                                                                                                                                                            
about 20-30 pounds. You might try fishing a wire over the top to give you something                                                                                                                                                             
to pull down on.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dave                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Luke.Sandel@cmich.edu wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> In my quest to clean up the fuel system, a tank scrubbing is in order.  But... I                                                                                                                                                              
> can't get the thing out.  Everything has been removed (pump, sender, plumbing,                                                                                                                                                                
> and access cover) but the tank won't budge an inch.  Aside from climbing in the                                                                                                                                                               
> trunk and jumping up and down on it, are there any tricks to getting this thing                                                                                                                                                               
> out?  So far I've tried pushing, pulling, shoving, hitting, wrenching and                                                                                                                                                                     
> swearing and so far swearing has been the only thing that makes any difference                                                                                                                                                                
> (makes me feel better at least :).                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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Subject: [DML] Re: The Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 29-Apr-99 15:17:36 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Some other interesting facts about the Bricklin SV-1 (Safety Vehicle). The                                                                                                                                                                      
car was designed and manufactured without an ashtray, as smoking and driving                                                                                                                                                                    
at the same time was considered dangerous. The suspension was derived from an                                                                                                                                                                   
AMC Javelin. It is also rumored that the first 800 were said to cost over                                                                                                                                                                       
$10,000 more to build than their sticker price.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 29-Apr-99 16:15:37 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Josh,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You can't chrome aluminum rims or aluminum materials.                                                                                                                                                                                           
Aluminum must be anodized.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
What you do see are most likely machined and polished rims with a clear                                                                                                                                                                         
protective coating to prevent discoloration and pitting.                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If you do machine the original rims, make sure they are rebalanced afterwards                                                                                                                                                                   
and all are the same closed approximate weight.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The other rims you see, is not or may not be original DMC.  If you do replace                                                                                                                                                                   
rims with non DMC rims, make sure they fit properly.  The bolt on pattern is                                                                                                                                                                    
a must.  When the rims with the tires are mounted onto the car they must                                                                                                                                                                        
clear the wheel well, while they are in motion.  No scraping or chaffing                                                                                                                                                                        
during driving -- bumps, turning, stopping and etc.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Also make sure the new rims can handle the different dynamic stresses while                                                                                                                                                                     
the car is in motion.  I understand that there are rims that do fit (not too                                                                                                                                                                    
many manufactured or choices). The rims and tires are subjected to different                                                                                                                                                                    
"stresses."  These rims that are available may not be able to handle the                                                                                                                                                                        
different stresses that the rims are subjected to during usage.  You don't                                                                                                                                                                      
want the rims to crack to break off.  Remember, in this case, looks may not                                                                                                                                                                     
equate to safety.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: [Fwd: Belfast N.Ireland.]                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 29-Apr-99 13:29:47 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have done a non-stop Tulsa-Las Vegas & non-stop Tulsa-Snowmass trip                                                                                                                                                                           
in my DMC,  (Conventions).  Bucket seats are rated the most comfy of                                                                                                                                                                            
any style, & my bu-tochs definitely agrees.    Two-cents worth from a                                                                                                                                                                           
road-warrior.   Drive Stainless     Robert                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@worldnet.att.net>                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>To: <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>Subject: [DML] Re: [Fwd:  Belfast N.Ireland.]                                                                                                                                                                                                  
>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:11:33 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>After reading several accounts of opinions regarding the comfort of                                                                                                                                                                            
the                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>DeLorean for long periods of time in the driver seat I have to                                                                                                                                                                                 
comment. I've                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
>crisscrossed the U.S. many times in my DeLorean, most of the time                                                                                                                                                                              
with                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>friends who also were driving DeLoreans. Our common concensus was                                                                                                                                                                              
that we                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>felt less tired after putting long hours in the saddle in this car                                                                                                                                                                             
than of                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>any other vehicle we'd traveled in. We found the car seemed the                                                                                                                                                                                
happiest at                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>about 80 to 90 mph and 900 mile days were not all that out of the                                                                                                                                                                              
ordinary                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
>for us. To classify the car as strictly a boulevard cruiser is to do                                                                                                                                                                           
it a                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
>great injustice. There isn't another car I'd rather put those many                                                                                                                                                                             
miles per                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>day with than my DeLorean.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Bruce Benson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Re: engine removeing                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 29-Apr-99 21:10:27 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
In-reply-to: <PINE>.LNX.3.95.990429130329.10678A-100000                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
 > When ever we tighten them the oil will quit dripping for a few days, then                                                                                                                                                                    
> it starts again. The sending unit it tight. (and wouldn't cause oil drops                                                                                                                                                                     
> on the other side of the engine.)                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I have an oil leak very much like this.  I found out after much searching (of course it wouldn't leak while I was looking at it) that the oil was leaking from the purge valve on the oil pan for draining the oil.  Of course my luck the thing
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Maybe I'm totally off on your problem.  But who knows, I never expected that this problem was caused by something so simple!!!                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: DELOREAN@SMTP {DeLorean31@aol.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Reply-to: DMCNEWS @ SMTP {dmcnews@egroups.com}                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Subject: [DML] Re: engine removeing                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 29-Apr-99 17:26:58 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In a message dated 4/29/99 3:56:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,                                                                                                                                                                                    
mpoulin@poulincomm.com writes:                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
<< The sending unit it tight. (and wouldn't cause oil drops                                                                                                                                                                                     
 on the other side of the engine.)                                                                                                                                                                                                              
  Thanks!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
  -=mike=- >>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Well there is an oil sender for the guage on one side and a sender for the                                                                                                                                                                      
oil light on the other so it could be a sender leaking.  The one on the                                                                                                                                                                         
driver's side for the light is prone to leaking                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Gary                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
VIN 3360                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Stalling, etc,-                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 29-Apr-99 17:15:20 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: <mbslaw@webtv.net>                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
To: <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 10:10 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Subject: [DML] Stalling, etc,-                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
> I have just gotten almost all of the bugs out of #2904 that I bought last                                                                                                                                                                     
fall except  when the gas tank is down to 4-5 gals the car begins to stall                                                                                                                                                                      
out when I corner sharply                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
> or stop suddely                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DMC modified the fuel baffles starting with vin #4782. Baffles prior to that                                                                                                                                                                    
tended to dissolve over time when immersed in gasoline. I'm not sure if they                                                                                                                                                                    
would completly dissolve but they did tend to melt into an unusable shape.                                                                                                                                                                      
I'd guess that's one of the reasons they're hard to come by now.                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Bruce Benson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 29-Apr-99 21:01:04 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The fact that the problem is worse in cold weather would emply that the                                                                                                                                                                         
problem is the strut  as the gas is not expanding as much as it should in the                                                                                                                                                                   
coldweather and many years has reduced the level                                                                                                                                                                                                
( I had the same thing) I got new sruts from Delorean1 and although quite                                                                                                                                                                       
expensive were as perfect as you would expect ,however afterwards I came                                                                                                                                                                        
across an advert for a company that re fills the gas in them for around a                                                                                                                                                                       
tenth of the cost so try and look down that street first.                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 29-Apr-99 21:09:32 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
snip-----> You can't chrome aluminum rims or aluminum materials.                                                                                                                                                                                
Aluminum must be anodized.<-----snip                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Uh, sorry... that is wrong. Aluminum can be chromed. It is done all the time at the motorcycle shop I work at. Look at all the aftermarket wheels out there that are chromed... and they ARE chromed. Any aluminum wheel can be chromed, but it 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: 	KayoOng@aol.com[SMTP:KayoOng@aol.com]                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Sent: 	Thursday, April 29, 1999 4:15 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                         
To: 	dmcnews@egroups.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Subject: 	[DML] Re: Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Josh,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You can't chrome aluminum rims or aluminum materials.                                                                                                                                                                                           
Aluminum must be anodized.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
What you do see are most likely machined and polished rims with a clear                                                                                                                                                                         
protective coating to prevent discoloration and pitting.                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If you do machine the original rims, make sure they are rebalanced afterwards                                                                                                                                                                   
and all are the same closed approximate weight.                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The other rims you see, is not or may not be original DMC.  If you do replace                                                                                                                                                                   
rims with non DMC rims, make sure they fit properly.  The bolt on pattern is                                                                                                                                                                    
a must.  When the rims with the tires are mounted onto the car they must                                                                                                                                                                        
clear the wheel well, while they are in motion.  No scraping or chaffing                                                                                                                                                                        
during driving -- bumps, turning, stopping and etc.                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Also make sure the new rims can handle the different dynamic stresses while                                                                                                                                                                     
the car is in motion.  I understand that there are rims that do fit (not too                                                                                                                                                                    
many manufactured or choices). The rims and tires are subjected to different                                                                                                                                                                    
"stresses."  These rims that are available may not be able to handle the                                                                                                                                                                        
different stresses that the rims are subjected to during usage.  You don't                                                                                                                                                                      
want the rims to crack to break off.  Remember, in this case, looks may not                                                                                                                                                                     
equate to safety.                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kayo Ong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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From: COLONEL$@SMTP (Will Preissner) {colonel_zipp@yahoo.com}                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Delorean Font                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 29-Apr-99 20:29:37 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Hey there!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I know it's been posted before but does anyone know a website where I could order/find the DeLorean True Type Font?                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I'm a freshman at Virginia Tech majoring in Industrial Design. I'm doing my final project on the history and technology of the DeLorean. It'd be great if I could use the font in my presentation.                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Will Preissner                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
will.preissner@vt.edu                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
<A HREF = "http://www.idsa.org">IDSA</A>                                                                                                                                                                                                        
<A HREF = "http://www.vt.edu">VT</A>                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
P.S. any other students or industrial or automotive designers out there?<hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>                                                                                                                                    
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From: BHENDERL@SMTP (Brian Henderlong) {bhenderlong@mindspring.com}                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] painted pics wanted                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Date: 30-Apr-99 0:57:16 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Like many enthusiasts, I enjoy hunting for pictures of DeLoreans on the                                                                                                                                                                         
internet -- especially painted ones, because they are so uncommon.  I've                                                                                                                                                                        
seen a few dozen pics of red DeLoreans, five or six pics of green ones, and                                                                                                                                                                     
even a couple of white ones.                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I don't know about you, but I've only seen two pics of black DeLoreans, and                                                                                                                                                                     
only one pic of a yellow DeLorean.  I love stainless steel DeLoreans, but I                                                                                                                                                                     
happen to think the cars look great in colors, as well.  I've been on this                                                                                                                                                                      
list since early '96, and have never seen a webpage that collected pics of                                                                                                                                                                      
painted DeLoreans.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Do any of you have pics of black, yellow, or any other color DeLoreans that                                                                                                                                                                     
you could share with the rest of us?  If you do, please post the URL, or                                                                                                                                                                        
e-mail them to me -- with the photograph-owner's permission, I'll set up a                                                                                                                                                                      
"Painted DMCs Only" webpage to share them with everyone!                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks in advance,                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
Brian Henderlong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
DOA# 4977                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] Re: The Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 30-Apr-99 1:12:04 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Being the owner of  Deloreans and  Bricklins I find that the Bricklins are                                                                                                                                                                      
less                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
likely to breakdowns and a much easier car to drive and mechanically parts                                                                                                                                                                      
are very easy to locate (1975 Ford 351ci)but the Deloreans are superior in                                                                                                                                                                      
fit and trim appearance,and better grade materials,and the fact that only 75                                                                                                                                                                    
Bricklins were made with 4 speeds and only in 1974(360ci amc motor)but the                                                                                                                                                                      
Bricklin being built as a SV-1(Safety Vehicle Model 0ne)has it over the                                                                                                                                                                         
Delorean if you should get in a serious accident,overall I would rate both                                                                                                                                                                      
cars as very nice cars to own,also both cars came without paint,the Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                    
had acrylic bonded to the Fiberglass.                                                                                                                                                                                                           
Also did anybody realize John Z. Delorean cannot go back to Ireland because                                                                                                                                                                     
there is a arrest warrant for him.                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Claude                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Delorean vin#000570 / 005688                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
vin#06383 / 10554                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Bricklin Vin#1024 /1136                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Fuel Tank                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 30-Apr-99 2:09:53 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In a message dated 4/29/99 3:57:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,                                                                                                                                                                                    
dsontos@sybercom.net writes:                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
<< The tank empty only weighs                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
 about 20-30 pounds. You might try fishing a wire over the top to give you                                                                                                                                                                      
something                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
 to pull down on. >>                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
No way! I have pulled many a Delorean tanks,empty they weight less than                                                                                                                                                                         
10lbs.How can a Plastic tank weigh 30lbs.                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: ILLYANAD@SMTP (illyana delorean) {illyanadmc@yahoo.com}                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Subject: [DML] Re: The Bricklin                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
Date: 30-Apr-99 1:47:08 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
--- Michel Poulin <mpoulin@poulincomm.com> wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
   The Majority of these cars came as automatics.. take that as you may.                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
i think this is another "brilliant safety feature!" less distractions, i                                                                                                                                                                        
guess. also, bricklins had a cool feature where you could not turn on the                                                                                                                                                                       
car until your (the driver's) seat belt was on. of course, one can bypass                                                                                                                                                                       
this easily - as many members of the bricklin mailing list have noted.                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
if you like bricks, definately join the list! it doesn't even come close                                                                                                                                                                        
to getting as much traffic as this list, but it's fun and i'm on it even                                                                                                                                                                        
thought i don't own a brick (or a D for that matter!) bricks are cool,                                                                                                                                                                          
though, there's a white one here in tucson, and i've gotten to sit in it!                                                                                                                                                                       
my boyfriend says that they look like "armoured 70s-style corvettes!"                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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From: STIEFEL@SMTP (Jack Stiefel) {Stiefel@bladerunnertackle.com}                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 30-Apr-99 9:11:04 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just my 2 cents worth.  While working in Ohio, my business dealt with a                                                                                                                                                                         
wheel company called Transwheel (I am not sure of their number, but it is                                                                                                                                                                       
800 so just call 1-800-555-1212 for number).  Anyway, they refinished my                                                                                                                                                                        
wheels in my "D" with great care. They said it usually costs about $90.00                                                                                                                                                                       
per wheel to refinish them with a turnaround of about a week.  They had mine                                                                                                                                                                    
in 3 days but I was working with them.                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Jack Stiefel                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
President Blade Runner Tackle Corporation                                                                                                                                                                                                       
President Leslie Leasing Corporation                                                                                                                                                                                                            
Visit us at: http://www.bladerunnertackle.com                                                                                                                                                                                                   
or my DeLorean page at:                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html                                                                                                                                                                                          
Ny Lic # 1981 DMC                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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From: KayoOng@aol.com <KayoOng@aol.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                         
To: dmcnews@egroups.com <dmcnews@egroups.com>                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:56 PM                                                                                                                                                                                                          
Subject: [DML] Re: Chrome Wheels                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>Josh,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>You can't chrome aluminum rims or aluminum materials.                                                                                                                                                                                          
>Aluminum must be anodized.                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>What you do see are most likely machined and polished rims with a clear                                                                                                                                                                        
>protective coating to prevent discoloration and pitting.                                                                                                                                                                                       
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>If you do machine the original rims, make sure they are rebalanced                                                                                                                                                                             
afterwards                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>and all are the same closed approximate weight.                                                                                                                                                                                                
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>The other rims you see, is not or may not be original DMC.  If you do                                                                                                                                                                          
replace                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
>rims with non DMC rims, make sure they fit properly.  The bolt on pattern                                                                                                                                                                      
is                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>a must.  When the rims with the tires are mounted onto the car they must                                                                                                                                                                       
>clear the wheel well, while they are in motion.  No scraping or chaffing                                                                                                                                                                       
>during driving -- bumps, turning, stopping and etc.                                                                                                                                                                                            
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
>Also make sure the new rims can handle the different dynamic stresses while                                                                                                                                                                    
>the car is in motion.  I understand that there are rims that do fit (not                                                                                                                                                                       
too                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
>many manufactured or choices). The rims and tires are subjected to                                                                                                                                                                             
different                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
>"stresses."  These rims that are available may not be able to handle the                                                                                                                                                                       
>different stresses that the rims are subjected to during usage.  You don't                                                                                                                                                                     
>want the rims to crack to break off.  Remember, in this case, looks may not                                                                                                                                                                    
>equate to safety.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
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>Kayo Ong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
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Subject: [DML] No Subject                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Date: 30-Apr-99 9:47:18 -0500                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Dave wrote                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>What are the other differences between the prototype and the regular D.                                                                                                                                                                        
Seems like even in the rotten state of the car, that to have a prototype                                                                                                                                                                        
for 14 K would be quite a steal.  How many prototypes were there?  It would                                                                                                                                                                     
be nice to see the owner of that give us some pics.  If I did not have a D                                                                                                                                                                      
already, I'd snap that one up, even if it needed 7-8K of work to get it                                                                                                                                                                         
into decent shape.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
<                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There is a reason this car is only $14,000.  I would guess that 7-8k                                                                                                                                                                            
wouldn't                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
come close to putting the car into good condition.  Everything on the car                                                                                                                                                                       
would require enormous research to find a replacement or have to be                                                                                                                                                                             
custom made.  Any missing or broken glass or interior trim pieces                                                                                                                                                                               
will be expensive to replace.                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Michael A. Griese                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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Subject: [DML] Re: FW:  Prototype                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 30-Apr-99 11:13:35 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
David,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As well as I remember from "Stainless Steel Illusion"  the windows were one                                                                                                                                                                     
of the main differences between the prototypes and the production models.                                                                                                                                                                       
Also, one of the prototypes had a Citroen 4 cylinder engine.  The second                                                                                                                                                                        
prototype had the PRV.  There were only two prototypes.  I want to say that                                                                                                                                                                     
they had different style knee padding and had tan interiors.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
There are several pictures of them in "Stainless Steel Illusion."                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Voting Results: Where do you get your DeLorean parts?                                                                                                                                                                            
Date: 30-Apr-99 9:29:30 -0600                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Here are the results of the vote:                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
1. Bauerle Automotive, OH			1                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
2. DeLorean Motor Center, CA			2                                                                                                                                                                                                                
3. DeLorean One, CA			2                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
4. Other			2                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
5. Specialty Automotive, WA			4                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
6. DeLorean Motor Company, TX			8                                                                                                                                                                                                               
7. PJ Grady, NY			33                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] prototype                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
Date: 30-Apr-99 12:19:32 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Body panels on the proto appeared more rounded at edges...not sharp like                                                                                                                                                                        
production cars... an indication that they were hand produced. Also the sign                                                                                                                                                                    
on the car indicated that there are velcro tabs on front to interchange                                                                                                                                                                         
alternate front grill panels for test purposes. Front and rear facia were                                                                                                                                                                       
painted bright silver almost as if they were trying to match the stainless.                                                                                                                                                                     
The tailights looked handmade but had the appearance of production lenses.                                                                                                                                                                      
Interior appeared almost stock...even had switches for power windows                                                                                                                                                                            
(although                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
the car itself had sliding plastic). The rear louvre was missing struts. On                                                                                                                                                                     
the whole it looked like everything else was there. No cracks on binnacle or                                                                                                                                                                    
dash that I could see.                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: FW:  Prototype                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 30-Apr-99 12:25:20 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
About a week ago I had the unique opprotunity to sit in the #2 prototype and                                                                                                                                                                    
take photographs (although they turned out somewhat dark) I am planning on                                                                                                                                                                      
posting all of these pictures noting all of the differences. James actually                                                                                                                                                                     
has a very nice page on the prorotype right here on the dmcnews website. Just                                                                                                                                                                   
scroll down a bit and you will see a link.                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Just a thought :-)                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: Door Struts                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Date: 30-Apr-99 12:54:25 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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WHERE? I've got 4 struts that needs to be brought back to life, two door                                                                                                                                                                        
and two louver. (sp)                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
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On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 NELLYMAC1@aol.com wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                    
> ... however afterwards I came                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
> across an advert for a company that re fills the gas in them for around a                                                                                                                                                                     
> tenth of the cost so try and look down that street first.                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Subject: [DML] Re: FW:  Prototype                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Date: 30-Apr-99 13:01:03 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
there is also a nice article on the prots in the Delorean Gold Portfolio book                                                                                                                                                                   
(Brooklands Books) there are some good interior shots (B\W) and the reasons                                                                                                                                                                     
for the changes                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Arrest Warrant...                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Date: 30-Apr-99 10:42:44 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
>Claude, you said:                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
>Also did anybody realize John Z. Delorean cannot go back to Ireland                                                                                                                                                                            
> >because                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
>there is a arrest warrant for him.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Claude, its true there is a warrant for John DeLoreans arrest here in                                                                                                                                                                           
Ireland, but that does not mean he did anything wrong - all it means is that                                                                                                                                                                    
they think they have something on him and would like to ask him to explain                                                                                                                                                                      
it...again                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
In the TV interview with him, produced by Robert Lamrock, John was asked by                                                                                                                                                                     
the interviewer why he thought there was a warrant for his arrest in                                                                                                                                                                            
Ireland. He explained that he has already been acquitted of this charge on 3                                                                                                                                                                    
separate occasions, and since he knows he did nothing wrong, he can't                                                                                                                                                                           
understand the arrest warrant. He also said he feels that there is no                                                                                                                                                                           
justice in Northern Ireland, and he pointed out what happened to the                                                                                                                                                                            
Bermingham 6 & Guilford 4 (people imprisoned and abused for crimes they did                                                                                                                                                                     
not commit). He has a point you know. Why should he come to Ireland, and                                                                                                                                                                        
risk spending years in jail for something he says (and I believe him) he did                                                                                                                                                                    
not do, when his time would be much better spent working on his new car?                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I think its a huge pity the way things turned out for him in Ireland, I'd                                                                                                                                                                       
love for him to visit me here sometime and I'd show him around, but                                                                                                                                                                             
unfortunately that isn't going to happen....but anyway just remember, he                                                                                                                                                                        
never did anything wrong, and imho he definately doesn't deserve that arrest                                                                                                                                                                    
warrant.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
anyway, thats what I think about the "arrest warrant" - ridiculous!                                                                                                                                                                             
I feel better having got that off my chest!                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Best Wishes,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
John Dore, Ireland.                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
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Subject: [DML] Structural Question:                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 30-Apr-99 14:27:09 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I am in the process of installing a windshield in my D when I  took note of                                                                                                                                                                     
just how thin the A pillar and windshield frame were and how little support                                                                                                                                                                     
this part has.  I was wondering if anyone knows if there's any metal                                                                                                                                                                            
reinforcement inside the fiberglass or is it just the 'glass?  Just curious.                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] AC Accumulator                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Date: 30-Apr-99 14:40:47 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I am looking for an old style AC accumulator.  This being the one with                                                                                                                                                                          
the return hose at the bottom.  Yes, I tried Houston and am contacting                                                                                                                                                                          
PG Grady as well. If you know of a source and perhaps a price, please                                                                                                                                                                           
let me know.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Thanks,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                             
Date: 30-Apr-99 21:34:58 +0000                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ok possible dumb question coming so bear with me...                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
As with any thing that sits out for a while in the sun, alot of the outer trim including mirrors, louvers, around the door locks, bumpers, and front windshield are faded.  Now the question is how to get them looking like new.  Armor All onl
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 30-Apr-99 17:37:17 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
I like "Back to black".  I think it is sold by Mothers Gold.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
raynet@home.net wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
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> Ok possible dumb question coming so bear with me...                                                                                                                                                                                           
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> As with any thing that sits out for a while in the sun, alot of the outer trim including mirrors, louvers, around the door locks, bumpers, and front windshield are faded.  Now the question is how to get them looking like new.  Armor All o
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Subject: [DML] RSVP: DeLorean Clubs and Organizations                                                                                                                                                                                           
Date: 30-Apr-99 16:14:26 -0600                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Which of the following DeLorean groups do you belong to?	Select as many as apply!                                                                                                                                                               
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Please select one or more of the following:                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
   o DeLorean Owners Asociation                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
   o DeLorean Motor Club                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
   o Regional DeLorean-only club                                                                                                                                                                                                                
   o Other Regional Club                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
   o DeLorean Mailing List                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
by going to the following Web form:                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
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Subject: [DML] Northern California Gathering                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Date: 30-Apr-99 15:36:51 -0700                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The Northern California DeLorean Motor Club (NCDMC) will be having its                                                                                                                                                                          
first gathering of the year this Sunday:                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Sunday morning May 2nd at 9:30AM                                                                                                                                                                                                                
El Torito restaurant                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
1961 Diamond Blvd                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Concord	(925) 798-7660                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
The El Torito is located in the Willows Shopping Center off of Willow                                                                                                                                                                           
Pass Road at Highway 680. You can see it from the freeway on the east                                                                                                                                                                           
side of the highway.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
We'll be discussing activities for the club, such as road trips to                                                                                                                                                                              
scenic locations, overnighters to the coast and Lake Tahoe, trips to the                                                                                                                                                                        
wine country and car shows in our area. As a reward for attending, I                                                                                                                                                                            
have a piece of original DeLorean memorabilia for every owner. E-mail me                                                                                                                                                                        
if you can come. I'll need to let the restaurant know about how many                                                                                                                                                                            
people will be coming. I'll make the reservation to seat us at 9:30 when                                                                                                                                                                        
the restaurant opens, so please be prompt.                                                                                                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Come on out even if you can't bring your car. We'll start with                                                                                                                                                                                  
breakfast/brunch and then get our cars lined up for a photo shoot. If                                                                                                                                                                           
enough people attend we'll caravan to one of the local scenic locations.                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
We'll also be having a second gathering soon. I've been trying to find                                                                                                                                                                          
every DeLorean owner in the Northern California area. Membership is                                                                                                                                                                             
free. We've had 2 'meets' so far. We are planning tours, tech sessions,                                                                                                                                                                         
and perhaps we'll even host a larger event. If you'd like to join in                                                                                                                                                                            
just let me know. Soon we'll have our own web site for club information                                                                                                                                                                         
and announcements and a message board. Having a lack of DeLorean service                                                                                                                                                                        
facilities in our area makes it all the more important for us to band                                                                                                                                                                           
together.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
If you like to see some photos from our last 2 'meets', check out my web                                                                                                                                                                        
site!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Ken Montgomery                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
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http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm	 kenm@csus.edu                                                                                                                                                                                         
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Subject: [DML] Re: DML: Trim (To Paint or not to Paint)                                                                                                                                                                                         
Date: 30-Apr-99 21:27:44 -0400                                                                                                                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Raymond,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
It takes a little patience and time to get the black trim to look like new.                                                                                                                                                                     
All you have to do is to painted it black with Krylon Spray paint #1613 Semi                                                                                                                                                                    
Flat Black.  First clean all the black areas to be painted.  Prepare all                                                                                                                                                                        
areas to be painted such as fill nicks cracks etc.  Make sure surfaces are                                                                                                                                                                      
smooth.  Clean again.                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Next mask all areas not to get painted or over spray with masking tape and                                                                                                                                                                      
masking paper (newspaper works).  Spray it careful then remove tape and                                                                                                                                                                         
protective masking paper after it is 70% dried.  Let dry completely.  That is                                                                                                                                                                   
all it is need to get the new look.                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
All exterior black -- front and rear bumpers, rocker sides panels, windows                                                                                                                                                                      
trim, front windshield trim, louvers, engine cover, left and right rear                                                                                                                                                                         
engine to window panel, front air scoop, rear exhaust skirt, rear license                                                                                                                                                                       
plate frame, tail light assemblies and the front grill.  These areas will                                                                                                                                                                       
require about 8 to 12 hours and 8 to 10 cans of spray paint.                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
You still have the interior areas such as the doors, front hood engine                                                                                                                                                                          
compartment and extras if you wish to take it farther.                                                                                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
Kayo Ong                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
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