From: eGroups Digest [dmcnews@egroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 7:38 PM To: David.Swingle Subject: dmcnews digest eGroups Daily Digest: dmcnews has 69 new messages. Click here http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2553 to read them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2553. William T Wilson Re: DeLorean Dilemma 2554. rob.van.der.veer@twinsoft.nl Re: DMC Size 2555. egg owning a D 2556. DMC Joe Re: filter and sending unit 2557. delorean502@excite.com tinny sound 2558. James Espey "Factory original" rear power antenna 2559. James Delorean Quentin Wilson 2560. delorean502@excite.com door struts 2561. Murray Fisher Antennas 2562. Todd Bankhead Re: DeLorean Dilemma/drawing 2563. Elliot Newell THIS MAY BE A LONG SHOT!!! 2564. LovDMC12@aol.com Re: No Power/Low Voltage 2565. delorean502@excite.com yet another question 2566. James Espey Re: Protecting Interior 2567. Waernst@aol.com Re: Owning a D 2568. AJL521@aol.com Re: Owning a D 2569. Amazinrick@aol.com Just checking... 2570. William T Wilson Re: No Power/Low Voltage 2571. Ray Haug, Internet Director Re: st louis show? 2572. Hank Breer Re: Antenna question 2573. rsrodgers@home.com D's for sale / Repair & Service History 2574. KayoOng@aol.com Re: Problem with bad press 2575. Neil Blaze Re: Owning a D 2576. Iznodmad@aol.com Re: tinny sound 2577. DMC Joe Re: DMC Size 2578. DMC Joe Re: tinny sound 2579. John Hanley Re: Problem with bad press 2580. John Hanley Re: Problem with bad press 2581. Greg Linstad Antenna/VIN #'s 2582. Steve Pattison Fanzilla question 2583. Jus4sho@aol.com Re: Stainless Louvers 2584. DMC Joe Re: Antennas 2585. Michael Babb Re: DeLorean Dilemma/drawing 2586. James Espey Re: Stainless Louvers 2587. Stephen Jarvis Re: Antenna question 2588. DMC Joe Re: Fanzilla question 2589. CountCrow4@aol.com DMCDean@aol.com (Delorean for sale) 2590. DeLorean31@aol.com Tire Balancing 2591. Mike Substelny Antenna Technology Idea 2592. Will Re: DMCDean@aol.com (Delorean for sale) 2593. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: tinny sound 2594. raddad@cmn.net Premium Gasoline 2595. David B. Hill Re: THIS MAY BE A LONG SHOT!!! 2596. brian_roy@excite.com Re: Antenna/VIN #'s 2597. Ann & Ed Thompson VIN Upgrades? 2598. NJP548@aol.com Re: DMCDean@aol.com (Delorean for sale) 2599. Murray Fisher Antenna 2600. Marc A Levy Re: Antenna Technology Idea 2601. James Espey James Espey and delorean.com 2602. Will Re: Antenna Technology Idea 2603. James Espey antenna types, hood types, etc. 2604. DMC Joe Re: Tire Balancing 2605. Dick Ryan Spin Balancing 2606. delorean502@excite.com ding rollout 2607. mishka1@interlog.com Clearcoat? 2608. Marc A Levy Re: Antenna Technology Idea 2609. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Premium Gasoline 2610. birdstrike@hotmail.com electrical problem 2611. Scucci To DMCDean@AOL.com 2612. Jim Door clips roof when opening 2613. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Tire Balancing 2614. RJRavalli@aol.com Insurance prices, 2615. Martin Gutkowski Re: Problem with bad press 2616. Gus Schlachter Texas is hot, A/C is not 2617. E Grauff Re: electrical problem 2618. steveDMC Re: Clearcoat? 2619. Dan B Re: Owning a D 2620. William T Wilson Re: Premium Gasoline 2621. DMC Joe Re: Spin Balancing ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 2553 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2553 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Wilson In-Reply-To: <004201bef249$60833ae0$7d9ef4cc@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Dilemma Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Cam Johnson wrote: > I've noticed that the majority of posts on the mailing list are > about mechanical features/fixes/problems (although I don't know what I Subscribe to any car list. They all share a few common topics: 1) How do I fix my 2) How do I go faster? 3) I hate SUV's. :} > am learning more every day thanks to you guys :))...does the DeLorean > really have this many problems?! For a 20-year-old exotic car, the DeLorean is amazingly reliable. It has its share of little gremlins, though. Fortunately, the problems that it has are all well documented and are all fixable. Many of them are fixable permanently. And very few of them will ever leave you stranded. ------------------------------ message 2554 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2554 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:18:17 -0700 From: rob.van.der.veer@twinsoft.nl In-Reply-To: <19990827210529.67842.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: [DML] Re: DMC Size Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rob.van.der.vee-@twinsoft.nl wrote: I don't know how muich 6'3" is, but I am 1m88 and I'm sitting comfortably in my D. My dad's about 1m95 and even he doesn't have a problem with it.. Yours, Rob. original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=2440 > I am looking at purchasing a D. However I seem to notice that most sports > cars are made for people 4'5" and under. I was wondering if someone who is > 6'3" could fit comfortably in a D. > > Thank you for your time. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ message 2555 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2555 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "egg" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:58:28 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] owning a D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i live on my own and own two cars, pay all me expenses, rent, utilities, insurance on both cars, and paying back the loan on the Delorean. my insurance on the Delorean is cheaper than my '88 Mazda 323. why? because my Delorean is my secondary pleasure car....so State Farm says. I don't make a lot of money. I have a good Computer Engineering job, but nothing too great. I suggest before you purchase a delorean do what i did: make yourself a monthly budget and stick to that. over months you will realize how much money you are spending and where it is going. this really helped me out. you DON'T want to go purchase a delorean thinking it will never break down and now have any money put aside to fix it. If you have any more questions about insurance or how to get a loan or anything like that, please let me know. I will gladly share my information. I've been in your shoes. Erik "egg" Geerdink 1981 Delorean VIN# 4512 LIC. PLATE: EGGS D ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ message 2556 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2556 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:54:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: filter and sending unit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, We like the Fram Extra Guard PH-2870A. The sending unit is available from all of the DeLorean part suppliers. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: rpcarrington > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] filter and sending unit > Date: Sunday, August 29, 1999 10:29 PM > > First time question for group, Where should I get a oil sending unit for by > the oil filter, and what type oil filter can I buy at Pep Boys that will > work on the D. Thanks Bob Vin 20003 ------------------------------ message 2557 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2557 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:05:23 -0700 From: delorean502@excite.com Subject: [DML] tinny sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit when i accelorate really fast, my engine makes this tinny noise, like a tin can being flicked by your finger really fast. i've heard this sound in just about every car i have riden in or drove, but i was just wondering what makes that noise and how i can get rid of it. another thing, when i turn right really hard, my front left makes a knocking noise. PLEASE don't tell me its my U-joints....PLEASE!! erik geerdink vin 4512 ------------------------------ message 2558 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2558 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <19990830030222.VUED24199@delorean> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:07:53 -0500 From: James Espey Subject: [DML] "Factory original" rear power antenna Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I am learning from all the factory documentation and other "reading material" we have here in Houston, just because a car caem from the dealer with something, does not mean it came from the factory that way. An example is the rear power antenna. More than a thousand DeLoreans were shipped from the factory with NO antenna at all, though they were fitted with a rear mounted power antennna at QAC's here in the states. We have the power antenna kits, complete with instructions available (part # 111291). There are many other things that were installed/fitted at the QACs prior to delivery to dealers. >> >> That's interesting Joe. My 1981, #6419, was built in November 1981 and it >> has the rear fender mounted power antenna (factory original). >> >> >> Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) ------------------------------ message 2559 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2559 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "James" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:13:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Delorean Quentin Wilson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The filming for the 'Car's the Star' has been completed and is due to be shown in the near future, it is suggested around October. But will Quentin have anything good to say or will it be a repeat of his paper article?. The mirror news paper may target only a small percentage of the British people but the television could put a very negative view of the Delorean to many more people. ------------------------------ message 2560 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2560 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:19:44 -0700 From: delorean502@excite.com Subject: [DML] door struts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, since I was obviously wrong about getting the struts rechargered I now need to find a strut elsewhere. I know Pj Grady and DMC Houston sell them, but i was wondering if someone out there has at least one for sale. My drivers door sags a little and doesn't look too well in pictures of the doors up. please e-mail me privately. Thanks again erik geerdink ------------------------------ message 2561 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2561 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Murray Fisher" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 08:43:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Antennas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEF2C3.B3D0C260" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEF2C3.B3D0C260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable As a matter of a little antenna history....My work before I retired was in= communications along electronic and computer lines. I have had all types = of configurations in my cars over the years. I had one in a new Chev slung= under the running boards encased in rubber! IT worked on local stations. = Then I had them embedded in the windshield in some cars. NOTHING ever wa= s as efficient as an exterior "whip": of some sort and usually the longer t= he better...with FM, length is of some importance, but AM doesn't matter so= much. Basically, for receiving, the more wire in the air the better. The= earlier D's tried to eliminate external stuff on the car apparently by bui= lding it into the windshield....for those days, it was NOT a good idea, hen= ce the switch to the various configuration of vertical whips. My D is an 8= 1 of October build date and has the left rear whip that retracts out of sit= e or extends when you turn the radio on. I have had three Lincoln Contin= entals lately that all have both the AM and FM antennas built into the glas= s. Back to the olden days...however with modern electronic technology, the= se are tops and I could ask for nothing better. For what its worth department! Murray Vin: 5962 Lic: DMC-XII Washington State ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEF2C3.B3D0C260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
As a matter of a  little antenna history....My work before I reti= red = was in communications along electronic and computer lines.  I have had= all = types of configurations in my cars over the years.  I had one in a new= Chev = slung under the running boards encased in rubber!  IT worked on local = stations.  Then I had them embedded in the windshield in some = cars.   NOTHING ever was as efficient as an exterior "whip": of s= ome = sort and usually the longer the better...with FM, length is of some importa= nce, = but AM doesn't matter so much.  Basically, for receiving, the more wir= e in = the air the better.  The earlier D's tried to eliminate external stuff= on = the car apparently by building it into the windshield....for those days, it= was = NOT a good idea, hence the switch to the various configuration of vertical = whips.  My D is an 81 of October build date and has the left rear whip= that = retracts out of site or extends when you turn the radio on.  &nbs= p; I = have had three Lincoln Continentals lately that all have both the AM and FM= = antennas built into the glass.  Back to the olden days...however with = modern electronic technology, these are tops and I could ask for nothing = better.
 
For what its worth department!
 
Murray
Vin: 5962 Lic: DMC-XII
Washington State
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01BEF2C3.B3D0C260-- ------------------------------ message 2562 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2562 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:13:13 -0500 From: Todd Bankhead In-Reply-To: <19990830003113.13924.rocketmail@web1003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Dilemma/drawing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 05:31 PM 8/29/99 -0700, you wrote: > >what kind of drawing ? when i was putting back on the interior of my >car on the rigth side of the fiber glass it said al for king or >something so i got a razor blade and wrote my name under my seat and >the year does any one else have things like this in their car? One day, while working on my D at the foreign car repair shop I work at, another D pulled in. The owner, Mike (I think) and I got to talking and comparing stuff on our cars. Since the headliner panels for the doors are not mounted in my car, Mike sees all the magic marker writing on the inside. He says he's got the same numbers drawn (with magic marker) in his doors. 011001/37L (in red) for the left door and 011001/37R for the right. There is also some black writing. Mine says "30/10 M.I."(poor penmanship) and "4580 7051X" on the left and "2/13 C.H." on the right. Mike said he thought his black numbers and initials defered slightly, but he had a bonus piece of black drawn art work on his left door. It was a drawing of familular looking face with big bushy sideburns and a smoke hanging out of his mouth The caption read "Elvis is King." We jokingly wondered if Elvis was big with the Irish UAW, or perhaps Elvis WAS still alive in the early 80's and was sporting a clean shaven face with strawberry blond colored hair. Any other Elvis spottings in DeLoreans? Todd "Project Car For Sure" B. ------------------------------ message 2563 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2563 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Elliot Newell" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:07:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] THIS MAY BE A LONG SHOT!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all Delorean lovers... I went to www.delorean.com and it was just a black page with this writing on it/ D=MC squared..You know with the little two on top of the D to mean that it was squared. Could this mean that DMC 2 is finally coming out.....I HOPE SO... Let us await and find out. ------------------------------ message 2564 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2564 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: LovDMC12@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:23:37 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: No Power/Low Voltage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich, I had a similar problem about a year ago. The car would start and run, but the acceleration was terrible. While taking it to the shop, I noticed that it had low voltage, 9 and below, but at times would surge up to 12 and the car would run fine. It turns out the alternator was going bad. Evidently the fuel pump wasn't able to get enough power to pump with the low voltage when I hit the accelerator. I had the alternator replaced and have not experienced this problem since. Brian VIN 1597 ------------------------------ message 2565 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2565 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:23:47 -0700 From: delorean502@excite.com Subject: [DML] yet another question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My back brakes squeek like hell! What kind of pads go on the back? My front pads are Porsche pads. Can i get them at the local auto store or am I going to have to order some more stuff online? Thanks for the help and sorry for all the questions I ask. egg ------------------------------ message 2566 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2566 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <37C6DD4C.677540F3@lorainccc.edu> References: <19990827060737.YTUO15925@delorean> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:33:21 -0500 From: James Espey Subject: [DML] Re: Protecting Interior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 1:47 PM -0500 8/27/99, Mike Substelny wrote: >Windshield reflectors do more than just make it more >comfortable to enter your car on a hot >day! When you plan on preserving your car for >the long term, you should use a windshield >reflector year round. Some people use a car cover, >but it seems a shame to cover up such a >beautiful car when it is out in public. We have, on average, 15 DeLoreans in the shop at any given time. During the day, approximately half of these cars will sit outside in our parking lot. To combat the heat, and more importantly, the UV rays, we have developed a custom fitted sunshade for the the DeLorean. Made of the same material as the "outdoor" model Carcoon (www.carcoon.com), this material is specifically designed for protection against 100 pecent of the UV rays. To keep the heat out of the car it goes on the OUTSIDE of the windshield (the "magnifying glass"), and is held in place with elasticized corners and secured with a striker pin loop. We've been testing the latest version of the prototype sunshade over the course of the summer. Some tests we ran here with a black interior car, with our custom sunshade and without showed a temperature difference of over 80 degrees (215 degrees F vs 130 degrees F) in open sun on a 95 degree day. A third car with an "accordion" style reflective sunshade was still about 180 degrees F. http://www.usadmc.com/sunshade.html I've been chomping at the bit to begin offering it to DeLorean owners, but Stephen has wanted to make sure that it is perfect. I expect it to be available in time for the SEDOC "Cruise-In" as well as the Expo in St. Louis. I've been using one of the prototypes in my car over the summer and I think it'll also help prevent the a-pillar trim deformation that is so common on cars that spend any time in the sun. James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas 281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com ------------------------------ message 2567 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2567 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Waernst@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:59:14 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Owning a D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/30/99 12:38:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DLoff80@aol.com writes: << if I got it to leave it in the garage becuase they would not insure me on such a car/.... Erik how do you do it, and if there are any other 19 yeara olds out there that own one, how do you guys do it? And, is it possible for a kid that has to pay ALL his bills to own one? >> Dave, the answer is "yes & no." ANY car is expensive to insure under your own name when you're 19, which is why most teenagers try to get on their parent's policy, even if they are the ones who actually pay for it. At least you may get a multicar discount. State Farm (NJ) insures based on a recognized appraised value. The price is not bad, but I'm not a single male under 25! Shop around. As far as 19 year olds owning one... my 16 year old son owns a '55 Chevy Belair - he's also a big DeLorean fan. He paid off the car himself by working in the family business after school hours. Now he's working to save up for a frame off resto since the bottom is seriously rusted. He paid $2500 and it runs, though he has years of work ahead of him... and a lot of money. I've never seen a D sell that cheap though. Once you get down to around $5000 or below, you have a car which doesn't run and needs a lot of work and $$$. Owning a beautiful collector car has it's good points but it isn't a cheap hobby. And don't believe the appealing gearhead fantasy that "whatever you put into it you'll get back when you sell it." Unless you're rich enough to buy a creampuff, are very lucky, and wait 30 years, that won't neccesarily happen. I'm not just saying DeLoreans. Buy a run down '81 Corvette and spend $20 or 30 thousand making it like new, and do you have car worth $20,000? Probably not. Do it for the love of it, like any hobby, or don't do it. I paid for my son's car, registered it in my name since he was too young, and let him pay me back in installments. (No pay- we sell it!) But he has been faithful to work hard and pay for it all. If you have no family support like that, better to enjoy shows and reading about them, join a club, save up and get one when you can affiord one you can drive away in. One of the nicest ones I've seen cost $15,000. Good luck! ------------------------------ message 2568 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2568 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: AJL521@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:09:06 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Owning a D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, As a 19 year old owner of a Delorean, I cant say I have had any problems with insuring my D with American Family insurance. I pay $250 every six months, it is not listed as my primary car by the way. Andrew ------------------------------ message 2569 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2569 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Amazinrick@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:31:40 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Just checking... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JZD's birthday is Jan 6th or am I confused? Also, a while ago I got a PO Box address for him in Pluckemin. Would this be the right address to use to send him a card? ~Rick ------------------------------ message 2570 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2570 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:49:29 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Wilson In-Reply-To: <4f9e5bec.24f95208@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: No Power/Low Voltage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 28 Aug 1999 RichieKula@aol.com wrote: > It sounds like the alternator except that I don't understand why there > was no acceleration? It is a 5-speed. Have any of you experienced > this in their D before? An electrical problem in your ignition system can cause this. It's possible that you have a problem with a spark coil, a grounding problem, or a distributor problem. ------------------------------ message 2571 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2571 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:44:59 -0500 From: "Ray Haug, Internet Director" In-Reply-To: <19990829190527.84367.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: st louis show? Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 12:05 PM 8/29/99 PDT, Dan wrote: >>>> i was at the my classic car show in evansville indiana where i talked to someone about a delorean expo that was to take place in st louis around sept. 3 or 4. am i correct in my information any help is appreciated -dan <<<<<<<< The DeLorean Owners Association is hosting DeLorean Expo '99 - Oktoberfest on October 7 - 10, 1999 at the Regal Riverfront Hotel immediately in front of the "stainless steel" arch in St. Louis, Missouri. The Expo is open to all DeLorean owners and enthusiasts and includes a driving rally, riverboat cruise, technical talks, DeLorean Concours and Car Show, DeLorean Products fair, a Gala banquet in the Arch on Friday, and an Oktoberfest Ball in the Hotel's Grand Ballroom on Saturday. Complete details, and on-line registration are at: http://www.delorean-owners.org/events/index.html Save 10% by registering before September 1. Ray Haug, Internet Director DeLorean Owners Association http://www.delorean-owners.org ------------------------------ message 2572 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2572 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:38:19 -0700 From: Hank Breer MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19990829182358.QLXQ15925@delorean> Subject: [DML] Re: Antenna question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The first '81 Deloreans originally had windshield antennas. (P/N 100623).  Beginning with VIN 2711, the windshield was changed to one without an embedded antenna (P/N 110076) and the antenna was moved to the right front fender (Parts Bulletin PS-01-9/81).  Since the embedded antenna version of the windshield was no longer available, a replacement antenna kit (P/N A5000010) was made available for the early VIN cars that needed a replacement windshield. Service Bulletin ST-07-7/81 and its update, ST-12-9/81 gave installation instructions.

Parts Bulletin PI-04-12/81 (issued 12/17/81) states "A fully automatic rear mounted radio antenna is now being installed on all DeLoreans"...  It does not give a VIN breakpoint.  But it does state that this antenna is also available as a kit (P/N 111291) for any owner who wants to convert from either the embedded or right-front-fender mounted version.

My car has all three versions.  VIN 1141 came with (and still has) the embedded antenna in the windshield.  A replacement right front fender (crash by a previous owner) has the hole for the mast antenna (with a temporary plug until I begin restoration of the body).  And to overcome poor reception, I had the power antenna installed in the left rear.

Hank Breer ------------------------------ message 2573 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2573 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:19:33 -0700 From: rsrodgers@home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] D's for sale / Repair & Service History Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted a few links to 'net listings of D's for sale on my Website. It's not a complete list, but a few you may not have seen.
I've also posted my Service/Repair history, as have a few others (links on my page). My D is my primary car and has served pretty well over the last 25000 miles/3.5 years. I wonder how many of the problems reported on the DMC Newslist come from using the car only occasionally?
I had more problems with my VW Rabbit (made in Pennsylvania and purchased NEW) than I've had with my USED, 16 year old D!
Bob Rodgers
VIN 17015
http://members.home.net/rsrodgers ------------------------------ message 2574 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2574 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: KayoOng@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:46:49 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Problem with bad press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, This English tabloid writer is something else with his article. I had many English cars in my life time ranging from Rolls Royces, Bentleys, Jaguars, and other marques. I had driven many other English cars too. Some are good and many are less desirable on my or anyone's list. I still have a "Crew" manufactured 1957 Bentley since 1973. All of these cars has and are plagued with problems. To start with, Lucas electrical system! Need I say more? Wire for fire or hope for no smoke? Did this tabloid writer every address these automotive problems of his own country's marques? Many of my friends who are car connoisseurs jeer and laugh at the English cars. I still kept the English car for what it is, for its good or its bad. The DeLorean is a considered an English manufactured motor car. It is made in Ireland, so it is English? Maybe this writer don't like IRISH produced cars from an American engineer? Since his writing is so able and keen to surgically cut up the DeLorean motorcar on its weakness, maybe he should put his criticisms where it is necessary -- to help save his country's automotive industries. This writer should have addressed his own country's automotive problems and manufactures like R-R will not have fallen into BMW, Bentley will not fallen into VW and Jaguar wouldn't have fallen into the Ford ownership. Which English auto manufacture is next? We, the DeLorean owners of the and users of the DMC-12, we understand our cars and we know how wrong this writer is. After all, Mr. John Z. DeLorean knew the problems with GM. He addressed it by boosting GM from it financial down slide with his GTO. He had saved GM's other branches with his great innovations for the Chevy Blazer and the Corvette. He had "saved" GM several times and given it life back then. "God Save the Queen" and the English Cars -- what ever is still left. Kayo Ong #05508 Lic 9D NY ------------------------------ message 2575 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2575 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Blaze MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Owning a D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I, too am a 19-year old waiting to own a D. I don't have an exact answer to Dave's question about insurance, but as a male teenage driver, auto insurance is sky-high as it is. The only problem that my parents have with my wanting a De Lorean, is that the insurance would be incredibly high. In fact, I think my mom's exact words were "Good luck trying to get car insurance for a De Lorean at your age!" As I said before, I do not own a D, but hope to soon. And, as a male, teenage driver, I know that auto insurance is not cheap, especially if you're tryimh to insure a De Lorean!! Neil Blaze VIN--Waiting as well. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ message 2576 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2576 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Iznodmad@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:49:09 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: tinny sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This "tinny sound" occurs in my car as well. I kinda think it sounds like a ticking of a lawn mower. I know what the problem is in my D, the exhaust gaskets need replacing. From what I understand, this is a common problem with cars that have sat a long time. Maybe this is your problem too. Good luck. Darren Decker #5000 ------------------------------ message 2577 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2577 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:41:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DMC Size Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, Be sure the seat is pushed to its rear most position and the seat back is adjusted so that it rests against the edge of the parcel shelf. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: rob.van.der.veer@twinsoft.nl > To: dmcnews@eGroups.com > Subject: [DML] Re: DMC Size > Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 4:18 AM > > rob.van.der.vee-@twinsoft.nl wrote: > > I don't know how muich 6'3" is, but I am 1m88 and I'm sitting > comfortably in my D. My dad's about 1m95 and even he doesn't have a > problem with it.. > > Yours, > > Rob. > > > original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=2440 > > I am looking at purchasing a D. However I seem to notice that most > sports > > cars are made for people 4'5" and under. I was wondering if someone > who is > > 6'3" could fit comfortably in a D. > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > ------------------------------ message 2578 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2578 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:02:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: tinny sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit erik, There are two possible causes for the noise that you describe. Pre-ignition commonly called "pinging" (rare in DeLorean's) it is a serious condition that could cause serious harm to the internal engine components. It could also be an exhaust gasket leak. If it's the gasket it won't effect engine operation, it just sounds bad. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: delorean502@excite.com > To: dmcnews@eGroups.com > Subject: [DML] tinny sound > Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 11:05 AM > > when i accelorate really fast, my engine makes this tinny noise, like a > tin can being flicked by your finger really fast. i've heard this > sound in just about every car i have riden in or drove, but i was just > wondering what makes that noise and how i can get rid of it. another > thing, when i turn right really hard, my front left makes a knocking > noise. PLEASE don't tell me its my U-joints....PLEASE!! > > erik geerdink > vin 4512 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > ------------------------------ message 2579 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2579 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:37:23 -0400 From: John Hanley <106165.1407@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Problem with bad press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message text written by INTERNET:dmcnews@egroups.com > The DeLorean is a considered an English manufactured motor car. It is ma= de in Ireland, so it is English? Maybe this writer don't like IRISH produce= d = cars from an American engineer? < One should be careful here not ENGLISH NOT IRISH but BRITISH, It= was Northern Ireland, Paid for by many British taxpayers who have pumped = in many many millions of pounds over the years, but we dont want to get into= that area at all. The Writer is an ass what more can one say. John Hanley ------------------------------ message 2580 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2580 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:38:34 -0400 From: John Hanley <106165.1407@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Problem with bad press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message text written by INTERNET:dmcnews@egroups.com > "God Save the Queen" and the English Cars -- what ever is still left. < TVR mate Regards John Hanley ------------------------------ message 2581 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2581 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Greg Linstad Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:51:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Antenna/VIN #'s Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To Mike Babb: You are correct. Your antenna has been changed. You did not say if you had the plug in the front fender, but if not, your car came with the windshield antenna. I say this because my VIN (3507, Aug '81) is only 35 numbers higher than yours and I have the fender mounted one (which I now use for a C.B. radio since I installed the rear retractable one a few years ago). With our numbers so close together it seems that the change from windshield to fender mount happened somewhere between VIN 3472 and 3507 !! ( I'm sure James Espey or DMC Joe have the exact Vin number). To Richard Strecker: See above. Your antenna on VIN #2320 was originally in the windshield also. To all: I hope this isn't boring everyone, since there was some question about antenna location and VIN number. I actually think it looks nice with the two antennas, one on each side. To Hank Breer: Efren Hicks says your car has windshield, fender, and rear antennas. With your low VIN number, I wonder how you got the windshield AND the fender mounted one at the same time? Fender replacement? Greg Linstad Pacific Northwest Delorean Club VIN # 3507 116,000+ miles Washington plate "RUSTLSS" ------------------------------ message 2582 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2582 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Steve Pattison" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:01:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Fanzilla question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BEF309.4199B440" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BEF309.4199B440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I've installed the fanzilla but had an operational question. The obvious decrease in power is no longer apparent as the fans cycle on an= d off but the clicking noise is still there and seems about as frequent as = before. Is this the normal operation of the unit or have I installed it in= correctly ? After all, the installation is so easy. Vin 2528 ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BEF309.4199B440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

I've installed the fanzilla but had an operational question.
 
The obvious decrease in power is no longer apparent as the fans cycle = on = and off but the clicking noise is still there and seems about as frequent a= s = before.  Is this the normal operation of the unit or have I installed = it = incorrectly ?  After all, the installation is so easy.
 
Vin 2528
------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BEF309.4199B440-- ------------------------------ message 2583 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2583 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Jus4sho@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:33:30 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re:Stainless Louvers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At a party the other night I was talking with my friend's cousin who has an '83 D. SHE informed me that it was one of the last '83's (assembled by KAPAC) and had STAINLESS LOUVERS! I've been on the DML for a while, but I've never heard any mention of these stainless louvers. I'm looking forward to seeing the car and was just wondering if anyone knows any more about the stainless louvers. Steve VIN 2650 ------------------------------ message 2584 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2584 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:36:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Antennas Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Murray brings up an interesting subject. Radio sensitive technology has improved drastically since the late 70's when the factory installed units were designed. This deficiency is what made the windshield antennas a bad choice. I would like to see if today's auto radio technology coupled with the windshield antenna would make for satisfactory reception. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- From: Murray Fisher To: DeLorean Subject: [DML] Antennas Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 11:43 AM As a matter of a little antenna history....My work before I retired was in communications along electronic and computer lines. I have had all types of configurations in my cars over the years. I had one in a new Chev slung under the running boards encased in rubber! IT worked on local stations. Then I had them embedded in the windshield in some cars. NOTHING ever was as efficient as an exterior "whip": of some sort and usually the longer the better...with FM, length is of some importance, but AM doesn't matter so much. Basically, for receiving, the more wire in the air the better. The earlier D's tried to eliminate external stuff on the car apparently by building it into the windshield....for those days, it was NOT a good idea, hence the switch to the various configuration of vertical whips. My D is an 81 of October build date and has the left rear whip that retracts out of site or extends when you turn the radio on. I have had three Lincoln Continentals lately that all have both the AM and FM antennas built into the glass. Back to the olden days...however with modern electronic technology, these are tops and I could ask for nothing better. For what its worth department! Murray Vin: 5962 Lic: DMC-XII Washington State ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2585 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2585 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Michael Babb" References: <3.0.5.32.19990830111313.007a7e50@mail.netexpress.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:24:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Dilemma/drawing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEF325.B15304A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEF325.B15304A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I have taken the "head fitted" headliners out of my car for cleaning, and d= idn't find any cool drawings. I think that this can be the start of an int= eresting "chronology" of sorts. I am currently working on rebuilding my we= bsite, and would love to have stuff like this on it. = If anyone is interested (and finds anything interesting drawn or written in= their car, send me a pic, and the stats (Year, VIN, etc) and I will start = putting this stuff together on a page. Michael Babb michael.babb@mindspring.com http://michael.babb.home.mindspring.com (very unfinished) ----- Original Message ----- = From: Todd Bankhead = To: dmcnews@egroups.com = Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 10:13 AM Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Dilemma/drawing At 05:31 PM 8/29/99 -0700, you wrote: > >what kind of drawing ? when i was putting back on the interior of my >car on the rigth side of the fiber glass it said al for king or >something so i got a razor blade and wrote my name under my seat and = >the year does any one else have things like this in their car? One day, while working on my D at the foreign car repair shop I work at, another D pulled in. The owner, Mike (I think) and I got to talking and comparing stuff on our cars. Since the headliner panels for the doors are not mounted in my car, Mike sees all the magic marker writing on the inside. He says he's got the same numbers drawn (with magic marker) in his doors. 011001/37L (in red) for the left door and 011001/37R for the right. There is also some black writing. Mine says "30/10 M.I."(poor penmanship) and "4580 7051X" on the left and "2/13 C.H." on the right. Mike said he thought his black numbers and initials defered slightly, but he had a bonus piece of black drawn art work on his left door. It was a drawing of familular looking face with big bushy sideburns and a smoke hanging out of his mouth The caption read "Elvis is King." We jokingly wondered if Elvis was big with the Irish UAW, or perhaps Elvis WAS still alive in the early 80's and was sporting a clean shaven face with strawberry blond colored hai= r. Any other Elvis spottings in DeLoreans? Todd "Project Car For Sure" B. = ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address mode= rato-@dmcnews.com = ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEF325.B15304A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I have taken the "head fitted" headliners out of my car for cleaning, = and = didn't find any cool drawings.  I think that this can be the start of = an = interesting "chronology" of sorts.  I am currently working on rebuildi= ng my = website, and would love to have stuff like this on it. 
 
If anyone is interested (and finds anything interesting drawn or writt= en in = their car, send me a pic, and the stats (Year, VIN, etc) and I will start = putting this stuff together on a page.
 
Michael Babb
     (very unfinished)
----- Original Message -----
Fro= m: = Todd = Bankhead
Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 10:1= 3 = AM
Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean = Dilemma/drawing

At 05:31 PM 8/29/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>what kind of drawing ? when i was putting back on the interior of my
>car on the rigth side of the fiber glass it said al for king or
>something so i got a razor blade and wrote my name under my seat and =

>the year does any one else have things like this in their car?

One day, while working on my D at the foreign car repair shop I work at,
another D pulled in.  The owner, Mike (I think) and I got to talking and
comparing stuff on our cars.  Since the headliner panels for the doors are
not mounted in my car, Mike sees all the magic marker writing on the
inside.  He says he's got the same numbers drawn (with magic marker) in his
doors.  011001/37L (in red) for the left door and 011001/37R for the right.
 There is also some black writing.  Mine says "30/10 M.I."(poor penmanship)
and "4580 7051X" on the left and "2/13 C.H." on the right.  Mike said he
thought his black numbers and initials defered slightly, but he had a bonus
piece of black drawn art work on his left door.  It was a drawing of
familular looking face with big bushy sideburns and a smoke hanging out of
his mouth The caption read "Elvis is King."  We jokingly wondered if Elvis
was big with the Irish UAW, or perhaps Elvis WAS still alive in the early
80's and was sporting a clean shaven face with strawberry blond colored hai=
r.

Any other Elvis spottings in DeLoreans?

Todd "Project Car For Sure" B.
To address comments privately to the moderating team, pl= ease = address moderato-@dmcnews.com =
------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BEF325.B15304A0-- ------------------------------ message 2586 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2586 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <73416b08.24fc7cda@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:46:46 -0500 From: James Espey Subject: [DML] Re: Re:Stainless Louvers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You weren't talking to Virginia Hodges were you? She's the onlyother one I know of that had SS louvres - she used to lurk on the DML, she may still be out there now. Someone said that they used to be for sale as an aftermarket item sold in DeLorean World, but I have not ready or seen anything here in Houston or Columbus that indicated they were ever a factory item. James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas 281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com At 7:33 PM -0500 8/30/99, Jus4sho@aol.com wrote: >At a party the other night I was talking with my friend's cousin who has an >'83 D. SHE informed me that it was one of the last '83's (assembled by >KAPAC) and had STAINLESS LOUVERS! I've been on the DML for a while, but I've >never heard any mention of these stainless louvers. I'm looking forward to >seeing the car and was just wondering if anyone knows any more about the >stainless louvers. > >Steve > VIN 2650 ------------------------------ message 2587 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2587 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:57:50 -0400 From: Stephen Jarvis Subject: [DML] Re: Antenna question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 09:22 PM 8/29/99 -0600, you wrote: >Interesting. #2423 has a windshield, while my car (aug 81) #3472 has a power antenna....although it could have been changed at a later date. Any owners with Vin #'s after mine that originally had a front fender antenna? > >Michael Babb >Vin 3472 My Vin #3542 has the front fender, fixed mast antenna.I believe it to be original. Steve Jarvis ------------------------------ message 2588 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2588 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:52:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Fanzilla question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Default Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, Two items will cause frequent clicking in the electrical compartment. You either have the original 25 amp cooling fan circuit breaker which would need to be up-graded to a 40 amp. If the 40 amp is installed than you have a low freon charge. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- From: Steve Pattison To: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Fanzilla question Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 8:01 PM I've installed the fanzilla but had an operational question. The obvious decrease in power is no longer apparent as the fans cycle on and off but the clicking noise is still there and seems about as frequent as before. Is this the normal operation of the unit or have I installed it incorrectly ? After all, the installation is so easy. Vin 2528 ------------------------------ message 2589 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2589 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CountCrow4@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:12:31 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DMCDean@aol.com (Delorean for sale) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got an e-mail from DMCDean@aol.com in which he told me he may have a delorean that I want to purchase, but he isn't accepting any e-mail so this is the only way I can reach him, so if you are out there please e-mail me and change your AOL so you can accept e-mail from my account Don ------------------------------ message 2590 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2590 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: DeLorean31@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:55:21 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Tire Balancing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently purcahsed the Yokohamas for my D. I was wondering how many owners have had them spin balanced while on the car or do most people just balance the tires on the rims while they are off the car? Before I search for a shop that can spin balance on the car, is the ride just as well if I have my mechanic balance them while he has them off the car? Also should the alignment be checked or anything else done while changing the tires? Gary VIN3360 ------------------------------ message 2591 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2591 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:39:03 -0400 From: Mike Substelny MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19990831015126.OQVG24199@delorean> Subject: [DML] Antenna Technology Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DMC Joe wrote: > . . . Radio sensitive technology has improved drastically since > the late 70's when the factory installed units were designed. [SNIP] > I would like to see if today's auto radio technology coupled > with the windshield antenna would make for satisfactory reception. Next chance you get take a look at one of the GM "Dustbuster" minivans (Lumina APV / Silhouette / TranSport). You will not see any radio antenna at all. These minivans achieved their smooth, futuristic look thanks to technology of the early 90s, which allowed the antenna to be built inside the rear part of the roof (which I believe is plastic). I own both a TranSport with an in-roof antenna and a DeLorean with an in-windshield antenna, and I can attest to the fact that the TranSport gets *much* better radio reception than the DeLorean, especially on AM. Good as it is, the TranSport's radio reception is still not quite as clear as a car with a whip antenna. I have often wondered if this same technology could be used to build an antenna inside or under the rear sunshade louvers of a DeLorean. That would achieve both the look Guigaro intended and the radio performance owners expect. Do any electrical engineers out there feel up to the challenge? - Mike Substelny ------------------------------ message 2592 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2592 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <66db3c6c.24fcb02f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Will Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:27:01 -0400 Subject: [DML] Re: DMCDean@aol.com (Delorean for sale) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I got an e-mail from DMCDean@aol.com in which he told me he may have a >delorean that I want to purchase, but he isn't accepting any e-mail so this >is the only way I can reach him, so if you are out there please e-mail me and >change your AOL so you can accept e-mail from my account > try dmcdean@aol.com with no caps ------------------------------ message 2593 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2593 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:41:37 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7qe6jj$bsej@eGroups.com> Subject: [DML] Re: tinny sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > delorean502@excite.com wrote: > > when i accelorate really fast, my engine makes this tinny noise, like a > tin can being flicked by your finger really fast. i've heard this > sound in just about every car i have riden in or drove, but i was just > wondering what makes that noise and how i can get rid of it. It could easily be pre-ignition. An easy way to find out is to run your gas tank nearly empty and then fill up with the best grade of premium gas you can find (at least 93 octane). If the pinging is pre-ignition it should go away with the premium gasoline. If not, back to the drawing board, but you will have eliminated pre-ignition as the problem. > another thing, when i turn right really hard, my front left makes a knocking > noise. PLEASE don't tell me its my U-joints....PLEASE!! OK, I won't. I assume you are talking about a DeLorean here. I am not aware of any DeLoreans that were built with U-joints in the front. (Could there have been a 4-wheel drive version??!! Man, talk about a goer in the snow!!) Regards, Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) Midlothian, VA ------------------------------ message 2594 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2594 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: [DML] Premium Gasoline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed Thompson said to use the "best grade of premium gas you can find (at least 93 octane)". The highest octane level available in many, many places is less than 93. Here in the mountains of Colorado, 91 is tops. FWIW. Dick Ryan VIN 16867 ------------------------------ message 2595 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2595 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "David B. Hill" References: <000601bef30a$1519fdc0$8977c697@c5s1o6> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:49:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: THIS MAY BE A LONG SHOT!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That Web page/domain name is registered to James Espey, former list moderator and now DMC-Houston employee. I don't think he is building a new Delorean. I think he is having fun. David Hill ----- Original Message ----- From: Elliot Newell To: Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 12:07 PM Subject: [DML] THIS MAY BE A LONG SHOT!!! > Hello all Delorean lovers... > > I went to www.delorean.com and it was just a black page with this writing on > it/ > > D=MC squared..You know with the little two on top of the D to mean that it > was squared. > > Could this mean that DMC 2 is finally coming out.....I HOPE SO... > Let us await and find out. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > > ------------------------------ message 2596 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2596 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: brian_roy@excite.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:06:29 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Antenna/VIN #'s Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that on my window sticker one of the options listed is a power rear mounted antenna-- it was typed with a different printer (or typewriter, after all it was in 1981) Brian #4150 ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ message 2597 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2597 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:34:01 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6806822e.24fcd659@aol.com> Subject: [DML] VIN Upgrades? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A short quick question for the experts. (But maybe not easy.) I realize that certain production changes and upgrades were incorporated into the production DeLoreans all along, but is there any beginning VIN where most of the earlier problems were resolved via production changes? Does anyone have a breakout of VIN's by major production changes or upgrades? For example, I know that some of the earliest VIN's had a rather anemic alternator that could not keep up with the car's maximum electrical demands. Johnny Carson knows all too well about that one. I was wondering if my DeLorean, being a "later" VIN (6419), came from the factory, or a QAC, with most of the production changes/upgrades in place. I have never had a problem (so far) that required an after-the-fact "upgrade" to solve. I do know that my car, with a rear power antenna, was built (11-81) BEFORE the rear power antenna Service Bulletin was published (12-81) according to DMC Joe. But according to James Espy my car could have left the factory without ANY antenna and the antenna later installed at a QAC. Some other changes/upgrades could have been installed by the QAC or the dealer before I acquired the car in late '82. Could the dealer possibly have been mandated by DMC to install any upgrades before the car was sold? This car was sold new after the 1982 production model began. Regards, Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) Midlothian, VA ------------------------------ message 2598 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2598 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: NJP548@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:55:48 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DMCDean@aol.com (Delorean for sale) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/31/99 9:04:12 AM Central Daylight Time, mgrwburns@macconnect.com writes: << try dmcdean@aol.com with no caps >> Will, On America Online it doesn't matter if you type in capitals or not. What I think happened is that dmcdean set up his preferences so that he can't receive e-mails from certain people. AOL allows you to fine tune who you want and who you don't want to see you online and to contact you online. Hope this helps. Later, Nick VIN#1852....still for sale e-mail for info ------------------------------ message 2599 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2599 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Murray Fisher" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:25:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BEF38A.7454BF20" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BEF38A.7454BF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My original window sticker just shows, under Standard Equipment: "AM/FM Ste= reo Radio W/Cassette". Nothing at all is said about an antenna. Under Opt= ional Equipment, it only shows "3-Speed Automatic Transmission", $650. Th= e "Port of Entry" was Long Beach, CA. = . The build date was October 81, but the selling date to the original owner,= was exactly a year later on the day DeLorean was put in cuffs for the alle= ged (disproven) drug dealing. FWIW. = Murray Vin: 5962 Lic: DMC-XII Washington State ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BEF38A.7454BF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
My original window sticker just shows, under Standard Equipment: "AM/F= M = Stereo Radio W/Cassette".  Nothing at all is said about an antenna.&nb= sp; = Under Optional Equipment, it only shows "3-Speed Automatic Transmission", = $650.  The "Port of Entry" was Long Beach, CA. 
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The build date was October 81, but the selling date to the original o= wner, = was exactly a year later on the day DeLorean was put in cuffs for the alleg= ed = (disproven) drug dealing. FWIW.
 
Murray
Vin: 5962 Lic: DMC-XII
Washington State
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BEF38A.7454BF20-- ------------------------------ message 2600 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:26:21 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19990831015126.OQVG24199@delorean> <37CBDAF7.A149435C@lorainccc.edu> Subject: [DML] Re: Antenna Technology Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have some experience with Radio and Antenna technology, having worked on Cordless Telephone projects. I am sure some Ammeter Radio (HAM) guys on the list may be more qualified to talk about this than me, but my few years working on Cordless Phones did teach me a few things. While it is true that radio receiver technology has improved over the years with more accurate local oscillators, digital tuners and higher tolerance components, I don't think this will have a huge effect on improved radio performance in the D. I have never opened up the stock Delorean radio, but I expect that in general the radios are not as good as they were 15 years ago. Age effect the stability of the components used to tune the radio. The radio could be re-tuned with the proper equipment, but sometimes in the long run this will cause more problems. Sad to day, but most of the stock stereo's found in todays new cars are better than after market replacements as far as radio reception goes. This is not because they have come up with some new wiz-bank radio technology, it is because they are starting to use a not-so-new idea of antenna diversity. Most of the new cars have multiple antenna's (usually two). The antennas are designed and placed such that in some cases one will be better than the other. Inside the radio, there is a RSSI circuit that can decide which antenna is getting a better signal, and use that one. This is system is running all of the time, so if your turn a corner and the environment is such that the "inactive" antenna is better, the radio switches to that one. This all works because of the way radio signals travel, and bounce. The Physics involved with all of that is out of my scope. The technology has been around for many years. The first time I saw it used in a car was my parents 1988 Mazda. There were two antennas in the car, and the radio never had static. On the front of the radio was a label "Antenna Diversity". Now, Back to the D. Most of the work of Antenna Diversity is done by the receiver itself. I have not yet seen any after market stereo companies that offer Antenna Diversity, so unless someone is going to redesign the radio receiver, I don't think it is going to happen. If your goal is to just get rid of the mast antenna, then a dipole antenna under the louvers MAY work, but the antenna will now be horizontal instead of vertical. This changes the property of the antenna pattern such that when you turn a corner a station that was clear before will quickly be gone. This is of course THEORY, and may work in practice anyway depending on the RF environment in your area. Most of the Diversity systems I have seen use both a Vertical and Horizontal antenna, but a horizontal alone (in THEORY) will not be as good for this application. On that same idea, the windshield antenna is both horizontal and vertical. It travels vertically up the center of the windshield, and then splits left and right horizontal across the top. This is a similar design to the freebie antennas that come with home stereo systems. I have never been able to get a decent signal from those antennas here in Central New Jersey. With all of the RF noise in New Jersey, those antennas receive TOO MUCH! And after all of that, your back were you started. Might as well just try it. I am sure you can find some formulas (Or finished designs) on the net to get the proper length for a dipole to cover the standard radio frequencies. Mike Substelny wrote: > > DMC Joe wrote: > > > . . . Radio sensitive technology has improved drastically since > > the late 70's when the factory installed units were designed. [SNIP] > > > I would like to see if today's auto radio technology coupled > > with the windshield antenna would make for satisfactory reception. > > I have often wondered if this same technology could be used to build an antenna inside or > under the rear sunshade louvers of a DeLorean. That would achieve both the look Guigaro > intended and the radio performance owners expect. > > Do any electrical engineers out there feel up to the challenge? ------------------------------ message 2601 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2601 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: James Espey MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] James Espey and delorean.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple years ago when "delorean.com" came up available after the previous registrant failed to pay the bill, my friend Chris Rabalais registered it in his name. Chris and I had the good fortune of meeting with John DeLorean in July of 1998 at his home in Bedminster. At that time, JZD was offered the use of the domain name should he ever desire to use it. Chris recently took a new job in Costa Rica and we transferred the domain name to me. Another meeting with DeLorean took place earlier this month and he inquired about the use of the domain name. The changes you are now seeing are a result of that meeting. All the parties involved in the most recent meeting signed non-disclosure agreements with Mr. DeLorean. I will continue to own the domain name, but I am not making the changes to the website, nor do I have any control over the content. James Espey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ message 2602 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2602 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <37CBF41D.639993CF@dnrc.bell-labs.com> References: <19990831015126.OQVG24199@delorean> <37CBDAF7.A149435C@lorainccc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Will Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:59:44 -0400 Subject: [DML] Re: Antenna Technology Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not yet seen any after market stereo >companies that offer Antenna Diversity, so unless someone is going to >redesign the radio receiver, I don't think it is going to happen. Sony MobileES components AND Pioneer Premiere components come with diversity tuning for the most part, I believe some higher end JVC receivers do too Will will@willburns.com will@macteens.com will@team.camaroz28.com http://www.willburns.com http://www.macteens.com "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines" ------------------------------ message 2603 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2603 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:53:36 -0500 From: James Espey Subject: [DML] antenna types, hood types, etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THe recent discussion on hoods, antennas and VINs reminded me of the DeLorean Production Chronology, which I started a few years back and is currentlybeing updated under the eyes of Knut Grimsrud and Ken Montgomery. The DPC only tracks VINs, interior colors and transmission types. The other items (hoods, antennas, muffler tips) are easily changed in comparison to the other items. Also, all of the factory documentation I have seen only tracks interior color and transmission types. There ARE some memos, etc reagrding when various production changes were made, and that material forms the basis for the new concours manual that I am readying for the show in St. Louis. James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas 281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com ------------------------------ message 2604 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2604 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:27:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Tire Balancing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary, The DeLorean suspension and steering system will perform best when adjustments are within a very narrow range of the specified tolerances. The 'on the car spin balance" is a more conclusive procedure. The standard, Pep Boys, type computer balance procedures balance the tire to the wheel. The "on the car spin balance" the wheels to the body. In more simple terms, the on the car spin balance system greatly reduces the common situation of taking your DeLorean into the alignment shop and quickly returning as soon as you drive at speed when you discover that you get wheel shimmy and or body vibration at certain speeds. A front and rear alignment is highly recommended when ever you replace the tires on your DeLorean. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: DeLorean31@aol.com > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] Tire Balancing > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:55 AM > > I recently purchased the Yokohamas for my D. I was wondering how many owners > have had them spin balanced while on the car or do most people just balance > the tires on the rims while they are off the car? Before I search for a shop > that can spin balance on the car, is the ride just as well if I have my > mechanic balance them while he has them off the car? Also should the > alignment be checked or anything else done while changing the tires? > > Gary > VIN3360 ------------------------------ message 2605 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2605 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:35:06 -0700 From: raddad@cmn.net (Dick Ryan) Subject: [DML] Spin Balancing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps I'm jealous of what must be available elsewhere, but the spin balancing recommendation must be treated as one of those "nice to have" --as opposed to necessary -- things. I recently called every tire shop, alignment shop, etc. in Denver, Fort Collins and Boulder. NONE of them did on the car balancing and they said that they knew of no one in the area who did this anymore. I asked why and they all said "because it didn't do a better job and it was dangerous". Yes, a couple of them were high performance/race car places. I went with a local place that does computer controlled balancing (off the car) and alignment. I just completed 4000 miles in two weeks and never has the car steered, cornered or just plain ridden smoother. Oh, I found a place in Denver than does industrial vibration dampening and they said they could do on the car balancing, but wondered why I wanted such. They also said they charge by the hour and have a minimum!! Dick Ryan VIN 16867 ------------------------------ message 2606 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2606 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:21 -0700 From: delorean502@excite.com Subject: [DML] ding rollout Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have a small ding in the passenger side rear quarter panel. It's right on the wheel well and very easy to get to without having to remove the panel. My question is: is there a way to roll that out myself? Its such a small ding, i would have to throw away $250 just to get it removed. erik ------------------------------ message 2607 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2607 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:17:07 -0700 From: mishka1@interlog.com Subject: [DML] Clearcoat? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of anyone else applying clearcoat to their D? I think it wouldn't be sucha bad idea therefore reducing scratches and it would still have the nice stainless look to it. Mike Kadonoff 82' 244 GLT (at least it has the same fuel system as a D) ------------------------------ message 2608 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2608 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:44:29 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19990831015126.OQVG24199@delorean> <37CBDAF7.A149435C@lorainccc.edu> Subject: [DML] Re: Antenna Technology Idea Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is not quite the same as Antenna Diversity. I own a new MobilES unit (CDXE-7850) and it does not have any obvious way of hooking a second antenna to it. Of course, I did not read the instructions that came with it. :) I found on the sony web site they have a feature called "Adaptive Reception", and is defined as follows: Adaptive Reception: Sony's proprietary SSIR-EX tuner technology which can actually adjust the tuner's bandwidth, depending on current environmental conditions. Improved sound quality and adjacent station interference result. Adaptive Reception is not Antenna Diversity, and I would guess this technology improves radio performance similar to Antenna Diversity so the combination of both would be a major improvement. Will wrote: > > I have not yet seen any after market stereo > >companies that offer Antenna Diversity, so unless someone is going to > >redesign the radio receiver, I don't think it is going to happen. > > Sony MobileES components AND Pioneer Premiere components come with > diversity tuning for the most part, I believe some higher end JVC receivers > do too > ------------------------------ message 2609 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2609 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:05:48 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199908311403.IAA00430@cmn.net> Subject: [DML] Re: Premium Gasoline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Ed Thompson said to use the "best grade of premium gas you can find (at > least 93 octane)". The highest octane level available in many, many places > is less than 93. Here in the mountains of Colorado, 91 is tops. FWIW. Yes Dick, this I did say. But I also said "best grade you can FIND". I guess I wasn't thinking about the folks that live in the clouds on purpose where real gasoline isn't readily available. If Erik does live in or near the high mountains of Colorado he can go to a good speed shop and get an octane booster. That's not a problem. Actually that would be even a better test for troubleshooting the pinging if it is pre-ignition. He could boost the octane up to 95 or even 97 to eliminate the possibility trying a lower octane that might be marginal and not sufficient to overcome the pre-ignition. Or he could come here to Virginia and gas up at sea level with 93 octane. I have a Chevy van that is supposed to run on "regular" gas (at 87 octane) but if I do I consistently get pre-ignition. If I use mid-grade (89 octane) I get occasional pre-ignition under heavily acceleration. If I use premium (93 octane at sea level) it goes away completely. (No, it does not need a tune-up nor is the timing "off".) I also have a Corvette that has a much more powerful engine and it will run fine on any grade gasoline because it has a "spark knock listening" device and a circuit that automatically adjusts fuel and/or spark settings to eliminate knock. Of course in the process the engine is "de-tuned" and it loses some power. So I only use premium grade in it too. As far as I know the DeLorean doesn't have any spark knock detection device (except for the driver's ear). The DeLorean is supposed to run fine on regular grade fuel but I have always used premium grades in mine. It occurred to me that if Erik does have a pre-ignition problem it could be that the engine was tuned for one altitude and was later moved to a significantly different altitude without properly tuning the engine for the new altitude. Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) ------------------------------ message 2610 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2610 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:44:09 -0700 From: birdstrike@hotmail.com Subject: [DML] electrical problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The "key in the ignition w/ door open" buzzer stays on all the time, just a little bit, barely audible. This continues when the car is shut down and the key removed causing the battery to lose charge overnight. Is it a bad relay?? which one?? Please help I need to fix it up to sell and don't want to pass on any problems. ------------------------------ message 2611 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2611 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Scucci" References: <853ba4c3.24fd46f4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:47:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] To DMCDean@AOL.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried emailing you but I couldn't get through for some reason... anyways please send me the info of the delorean, I am very interested in it. ------------------------------ message 2612 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2612 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:04:57 -0400 From: Jim MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Door clips roof when opening Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got my Delorean and I'm curious is there any way I can adjust the door. When I open it ketches on the front corner. Not bad but its starting to leave a marks on the door and I don't want it to get any worst.. http://www.gate.net/~starbuck/dmcdoor.jpg James Sleeth ------------------------------ message 2613 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2613 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:38:51 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6806822e.24fcd659@aol.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Tire Balancing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > DeLorean31@aol.com wrote: > > I was wondering how many owners have had them spin balanced while on the car > or do most people just balance the tires on the rims while they are off the car? Race cars have been mentioned as having the "tires" balanced on the car but no one has offered any particular reasoning for that. While the tires and wheels are being balanced on a race car, so is everything else that rotates, the disc brake rotor, the axle, and even the lug nuts (or wheel knock-off as it were). When race car wheels spin at near 300 MPH or even higher, even the slightest imbalance in the drive train can be a problem. You're not going to have that problem with your DeLorean. The off-car balancing, if done properly, is more than sufficient for any speeds you will be driving. The key here is "if done properly". Any grease monkey can attempt to balance a tire/wheel assembly off the car using a computerized balancing machine. There is a little more to it (not much) than just sticking the wheel/tire on the machine and pushing buttons. Correct interpretation of the readings and placement of the weights are critical. But the same is true for on-car balancing. The difference is that the mechanic that does on-car balancing is more likely to know what he doing than the tire jock at K-Mart who was a shoe salesman yesterday, therefore he's qualified, and who learned how to use the balancing machine during his lunch hour today. If you want the best balancing and alignment service, go to a specialty shop. As an aside, if you did balance the wheel/tire on the car and the wheel is later taken off for any reason and not put back on exactly in the same position you have lost any advantage. Splitting hairs, the lug nuts would have to be put back on the exact same studs they came off of as well. > Also should the alignment be checked or anything else done while changing > the tires? This is a no-brainer. Absolutely the alignment should be checked. Whenever I have new tires installed I drive on the new tires for a few hundred miles before doing an alignment to allow for a "break-in" period. With newer high-tech tire manufacturing techniques, this probably isn't necessary but I do it anyhow. I also drive at least 100 miles before having an alignment done when changing out any suspension component such as shocks. When changing tires, all suspension components should be thoroughly inspected such as shocks, ball joints, tie rod ends, and any other moving suspension part, including flexible brake lines. BTW, if you have altered ANYTHING that changes original suspension specifications such as wheel and/or tire size, or lowered/raised the suspended component, the factor original alignment specifications the mechanic uses may no longer be valid. Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) ------------------------------ message 2614 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2614 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: RJRavalli@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:31:19 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Insurance prices, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do most DeLorean owners pay for insurance every month? Are we talking astronomical here, or somewhere in the $100 range? Thanks ------------------------------ message 2615 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2615 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:24:48 +0100 From: Martin Gutkowski MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199908301938_MC2-82F8-36FF@compuserve.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Problem with bad press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...and Morgan. Cheers, Martin John Hanley wrote: > Message text written by INTERNET:dmcnews@egroups.com > > > "God Save the Queen" and the English Cars -- what ever is still left. > < > > TVR mate > > Regards > John Hanley ------------------------------ message 2616 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2616 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Gus Schlachter Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:29:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Texas is hot, A/C is not Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BEF400.409DE1FE" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF400.409DE1FE Content-Type: text/plain The good news is that "Bar's Leaks" seems to have made my water pump stop leaking. At least it's down to a barely detectable drip instead of a steady stream. I've bought myself some time at the very least. But now I've got a new problem: no A/C. Not good in the Texas heat! (and with such tiny windows) The compressor clutch is not kicking in. I checked the voltage to the wire on top of the compressor (I assume that's for the clutch) and got no voltage. I was tempted to hook 12V to the clutch to see if it would engage, but the resistance through it is 4 ohms, which seems low. I know the mode switch is working, since selecting A/C turns on the cooling fans, just not the compressor. I'm going to try bypassing the pressure switch, just as soon as I find it, but I have a hard time believing that enough freon escaped to take me from arctic blast to no-go over lunch. Any other troubleshooting suggestions? Gus Schlachter Austin, TX VIN# 4695 ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF400.409DE1FE Content-Type: text/html content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Texas is hot, A/C is not

The good news i= s that "Bar's Leaks" seems to have made my water pump stop leakin= g.  At least it's down to a barely detectable drip instead of a steady= stream.  I've bought myself some time at the very least.

But now I've go= t a new problem: no A/C.  Not good in the Texas heat!  (and with = such tiny windows)

The compressor = clutch is not kicking in.  I checked the voltage to the wire on top of= the compressor (I assume that's for the clutch) and got no voltage.  = I was tempted to hook 12V to the clutch to see if it would engage, but the = resistance through it is 4 ohms, which seems low.

I know the mode= switch is working, since selecting A/C turns on the cooling fans, just not= the compressor.

I'm going to tr= y bypassing the pressure switch, just as soon as I find it, but I have a ha= rd time believing that enough freon escaped to take me from arctic blast to= no-go over lunch.  Any other troubleshooting suggestions?


Gus Schlachter<= /FONT>
Austin, TX
VIN# 4695


------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF400.409DE1FE-- ------------------------------ message 2617 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2617 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: E Grauff In-Reply-To: <7qhba9$qd45@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: electrical problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On mine, the ignition lock itself gets stuck pushed in about 1/8th of an inch (even though the key is removed) - if push it with my pinky it pops out and the noise stops. Don't know if it's applicable to you, but something to look at. -Eric On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 birdstrike@hotmail.com wrote: > The "key in the ignition w/ door open" buzzer stays on all the time, > just a little bit, barely audible. This continues when the car is shut > down and the key removed causing the battery to lose charge overnight. > Is it a bad relay?? which one?? Please help I need to fix it up to > sell and don't want to pass on any problems. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > > ------------------------------ message 2618 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2618 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "steveDMC" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:42:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Clearcoat? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you want to reduce scatches try a Scotch Brite pad. ------------------------------ message 2619 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2619 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Dan B" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:20:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Owning a D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought my D when I was 19 (I'm 22 now), and I didn't have any problem getting insurance - or paying all my bills for that matter. I live in Seattle, WA and I just went through my State Farm agent. I probably paid more for my insurance than others - I seem to recall I was paying ~ $260 a month (Or something close to that!). I think at the time I had a very minor accident on my record. All is better now, and I pay around $100 a month. Dan B -----Original Message----- From: DLoff80@aol.com To: dmcnews@egroups.com Date: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:37 PM Subject: [DML] Owning a D >Well, I kinda erased Erik Geerdinks email ,but meant to ask everyone. IS THE >AUTO INSURANCE BAD ON A D?!?! I actually called gto try and get an estimate >from my company while living in Auburn, WA and the lady actually laughed at >me and said if I got it to leave it in the garage becuase they would not >insure me on such a car/.... >Erik how do you do it, and if there are any other 19 yeara olds out there >that own one, how do you guys do it? And, is it possible for a kid that has >to pay ALL his bills to own one? > >Wanting one VERY soon in life... >Dave Loffler >Providence, RI >VIN- WAITING > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > > > ------------------------------ message 2620 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2620 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:04:54 -0400 (EDT) From: William T Wilson In-Reply-To: <37CC278C.AD57C14A@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Premium Gasoline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Ann & Ed Thompson wrote: > I guess I wasn't thinking about the folks that live in the clouds on > purpose where real gasoline isn't readily available. If Erik does > live in or near the high mountains of Colorado he can go to a good > speed shop and get an octane booster. It's actually okay. In the high altitude of Colorado (Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, etc.) naturally aspirated engines require lower octane rating. The conventional wisdom is that high altitude adds 2 points to the octane rating, which is why you see 85/87/91 grades rather than 87/89/93 like you do in the rest of the country. Octane booster is almost totally worthless. About the only thing it does is foul your spark plugs. If it worked as well as they claim racers would just use that instead of paying $4/gallon for real race gas. The only reason octane booster people don't get sued more often for false advertising is that they say "boosts up to seven points" or whatever. In fact, when mixed with premium gas, the effect is at most 1 point of octane incrase. It works great when you mix it with 85 octane gas, though - but then why bother? :} > That's not a problem. Actually that would be even a better test for > troubleshooting the pinging if it is pre-ignition. He could boost the Unless the timing is grossly advanced (which would be easier to check and return more definitive results with a timing light) there is no set of circumstances that I can think of that would cause detonation at light or idle load on a stock DeLorean. A little detonation is normal going up a steep hill or at full acceleration in many engines (of that vintage - modern engines should almost never detonate), but not under cruising conditions. An exhaust leak, on the other hand, will be audible under a wide range of circumstances. > knock detection device (except for the driver's ear). The DeLorean is > supposed to run fine on regular grade fuel but I have always used > premium grades in mine. That's reasonable enough. The higher grade fuels typically have better additives and are more 'pure' than low grade gas. But the DeLorean has a very low compression engine which should run fine on just about any fuel grade. As long as you don't have detonation, additional octane, per se, is wasted. > It occurred to me that if Erik does have a pre-ignition problem it > could be that the engine was tuned for one altitude and was later > moved to a significantly different altitude without properly tuning > the engine for the new altitude. I don't think this would make a lot of difference. The difference in octane rating and the difference in air pressure typically cancel each other out (on a naturally aspirated engine). ------------------------------ message 2621 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2621 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:49:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Spin Balancing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, I know what you mean, we are lucky here in Atlanta to have a shop that routinely performs spin balances at rates just slightly more than Pep Boys. I am not surprised with your good experience with the computer balance. It appears that the Yokohamas, which we love, are more forgiving than other brands. I think this would be a good time for me to share my experience with this alignment facility. Shortly after I purchased my DeLorean I noticed some disturbing tire wear on my factory installed NCT's associated with wheel shimmy at 55 mph and over. At less than 7000 miles I had the tires replaced by NTW, now NTB. Within the next 3000 miles the same ware patterns started to develop. During this period of time I was contracted to do consulting work with one of the local DeLorean dealerships. While working in their shop and sharing information with their factory trained mechanic he said the following when I mentioned my tire problems. "Yeah; I know what you mean. Most of the cars coming from the factory are out of alignment. We now send the cars directly to an alignment shop when they come off the truck." The alignment shop is still in business with the same owner and still does all of our DeLorean alignment work. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / Web Site: ---------- > From: Dick Ryan > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] Spin Balancing > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 2:35 PM > > Perhaps I'm jealous of what must be available elsewhere, but the spin > balancing recommendation must be treated as one of those "nice to have" > --as opposed to necessary -- things. > > I recently called every tire shop, alignment shop, etc. in Denver, Fort > Collins and Boulder. NONE of them did on the car balancing and they said > that they knew of no one in the area who did this anymore. I asked why and > they all said "because it didn't do a better job and it was dangerous". > Yes, a couple of them were high performance/race car places. > > I went with a local place that does computer controlled balancing (off the > car) and alignment. I just completed 4000 miles in two weeks and never has > the car steered, cornered or just plain ridden smoother. > > Oh, I found a place in Denver than does industrial vibration dampening and > they said they could do on the car balancing, but wondered why I wanted > such. They also said they charge by the hour and have a minimum!! > > Dick Ryan > VIN 16867 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- View the full archives, subscribe/unsubscribe, use the group calendar at http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews Manage your subscriptions at http://eGroups.com Free e-mail groups by eGroups.com. 
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