From: eGroups Digest [dmcnews@egroups.com] Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 12:41 AM To: David.Swingle Subject: dmcnews digest eGroups Daily Digest: dmcnews has 57 new messages. Click here http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2037 to read them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2037. Marc A Levy Speaker Box Update 2038. raynet@home.net Re: Digital Dashboards 2039. Kemp, Nick (MN10) Re: Digital Dashboards 2040. James Espey Re: Was it something I said? (was Commercial Pos 2041. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Digital Dashboards 2042. John Hanley CPPolicy Hanley response 2043. Jus4sho@aol.com Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2044. Jus4sho@aol.com Re: Digital Dashboards 2045. Neil Blaze DMC Info 2046. JOHNMIDD1@aol.com Re: Digital Dashboards 2047. Marc Barth Re: Northstar V8 2048. BurkePhoto@aol.com Re: Digital Dashboards 2049. BurkePhoto@aol.com Re: CPPolicy Hanley response 2050. William F. Lane Re: Fascia paint 2051. GBFan816@aol.com Re: wanting to trade GTO for a D in a local muse 2052. Aaron Posey Re: Digital Dashboards 2053. ToniLFHS98@aol.com Re: Fascia paint 2054. Montgomery, Ken N. Cal. DeLorean Owners Club Meeting Announcemen 2055. George Ryerson ECU Module 2056. Robert Hlavacek Re: Refurbished and machined wheels (was wheels) 2057. CBL302@aol.com Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2058. CBL302@aol.com Re: Digital Dashboards 2059. jan@vdwouw.demon.nl Re: Digital Dashboards 2060. RHYD6893 The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners " 2061. Need4Spd05@aol.com Does anyone know anybody who owns a delorean in 2062. Need4Spd05@aol.com Re: The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owne 2063. BurkePhoto@aol.com Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2064. egg Re: dmcnews digest 2065. Kristen Bettcher The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners 2066. John Hanley Re: Refurbished and machined wheels (was wheels) 2067. Marc A Levy Re: Northstar V8 2068. JimmuC@aol.com RX-7 Delorean Connection???? 2069. Need4Spd05@aol.com Re: dmcnews digest 2070. Marc A Levy Re: The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owne 2071. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Does anyone know anybody who owns a delorean 2072. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: CPPolicy Hanley response 2073. Need4Spd05@aol.com Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2074. Mike Substelny Death of Commercial Posting Thread 2075. Jack Stiefel Re: Speaker Box Update 2076. Gerald Deutsch Re: Digital Dashboards 2077. Need4Spd05@aol.com DML 2078. Robert Greenhaw Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? 2079. Josh Haldeman Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? 2080. LovDMC12@aol.com Re: ECU Module 2081. doctor280 Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? 2082. IVe099@aol.com Re: older or newer model 2083. SteveDMC Re: dmcnews digest 2084. SteveDMC Re: older or newer model 2085. Need4Spd05@aol.com Re: older or newer model 2086. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? 2087. CBL302@aol.com Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? 2088. SteveDMC Re: older or newer model 2089. Sandro John Di Giacomo JZD's autobiography 2090. LovDMC12@aol.com Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? 2091. DMC5524@aol.com Re: Digital Dashboards 2092. David Sontos Re: Fascia paint 2093. darryl@techline.com Re: modified interior; wheels ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 2037 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2037 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:43:16 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Speaker Box Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As some of you know, I have been working on a subwoofer box for the back shelf of the D. This past weekend, I was able to assemble the box, and take some accurate measurements, if anyone wants to try to reproduce it. For the audio enthusiast: The box is a "wedge" shape, and using the wedge speaker formulas, the internal air volume is about .9FT^3 Using geometry formulas, I calculate the volume to be .822FT^3 Close enuff! Because the front of the wedge ended up to be about 10 inches (smaller than I would have liked) it will be risky to put a 10 inch woofer in there. If you recall, my plan was to use a sealed enclosure with some 10 inch Kicker solobaric woofers (EXPENSIVE!) With the results as they are now, I will use a high power 8 inch woofer in a 4th order vented box. Although this will not be as "tight", it will be more efficient and have a lower resonant frequency (about 33Hz). It should not sound as "boomy" as the bandpass enclosures that most of the obnoxious "thumper" cars have in them. I have looked at a number of drivers, and the MTX BTLB4 looks like a good candidate. According to their web site, this will work well in a box of my size with a 2X7.75 port. I have no prices on them yet. If anyone is interested in progress pictures, of drawings to try and duplicate it, please contact me directly. I hope to have it complete in the next month. ------------------------------ message 2038 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2038 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:33:50 -0700 From: raynet@home.net In-Reply-To: <002901bede04$678d46e0$0101010a@gandalf> Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -SNIP- I would assume that if there were enough interest on the list we may be able to get some sort of a discount (at least off of the engineering/design side). -SNIP- I think this might be a good idea. In emailing back and forth with Dakota Digital the cost to have a custom one done will be about $800 after shipping. I'm hoping that they will be able to cut off at least $100 bucks if we can order a few of these. We would have to agree on a specific design to be able to get a discount though. I see no reason to change the layout of the current setup as it is and run with that. Raymond McKay ------------------------------ message 2039 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2039 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:26:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With a digital dashboard, how do you plan to get speed information? Interface to the existing angle drive? It would be nice to get the angle drive out of the loop. NK ------------------------------ message 2040 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2040 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <015001bedd5f$1d1faf80$490d50d8@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:37:34 -0500 From: James Espey Subject: [DML] Re: Was it something I said? (was Commercial Posting Policy) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 10:20 PM -0500 8/2/99, Dave Swingle wrote: >We have had inquiries recently about allowing "commercial" postings into the >mailing list. (SNIP) > >site. That belongs on the vendors' web pages or other customer mailing lists >that they may care to start. Vendors will be subject to the same rejection >rules as anyone else regarding excessive string quoting and other such >infractions. We'll also frown on harvesting email addresses from the >archives, although that would be admittedly hard to police. > >As always, comments welcome. And as always, if it gets out of control we can >change our minds. > The DeLorean Mailing List is unquestionably the best source online for DeLorean information - and that includes technical advice, parts sources and pricing, as well as feedback about experiences with DeLorean vendors. In my capacity at DeLorean Motor Company, I respond to publicly to messages where I believe my posting will be of benefit to DeLorean owners and enthusiasts as a whole. I respond privately when the information is of less broad nature. I think that we have the best customer service, the best mechanical service, and certainly the best selection of parts. I will promote it as much as I can wherever it is allowed. I have neither asked for nor expect any "special treatment" as a result of my past relationship with the list. I've had messages rejected, so I think it's safe to say that I am not getting any special treatment, either. With DMC Joe dishing out technical advice and offering "house calls", sources of parts are a natural extension - I wish that other vendors would contribute, too. Competition is healthy, and there's nothing wrong with having alternatives. But since this whole thread appears to have been a result of my postings, I would invite Delorean owners and enthusiasts that are interested in knowing more about the goings on at DeLorean Motor Company (Houston) to subscribe to our "announcement-only" newsletter at: http://www.usadmc.com/emailgram.html Previous editions of this newsletter are also available at that location. Taking off my "DeLorean Motor Company hat" for a moment, I'd like to once again publicly thank Bruce, Marty, Mike, Knut, Dick and Dave in particular for taking on the reponsibilities of ensuring the integrity and usefulness of the DML - I know that it often a thankless job. Now can we get back to talking about the car? James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas and Retired Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List ------------------------------ message 2041 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2041 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:07:34 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7ochtu$49uk@eGroups.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I would assume that if there were enough interest on the list we may > be able to get some sort of a discount (at least off of the > engineering/design side). I'm sorry, but I cannot imagine why anyone would want to convert from a reliable and aesthetically pleasing analog dash. If the car came with a digital dash in the first place, I can assure you that I would be the first in line to purchase an analog conversion if one were to be made available. This has nothing to do with keeping the car "pure". It has everything to do with reliability and aesthetics. As to the question of accuracy, who cares if the temperature reads 180 degrees or EXACTLY 181 degrees? Or if you are going EXACTLY 61 MPH instead of an indicated 60 MPH? I can speak from some degree of experience having owned a 1984 Corvette almost as long as I have owned my 1981 DeLorean (Since 1982). I have had a variety of problems with the digital dash on the Corvette almost since day one, including a $500 badly needed total rebuild. I have never had a problem with the D's analog dash. If I could get my hands on an analog dash for my Vette, I would have converted it long ago. Do you have any idea which technology is used on the C-5 Vettes? It ain't digital! GM dropped the digital dash technology in favor of analog years ago, especially in the high end cars. Other manufacturers may have done the same thing. I don't think any of the exotic high performance European sports cars ever did use a digital dash. BTW, after market vendors offer a plug-and-play digital dash conversion for C-3 Corvettes. They don't sell many. Ed Thompson (#6419) ------------------------------ message 2042 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2042 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:32:47 -0400 From: John Hanley <106165.1407@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] CPPolicy Hanley response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoever posted this could have had the courage to add their name I consid= er it pretty slanderous. The moderators have made a ruling on this, their ta= sk is thankless, we bitch when they make a wrong decision, each of us is our= own Delorean expert often disagreeing with what another DML'r may say or think. I personally think they are wrong and I will go about proving to them that it is wrong. This I intend doing privately as I have had mail privately, guys enough,,, I caused a stir when I posted my message, I ha= d intended to do so, my code of ethics said that I had to take some form of= action and make people really think the whole picture out. if you have a point to make be prepared to put your name to it Regards to All John Hanley VIN16369 Message text written by INTERNET:dmcnews@egroups.com > = Yes... It would be difficult to post a message disagreeing with the moderators. I wonder why it is not clear to the rest of the list. It looks to me like the commercial posting policy is selective depending on who the poster is. I suspect you have the same issue. It would seem to me that the DML moderators has a cozy deal with DMC Houston. John Hanley wrote: > = > Message text written by INTERNET:dmcnews@egroups.com > = > Mark N > VIN 6820writes.... > >Why?? I think polite discussion is good. Let us know why you feel this= > way.< > = > I repeat.......I prefer not to comment specificly but will keep my thoughts > private so as not to upset anyone. > = > I have had several Private Mails however that whole heartedly agree wit= h > myself and the next thing i think that will happen will be this thread = on > Commercial Posting Policy will be cut........ > = > Regards > John Hanley 16369 > = > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com < ------------------------------ message 2043 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2043 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Jus4sho@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:39:48 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming this list is truly for US, the subscribers, I find it only natural that WE decide when an andividual or organization is abusing our list. The moderator's job is to organize and distribute the list, weeding out OBVIOUS junk. If however, a posting is even remotely relevant, it should be posted. If we the subscribers begin to see a trend, such a vendor submitting "sale" adds, then WE should notify the moderator, privately if necessary. It would then be the moderator's job to watch submissions from that vendor a little more closely. I personally have never seen such a posting on here and I appreciate the posting from DMC Joe and James. (In fact, sometimes Joe's comments/instructions are so detailed, I think he's "cutting his own throat".) This kind of selfless devotion to helping people is what we need on the list, not abuses in the form of "sale" adds or moderator censorship. All IMHO, of course. Steve ------------------------------ message 2044 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2044 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Jus4sho@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:52:12 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A simple fact: You can "read" an analog gauge, in your periferal vision without actually looking directly at it or taking your eyes off the road. You can't do that with a digital! That's the practical side of it. Digital gauges do look kinda neat though and are good for "spectator reaction". Your choice: FORM or FUNCTION. Steve ------------------------------ message 2045 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2045 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Blaze MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DMC Info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody, My name is Neil Blaze and I've just joined your little group. I'm 18 years old and am beginning to take an interest in the De Lorean motorcar. I hope to own one someday and I'm just trying to get as much information as I can, so if any of you have some good booklets, or brochures or anything else like that, I'd be happy to receive them. I'm anxious to learn as much as I can about these fine cars and I also hope to become more involved with them in the near future! Thanks! Neil Blaze. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ message 2046 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2046 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: JOHNMIDD1@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:14:03 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> I have a '99 Corvette with the heads-up display, a digital display projected into the windshield, in addition to the standard analog gauges. It's great!! ------------------------------ message 2047 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2047 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Marc Barth" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:49:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Northstar V8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup the Northstar should fit fine. If it'll fit in a fiero it'll fit in a Delorean. Some people even turbocharge the Northstar to extract over 400 horsepower. Unfortunately the Northstar engine is available only with a 4 speed automatic. Marc >From: orentha@hotmail.com >Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com >To: dmcnews@eGroups.com >Subject: [DML] Northstar V8 >Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:00:50 -0700 > >If anyone's looking for power in your D, my buddy's dad owns a Cadillac >dealership and was telling me that a Cadillac Northstar V8 would fit >perfectly in the delorean. Northstar's are very good engines and have >ALOT of power, I don't know the exact specs on it but I think it's >around 300 HP (i think). and they can be easily modified to get well >over 400 HP. So if your looking for power , i would recommend the >Northstar. I eventually plan to put one in my d >just my thoughts, >jim >vin15314 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address >moderator@dmcnews.com > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ message 2048 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2048 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: BurkePhoto@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:10:32 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen, Ed. See any digital rinky dinks in the Prowler? Of course not. All pro racers know for functionality, reliability and readability, nothing beats white on black analog instrumentation. Burke ------------------------------ message 2049 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2049 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: BurkePhoto@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:13:07 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: CPPolicy Hanley response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forget the proof. No one wants to hear it! Car talk only, please. No one cares about your code of ethics. Burke ------------------------------ message 2050 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2050 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:18:19 -0500 From: "William F. Lane" MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37A8895D.4B21DEC@megalink.net> <37A90B45.6234@wco.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Fascia paint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben, Any reliable body shop should be able to handle the front and rear facia of the D without having to remove them. I had a local body shop that specialized in Corvettes to repaint mine about 2 years ago. I just gave them the paint code and they did the rest. Cost $300.00 Bill Lane vin 3635 Ben Krasnow wrote: > Both the front and rear "fascias" (bumpers) on my car are starting to > fade, and the paint is coming apart on the horizontal surfaces. I have > a DAU paint code to match the original color, however the guy at the > auto paint store said I would need plastic primers, flexibilizers, > stabilizers, etc in addition to the paint itself. The total would be > about $240 for just the materials. Then I would have to borrow a paint > gun, and try to do the job myself. It doesn't sound like a good > project. How have other people dealt with fading paint? Would an auto > body shop strip, prime and paint them, if I took the bumpers off the > car? Has anyone had any experience with sending the fascias out to be > painted? Where? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2051 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2051 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: GBFan816@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:27:27 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: wanting to trade GTO for a D in a local museum-need help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, buddy, this sounds pretty crappy, actually. Never, even for a D, shoiuld you buy a car without knowing mileage, or id discoloration is showing. On the D's, discolorization is near-identical to rust on "normal" bodied cars. Sorry to disappoint, but this is one D even I would avoid... Andy Morris GBFan816 ------------------------------ message 2052 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2052 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Posey MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually the Cadillac Deville and d'Elegance have a digital dash. The other Cadillacs have analog Speedometer, Tachometer, fuel, and temperature readouts. Everything else is digital. --- Ann & Ed Thompson wrote: > > I would assume that if there were enough interest on > the list we may > > be able to get some sort of a discount (at least off of > the > > engineering/design side). > > > I'm sorry, but I cannot imagine why anyone would want to > convert from > a reliable and aesthetically pleasing analog dash. If > the car came with > a digital dash in the first place, I can assure you that > I would be > the first in line to purchase an analog conversion if one > were to be > made available. This has nothing to do with keeping the > car "pure". > It has everything to do with reliability and aesthetics. > As to the > question of accuracy, who cares if the temperature reads > 180 degrees > or EXACTLY 181 degrees? Or if you are going EXACTLY 61 > MPH instead of > an indicated 60 MPH? I can speak from some degree of > experience > having owned a 1984 Corvette almost as long as I have > owned my 1981 > DeLorean (Since 1982). I have had a variety of problems > with the > digital dash on the Corvette almost since day one, > including a $500 > badly needed total rebuild. I have never had a problem > with the D's > analog dash. If I could get my hands on an analog dash > for my Vette, > I would have converted it long ago. Do you have any idea > which > technology is used on the C-5 Vettes? It ain't digital! > GM dropped > the digital dash technology in favor of analog years ago, > especially > in the high end cars. Other manufacturers may have done > the same > thing. I don't think any of the exotic high performance > European > sports cars ever did use a digital dash. BTW, after > market vendors > offer a plug-and-play digital dash conversion for C-3 > Corvettes. > They don't sell many. > > Ed Thompson (#6419) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, > please address moderator@dmcnews.com > > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ message 2053 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2053 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: ToniLFHS98@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:51:38 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Fascia paint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had my rear fascia painted recently and paid $200.00 for a professional job. The body shop that I used specializes in import cars and high-end autos. They quoted me the same price for the front fascia also. I had the rear done first because it desperately needed a refinishing. I am happy with the result and if anyone in the Chicago area wants to see it, please contact me. Bill VIN# 2157 ------------------------------ message 2054 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2054 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Montgomery, Ken" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:03:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] N. Cal. DeLorean Owners Club Meeting Announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Northern California DeLorean Motor Club (NCDMC) will be holding its August meeting on the 15th of the month. We've been able to set up something a little special for our August gathering. We'll meet for breakfast at 9:00AM at the Velvet Grill, in Alameda (see links info below). We'll discuss planning for upcoming meetings during breakfast. From there we'll caravan to the USS Hornet (the aircraft carrier that was the recovery ship for the Apollo 11 and 12 Moon missions). We've made arrangements to park the DeLoreans on the pier alongside the ship. Normally, no private vehicles are allowed on the pier but they are making an exception for us. If you want to take pictures, be sure to bring a wide angle lens to capture the whole scene. A typical tour of the ship is about 1 1/2 hours and the admission fee is $9.00 per person with a $1.00 off discount for groups of 10 or more. We'll be planning to arrive at the Hornet at 11:00AM in case you can't make the breakfast (see links info below). Please contact me and let me know if you can make the gathering. We need to let both the restaurant and the USS Hornet know how many people and cars to expect. Again, that's August 15th. Link info and directions to the Velvet Grill: http://www.southshorecenter.com And for the USS Hornet: http://www.usshornetmuseum.org/info.htm Also be sure to check out the NCDMC website. You can post announcements there and see photos from past events. ================================================================ Ken Montgomery Sacramento, CA VIN #10911 'OUTTIME' http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm kenm@csus.edu Northern California DeLorean Motor Club http://members.tripod.com/ncdmc/ ================================================================ ------------------------------ message 2055 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2055 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:06:00 -0400 From: George Ryerson MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] ECU Module Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just purchased a very nice '83 model that has a few small problems. While investigating a rough and very rich idle I noticed that the ECU module is not mounted on the firewall ahead of the engine. In fact I've not been able to locate the ECU module at all! Is the ECU module located somewhere else not shown in the assembly or workshop manuals? There are also some vacuum lines missing from the spark advance control solenoid that is located on the top front of the engine. There are no vacuum leaks however as all lines are in good condition and none are "hanging in the breeze". I wonder if anyone knows if some cars may have been modified to eliminate the ECU module. I know that this seems far fetched but as I am just beginning to learn the workings I'm at a loss to explain all of this. Thanks much for any help that anyone can give. ------------------------------ message 2056 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2056 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:56:00 -0400 From: Robert Hlavacek MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <009901bede95$3b048d40$cdc4cfcf@jerry.eclipse.net> Subject: [DML] Re: Refurbished and machined wheels (was wheels) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think this qualifies as a commercial. A specific question was asked and someone answered it, it could have as easily have been you giving the requested information. If I post a question I want anyone that can answer it to answer it, regardless of their affiliation. Advertising would when someone posts a product for sale without being asked, who just spams the DML list. I think this response by Mr. Espey is appropriate for the list. Someone else who needs this information in the future will just have to search the group. Hi Dan, Bob here. Gerald Deutsch wrote: > It was my understanding that commercial advertisements weren't allowed on > the list... If that is true, is Mr. Espey the only one excluded because he > created the list? Or are advertisements allowed now? I am very confused. > Moderator, please clarify for all members of the list, because this post > from Mr. Espey looks like an advertisement to me. Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Espey > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 11:59 AM > Subject: [DML] Re: Refurbished and machined wheels (was wheels) > > >At 6:09 PM -0500 8/3/99, Michael Babb wrote: > >>does anybody have a set of used or new wheels? not the tires, just the > >>silver/gray wheels. > > > >>You may want to check out the DMC-Houston website. I believe that you > >>can >send in your old wheels to be refinished......... James....Don't > >>see the >link anymore, can you give is some info? Michael Babb vin 3472 > >>michael.babb@mindspring.com > > > >At the risk of sounding "commercial" - here is the URL for the wheels we > carry: > > > >http://www.usadmc.com/catalog/wheelsetc.html > > > >James Espey > >DeLorean Motor Company > >Houston, Texas > > > >281/568-9573 > >800/USA-DMC1 > >http://www.usadmc.com > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address > moderator@dmcnews.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2057 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2057 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:44:08 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/99 10:56:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RappaRivaRat@erols.com writes: << I suppose we need to further define "commercial" here as being "for profit" as opposed to a private individual offering for sale personal property that may be of interest to the DML >> Why not have a section in the DMCNEWS,for people like me who have collected DMC parts,(I have seventeen years of parts) and and accessories and now want to sell them to someone who may need them,or will that conflict with the big three D suppliers. Claude vin#006383 ------------------------------ message 2058 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2058 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:01:50 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/99 2:44:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nick.kemp@HBC.honeywell.com writes: << With a digital dashboard, how do you plan to get speed information? Interface to the existing angle drive? It would be nice to get the angle drive out of the loop. >> Well for one thing ,you will get that information,when you get pulled over for a speeding ticket,I know I got a ticket,when my angle drive broke and I was doing 82mph in a 55mph zone. Claude Vin#10554 ------------------------------ message 2059 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2059 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 04:01:40 -0700 From: jan@vdwouw.demon.nl In-Reply-To: <3a494873.24db456c@aol.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy do I feel guilty: I was the one who asked for some info on a digital dash, but I specifically staed I did NOT want a "nice or not"-discussion... About being able to read in your periferal vision: that's why they've invented (and used) BarGraph-readouts... Just like the odometer/tach on KITT (KnightRider), where the RPMs are shown with a bar of leds in different colors. Just my 2 cents. Jan van de Wouw Goirle, The Netherlands Think Different... Use a Mac... Drive a DeLorean <3a494873.24db456-@aol.com> wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=2044 > A simple fact: You can "read" an analog gauge, in your periferal vision > without actually looking directly at it or taking your eyes off the road. > You can't do that with a digital! That's the practical side of it. Digital > gauges do look kinda neat though and are good for "spectator reaction". Your > choice: FORM or FUNCTION. > > Steve ------------------------------ message 2060 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2060 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:06:57 -0400 From: RHYD6893 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners "Cruise-In" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners "CRUISE-IN" Presented by The Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club Saturday Sept. 25th and Sunday Sept.26th 1999 The site of our "Cruise-In" will be the Lake Lanier Rowing/Kayak Olympic Venue Featured events: DMC Joe of DeLorean Services Rob Grady of PJ Grady Stephen Wynne of DMC Houston Ben Davis Turbo owner Prizes and Drawings: First Drawing: 50/50cash prize Drawing! Special Drawings for registrations postmarked by Sept.1, 1999 Sheep skin seat covers, Goodrich Tires, Door Struts, R-12 Freon "Top-Off" service and Discount Certificates! please www.deloreanservices.com for updates of the event click "cruise-in" for full particulars email seanm@atlcom.net with any questions ------------------------------ message 2061 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2061 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Need4Spd05@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:17:01 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Does anyone know anybody who owns a delorean in the houston area? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know anybody who owns a delorean in the houston area? Does anyone know if there is anything in houston about DMCs? If so contact me directly at Need4spd05@aol.com and if you love deloreans go to www.geocities.com/hollywood/picture/7833 Thank You Kindly, Zach - Web Dude Want a web site? Contact me ------------------------------ message 2062 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2062 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Need4Spd05@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:26:56 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners "Cruise-In" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When will there ever be a Delorean show or something like that in Texas? Huh? ------------------------------ message 2063 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2063 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: BurkePhoto@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:00:39 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this really about a car? Or is it people with too much time on their hands? Good grief! Get a life!!! Burke ------------------------------ message 2064 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2064 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "egg" Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:53:10 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: dmcnews digest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before the moderator rejects this post, please let me finish. I think that everybody should know that you are now able to buy the exact hoverboard from Back to the Futuer II. just go to...dare i say...Ebay and look under Back to the Future. its on the second page. it will only cost you at least...$2,900! just thought you woul like to know Erik "egg" Geerdink VIN# 4512 LIC. PLATE: EGGS D ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ message 2065 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2065 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:47:43 -0400 From: "Kristen Bettcher" Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners "Cruise-In" -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where is this taking place? What town, state, etc.? >>> RHYD6893 - 8/6/99 9:06 AM >>> The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners "CRUISE-IN" Presented by The Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club Saturday Sept. 25th and Sunday Sept.26th 1999 The site of our "Cruise-In" will be the Lake Lanier Rowing/Kayak Olympic Venue Featured events: DMC Joe of DeLorean Services Rob Grady of PJ Grady Stephen Wynne of DMC Houston Ben Davis Turbo owner Prizes and Drawings: First Drawing: 50/50cash prize Drawing! Special Drawings for registrations postmarked by Sept.1, 1999 Sheep skin seat covers, Goodrich Tires, Door Struts, R-12 Freon "Top-Off" service and Discount Certificates! please www.deloreanservices.com for updates of the event click "cruise-in" for full particulars email seanm@atlcom.net with any questions ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address = moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2066 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2066 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:43:50 -0400 From: John Hanley <106165.1407@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Refurbished and machined wheels (was wheels) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funnily enough I happened to post something about a company who completel= y refurbishes wheels they are out in Indiana. I found the subject interesti= ng enough so I wrote the piece ...around the 4th/5th April 98 John Hanley = Vin 16369 Not a sales agent of the company nor an employee of that same company ------------------------------ message 2067 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2067 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:44:14 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19990806015000.96180.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Northstar V8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is a message I received from Richard Cutter. I lost the URL, but it was posted to the DML a few weeks back. This outfit has a number of kits for the Fiero including a Northstar. Everything sounds good, except for the price! With turbos on the PRV6, we could probably get 0-60 in 7 seconds. Turbos are significantly less than 20K Considering the wide use of the PRV in Europe, including high performance and race cars, I dont understand why we cant just get 250+ HP from the PRV. > We are working on a Northstar V8 conversion and this will take 3 to 4 > months to complete and start testing. > Our Plans include: > - Stick Shift only... > - In-house conversion only, no kits !!!! > - No modification that cannot be easly reversed to the DeLorean... > - Modifications will be made to engine not the DeLorean... > - All parts that have been removed are boxed and returned to the customer > as to allow return to origional powertrain configuration. > - Cost will be a minor factor, quality of installation is most important... > We will not post anything on the web site until the conversion is complete > and we are ready to offer the conversion. > As you can expect there iss a lot to work out and test so there is little > information that we can say about it now except we are presently working on > it now > and check back with us in a few months... Our desire is to start offering > the conversion by Oct 1st... > Using several of the other Noprthstar stick installations 0 to 60 should be > close to 5 sec > - > Transmission selection has not been made as yet. > - > Until we have completed and tested it we do not have any true estimate but > expect a drive out price to be close to $ 20,000 or more. > - > Rich > - ------------------------------ message 2068 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2068 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: JimmuC@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:47:46 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] RX-7 Delorean Connection???? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this is a stupid question but was JZD ever connected with the Mazda Rx-7 in any way. I remember he had something to do with a japanese car but I can't remember which one! Thanks for any answers you can provide for my stupid question. -Jimmy ------------------------------ message 2069 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2069 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Need4Spd05@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:55:47 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: dmcnews digest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik, It doesn't work though. They just used computer graphics to make it float. It's a rip off ------------------------------ message 2070 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2070 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:56:42 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37AADDF1.B361525D@Mercury.gc.peachnet.edu> Subject: [DML] Re: The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners "Cruise-In" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was this the event that was planned for October 2nd? at Stone Mountain Park?? RHYD6893 wrote: > > The 1st Bi-Annual Southeastern DeLorean Owners "CRUISE-IN" > Presented by The Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club > Saturday Sept. 25th and Sunday Sept.26th 1999 > The site of our "Cruise-In" will be the > Lake Lanier Rowing/Kayak Olympic Venue > Featured events: ------------------------------ message 2071 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2071 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:00:45 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: [DML] Re: Does anyone know anybody who owns a delorean in the houston area? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Need4Spd05@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know anybody who owns a delorean in the houston area? Does anyone > know if there is anything in houston about DMCs? This has got to be a joke! I know this person knows better. He is the same one that attempted to open a competing DML. "Anything in Houston about DMCs?" is akin to asking if there is anything in Dallas about football. Ed ------------------------------ message 2072 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2072 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:51:19 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <757ac8bc.24db9eb3@aol.com> Subject: [DML] Re: CPPolicy Hanley response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BurkePhoto@aol.com wrote: > > Forget the proof. No one wants to hear it! > > Car talk only, please. No one cares about your code of ethics. > > Burke > Are the moderators allowing just ANYTHING through these days? I'm not believing this! Ed ------------------------------ message 2073 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2073 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Need4Spd05@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:54:23 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know. I wish is were more about the car or John Delorean. Come on Folks! Talk more about the car or person and less about other stuff. ------------------------------ message 2074 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2074 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:04:27 -0400 From: Mike Substelny MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Death of Commercial Posting Thread Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed asked: > Are the moderators allowing just ANYTHING through these > days? I'm not believing this! These were my call, Ed. I think the Commercial Posting Policy thread is the most ridiculous (and embarrassing) one in the history of the DML. By the end most subscribers probably deleted every message without reading them. However, one or two posts contained what I considered serious language that threatened the DML, and I believed that all the subscribers should have a chance to read them and respond to them. My week of moderation ends today. So that none of the other moderators has to deal with this abomination, I'm declaring the Commercial Posting Thread dead. - Mike Substelny ------------------------------ message 2075 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2075 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Jack Stiefel" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:54:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Speaker Box Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have recently had a custom box made for my d in a similar format. They were able to make a box that fits exactly on the shelf and extend at an angle toward the rear window. They were able to make the angle exactly as the cargo net sits as not to stretch it. They then put in 2 Kenwood 4 way 6x9 speakers and 2 10 inch Rockford Fosgate (spelling apology) subs in the box and placed the Alpine amp under the passenger seat. I had installed the matching Alpine receiver and cd changer installed previously. BTW the Alpine cd changer fits perfectly in our glove boxes with no modifications. The speakers and amp was mine from before so the total cost was about $125.00 installed and I have had several people ask if the box was factory as the carpet matches almost exactly. Email me directly for pictures. Jack Stiefel President Blade Runner Tackle Corporation President Leslie Leasing Corporation Visit us at: http://www.bladerunnertackle.com or my DeLorean page at: http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html Ny Lic # 1981 DMC -----Original Message----- From: Marc A Levy To: DMC News Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 1:49 PM Subject: [DML] Speaker Box Update >As some of you know, I have been working on a subwoofer box for the back >shelf of the D. > >This past weekend, I was able to assemble the box, and take some >accurate measurements, if anyone wants to try to reproduce it. > >For the audio enthusiast: > >The box is a "wedge" shape, and using the wedge speaker formulas, the >internal air volume is about .9FT^3 Using geometry formulas, I >calculate the volume to be .822FT^3 Close enuff! > >Because the front of the wedge ended up to be about 10 inches (smaller >than I would have liked) it will be risky to put a 10 inch woofer in >there. If you recall, my plan was to use a sealed enclosure with some >10 inch Kicker solobaric woofers (EXPENSIVE!) > >With the results as they are now, I will use a high power 8 inch woofer >in a 4th order vented box. Although this will not be as "tight", it >will be more efficient and have a lower resonant frequency (about >33Hz). It should not sound as "boomy" as the bandpass enclosures that >most of the obnoxious "thumper" cars have in them. > >I have looked at a number of drivers, and the MTX BTLB4 looks like a >good candidate. According to their web site, this will work well in a >box of my size with a 2X7.75 port. I have no prices on them yet. > >If anyone is interested in progress pictures, of drawings to try and >duplicate it, please contact me directly. I hope to have it complete in >the next month. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > > ------------------------------ message 2076 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2076 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Gerald Deutsch" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:06:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you want a digital dash, go get it. Don't let anyone tell you differently. It's a matter of personal opinion, and I think that anyone who puts you down for wanting one has a serious problem with freedom of choice. Everyone here who has insulted this person, saying "why would you want one... they serve no purpose..." should appologize to this person. Everyone has a right to do whatever they want to their car... even if you or I don't agree with it. That's what makes the world go around. Personally, I think a digital dash is neat and would look great in the car. Function vs looks? C'mon. Saying race cars have analog dashes because race cars should have analog... Who here has a DeLorean that can win a race against a Dodge omni turbo? Or any race for that matter? I think very few could. The car wasn't designed to race. Let's appreciate it for what it is and let people do what they want to it. My last .02 ...since I spent the rest fixing up my DeLorean :oþ -----Original Message----- From: jan@vdwouw.demon.nl To: dmcnews@egroups.com Date: Friday, August 06, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards >Boy do I feel guilty: I was the one who asked for some info on a digital dash, but I specifically staed I did NOT want a "nice or not"-discussion... > >About being able to read in your periferal vision: >that's why they've invented (and used) BarGraph-readouts... > >Just like the odometer/tach on KITT (KnightRider), where the RPMs are shown with a bar of leds in different colors. > >Just my 2 cents. > >Jan van de Wouw >Goirle, The Netherlands >Think Different... Use a Mac... Drive a DeLorean > > > <3a494873.24db456-@aol.com> wrote: >original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=2044 >> A simple fact: You can "read" an analog gauge, in your periferal vision >> without actually looking directly at it or taking your eyes off the road. >> You can't do that with a digital! That's the practical side of it. Digital >> gauges do look kinda neat though and are good for "spectator reaction". Your >> choice: FORM or FUNCTION. >> >> Steve > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > > > ------------------------------ message 2077 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2077 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Need4Spd05@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:18:41 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DML Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DML is the best! Anyways what I meant was are there any events that are going to occur in Houston? ------------------------------ message 2078 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2078 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:16:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenhaw Subject: [DML] Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard a disturbing rumor that our beloved DeLorean DMC-12 was actually a concept of General Motors that John DeLorean created while still at GM in the late '60s, early '70s. He then got caught designing this car behind GM's back, resulting in his resigning in '74. They considered the concept, but it was too costly to produce, so they ditched it. Could anyone please clear this up, seeing as this sounds like hearsay, but I am still confused. Much Thanks, Robert ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ message 2079 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2079 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:39:49 -0400 From: Josh Haldeman MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19990806.101640.-65901.2.DeloreanDude@juno.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert, I have heard many a time that the Banshee concept car was what the DeLorean was based on. It was the first car that Bill Collins and John DeLorean worked on together, as I recall. It also had some of the same ideas that were eventually built into the DeLorean. It would seem that DeLorean worked on this while he was at Chevrolet, because it looked like a Corvette of the Mako-Shark body style variety. I have no idea about the political circumstances surrounding the concept's production. I don't know why GM didn't make it, but I'm pretty sure that if they had, it would still be successfully manufactured today. Besides the Vega, it seems like every car DeLorean ever had a hand in at GM was a financial success. Hope that helps a little, Josh VIN 5102 Robert Greenhaw wrote: > I have heard a disturbing rumor that our beloved DeLorean > DMC-12 was actually a concept of General Motors that John > DeLorean created while still at GM in the late '60s, early '70s. > He then got caught designing this car behind GM's back, > resulting in his resigning in '74. > They considered the concept, but it was too costly to > produce, so they ditched it. > > Could anyone please clear this up, seeing as this sounds > like hearsay, but I am still confused. > > Much Thanks, > Robert ------------------------------ message 2080 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2080 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: LovDMC12@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:03:10 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: ECU Module Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The DeLorean's 3 ECU's are located under the parcel shelf behind the seats. I think the idle speed ECU is located behind the driver's seat with the ignition computer. Brian VIN 1597 ------------------------------ message 2081 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2081 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "doctor280" References: <19990806.101640.-65901.2.DeloreanDude@juno.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:26:29 -0400 Subject: [DML] Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have heard a disturbing rumor that our beloved DeLorean > DMC-12 was actually a concept of General Motors that John > DeLorean created while still at GM in the late '60s, early '70s. > He then got caught designing this car behind GM's back, > resulting in his resigning in '74. > They considered the concept, but it was too costly to > produce, so they ditched it. > > Could anyone please clear this up, seeing as this sounds > like hearsay, but I am still confused. > > Much Thanks, > Robert This is my understanding, but it may not be true. When Delorean was leaving GM, he attempted to obtain or purchase the rights, plans and prototype of the the Aerovette. The Aerovette was a wankel powered, rear engine or mid-engine, gullwinged car, that Delorean did work on while at Chevy. The prototype was even painted silver. Now it is my opinion that if Delorean had obtain the rights, plans, and the prototype of this car when he left GM, we all would be driving very diffrent looking Deloreans today. The Delorean that we are driving today had no influence directly from GM. Keep the dream alive and be safe, Robert Starling Vin#5252 ------------------------------ message 2082 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2082 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: IVe099@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:57:22 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: older or newer model Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit newer model has less defects and bugs that were common in the 1981 DMC-12. so, i think you should buy a newer one. or if you can wait for the new DMC-2000 due out next summer, i'd say go for that one, i know i will. ------------------------------ message 2083 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2083 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "SteveDMC" References: <79725baa.24dc4363@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:55:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: dmcnews digest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dude, the hoverboards may not be true but they used a lot more than computer graphics to make those things fly. They used every trick in the book including skateboards, animation artists, moving platforms, and even suspended actors by strings. The concept of the hoverboard is something that will be real in the future. There is one company on the net that has developed a REAL hoverboard that floats on a cusion of air. I apologize to the list and moderators for this message that doesnt have much to do with the D but i feel that BTTF is a verry important film and i was offended by the post that said they just used computers to make the hoverboards fly. I am sure that BTTF is an important movie to many of us DMLers becuase of its exclusive use of DeLoreans. Steve Rice ------------------------------ message 2084 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2084 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "SteveDMC" References: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:59:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: older or newer model Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure everyone on this list would go for the DMC 2000 as well as the origional but i dont think we are gonna see that happen. Where do you get your information? ------------------------------ message 2085 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2085 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Need4Spd05@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:03:56 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: older or newer model Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know what the New model looks like? ------------------------------ message 2086 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2086 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:11:47 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19990806.101640.-65901.2.DeloreanDude@juno.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Robert Greenhaw wrote: > > I have heard a disturbing rumor that our beloved DeLorean > DMC-12 was actually a concept of General Motors that John > DeLorean created while still at GM in the late '60s, early '70s. John DeLorean did not design the DMC-12. Not at GM and not at DMC. DeLorean had a dream, a vision, that did indeed begin before he left GM. His vision was to build a car that COULD compete with the Corvette. His dream was to build a car that WOULD compete with the Corvette. Unfortunately his dream became a nightmare and his vision became clouded. The original model of his vision was the BMW. His vision was poo-pooed by GM because the sort of car he wanted to build would not generate enough volume or meaningful profits. He was too much of a maverick to suit GM top brass. As General Manager of Chevrolet he had a Chevrolet Caprice limousine built for his personal use. When the brass found out about it they ordered the car destroyed. Three years later he left. He was heir apparent to the throne. Pursuing his dream and vision very shortly after he left GM he began a calculated canvass of GM dealers about their enthusiasm for a car that might be built by the man that had already helped make a lot of them rich. This resulted in DeLorean losing any more perks he had coming to him from GM because he had an exit agreement that he wouldn't pursue working for any other car company. That cost him dearly personally. About a year later he persuaded Bill Collins to leave GM and join him in his new project. DeLorean set some design parameters and Collins set about designing a car that would incorporate those parameters. When Collins finished the fundamental design it was time to find someone with the talent and resources to produce the final styling. Working within DeLorean's design parameters and Collins' fundamental design, Ital Design of Turin, Italy headed by Giorgetto Giugiaro produced the first design of the DMC-12 and built the first full scale model that later was turned into the first DMC-12 prototype (not the Fiat X 1/9) built by Kar Kraft of Detroit in 1976. BTW, NONE of the instrument panels design possibilities by Ital Design was digital! Any questions? There's gonna be a pop quiz later. Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) ------------------------------ message 2087 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2087 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:12:35 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/99 12:44:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, haldeman.4@osu.edu writes: << . Besides the Vega, it seems like every car DeLorean ever had a hand in at GM was a financial success. >> Hey,Deloreans Vega was not so bad,I had a Cosworth Vega,and that was one hell of a car,it was the first,with 4 valves per cyl,fuel injection,computer controled engine,twin cams,back then if you wanted something like that you had to buy a Formula one race car. Claude vin#000570 ------------------------------ message 2088 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2088 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "SteveDMC" References: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:14:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: older or newer model Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no new model dude. I don't see why you newbies come on the list with all this false information. All we know is he is working on a design. He doesn't have the financial support, that means we won't be seeing a new D anytime soon. The car is supposed to be plastic, light weight, and fast. The weight and engine information can be found somewhere on the net but I do not recall where i read the information. You might try checking www.bttf.com of using your favorite search engine. ------------------------------ message 2089 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2089 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:25:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Sandro John Di Giacomo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] JZD's autobiography Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just in case anyone is interested, I stopped by Borders last night and placed an order for DeLorean's autobiography (DeLorean, by John Z. DeLorean, 1985)...apparently it's still available from the publisher in the original hardback form, and it's only $9.95, although I'm a bit curious about that price...has anyone purchased it recently, and if so, how much did you pay (if you don't mind my asking)? Thanks! --Sandro ------------------------------ message 2090 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2090 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: LovDMC12@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:30:22 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Was the DeLorean really a GM concept? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Josh, The History Channel had an episode on the Pontiac Firebird that mentions the Banshee. GM killed the project because they didn't want a competitor for the Corvette coming from inside GM. The current Firebird is said to be very similar to the Banshee. Brian VIN 1597 ------------------------------ message 2091 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2091 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: DMC5524@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:35:07 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Digital Dashboards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/99 8:00:48 AM Central Daylight Time, BurkePhoto@aol.com writes: << All pro racers know for functionality, reliability and readability, nothing beats white on black analog instrumentation. >> It's funny you should mention this color combo. On most new performance cars I have looked at recently, from the Mustang to a BMW, I have seen the exact opposite. All the gauges have white backgrounds. I am not sure of the logic behind this but I don't think it is very appealing. However, as has been said previously, none have digital dashes. Each style is probably just a fad of the times. Dave 1981 DeLorean VIN 5524 ------------------------------ message 2092 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2092 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:50:47 -0400 From: David Sontos MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37A8895D.4B21DEC@megalink.net> <37A90B45.6234@wco.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Fascia paint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ben, Check the archives for information on painting, I repainted mine myself. Had a quote from the local Corvette shop for over $400. Dave Sontos VIN 02573 Ben Krasnow wrote: > Both the front and rear "fascias" (bumpers) on my car are starting to > fade, and the paint is coming apart on the horizontal surfaces. I have > a DAU paint code to match the original color, however the guy at the > auto paint store said I would need plastic primers, flexibilizers, > stabilizers, etc in addition to the paint itself. The total would be > about $240 for just the materials. Then I would have to borrow a paint > gun, and try to do the job myself. It doesn't sound like a good > project. How have other people dealt with fading paint? Would an auto > body shop strip, prime and paint them, if I took the bumpers off the > car? Has anyone had any experience with sending the fascias out to be > painted? Where? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2093 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2093 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:53:54 +0000 From: "darryl@techline.com" Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: modified interior; wheels Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Claude wrote: "Could it be possibly the Delorean ,with the Delorean nosed tag along trailer,featured in the Delorean World issue Summer of 1990 page 18,that had a custom "Brown" interior." NO. That car has a maroon interior, and still resides with its original owner in Brier, WA. (The trailer is now in Bellevue, WA.). That very unique and pristine car is for sale, by the way. Also, I have lots of new gray wheels for sale, $150 each plus shipping. Darryl Tinnerstet McCleary, WA PH: 360-495-4640 ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- View the full archives, subscribe/unsubscribe, use the group calendar at http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews Manage your subscriptions at http://eGroups.com Free e-mail groups by eGroups.com. 
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