From: eGroups Digest [dmcnews@egroups.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:09 PM To: David.Swingle Subject: dmcnews digest eGroups Daily Digest: dmcnews has 29 new messages. Click here http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2008 to read them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2008. ReLiQUarY Re: DMC KITS? 2009. Macstacker@aol.com Re: Oldsmobile 307 Engine in a D? 2010. Gerald Deutsch Re: Refurbished and machined wheels (was wheels) 2011. Sean Jones Re: Oldsmobile 307 Engine in a D? 2012. Donald Kazmark interior modifications? 2013. Mike Substelny ADMIN NOTE: Commercial Clarification 2015. Alex Wolf-Internet Solutions Engine Cost 2016. Donovan Pittman Re:#869 for sale 2017. Watkins Family Angle Drive Lubrication 2018. Lee Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2019. CBL302@aol.com Re: interior modifications? 2020. mdeluca@comtechpst.com Re: Engine Cost 2021. DeLorean31@aol.com Re: ADMIN NOTE: Commercial Clarification 2022. SteveDMC Re: Engine Cost 2023. JCox4001@aol.com Commercialism or not 2024. Marc Barth Re: Oldsmobile 307 Engine in a D? 2025. Ray Haug Re: Millennium: The DeLorean Motor Company Conco 2026. Ben Krasnow Fascia paint 2027. orentha@hotmail.com Northstar V8 2028. Marc A Levy Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2029. Marc A Levy Re: Engine Cost 2030. Sean Jones Re: Northstar V8 2031. delorean502@excite.com Re: DMC KITS? 2032. Jus4sho@aol.com Re: Northstar V8 2033. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2034. raddad@cmn.net Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2035. John C. Gottstein Re: DMC KITS? 2036. Marc A Levy Re: Commercial Posting Policy 2037. Marc A Levy Speaker Box Update ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 2008 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2008 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: ReLiQUarY MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DMC KITS? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much do these kits cost? -PB === ----------- ----------- ------------ |_______ | | || || | | ________| _______| | | || || | | |________ | | | || || | | | ----------- --- --- --- ------------ _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ message 2009 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2009 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Macstacker@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:11:10 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Oldsmobile 307 Engine in a D? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not try looking into the lightwieght 4 cylinder from misubishi eclibse/eagle talon. these engines under their turbos would put out from 195HP in earlier cars to 210 in the newer cars powered by the 2.0 liter neon engine. And as anyone knows these little pocket rockets were great for modding out. Personally ive driven Talons modded to 270HP dyno tested. And the best thing of all, these cars were produced by the thousands and theres gonna be plenty of remanufactured engines available, or from a wrecked car. This wouldnt make the D as fast as the mitsu, but id love to see a D with a 210HP four-banger smoke one of those oh-so ridiculous integras. Dan 90 Cutlass Supreame FE3 No D yet ------------------------------ message 2010 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2010 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Gerald Deutsch" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:20:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Refurbished and machined wheels (was wheels) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was my understanding that commercial advertisements weren't allowed on the list... If that is true, is Mr. Espey the only one excluded because he created the list? Or are advertisements allowed now? I am very confused. Moderator, please clarify for all members of the list, because this post from Mr. Espey looks like an advertisement to me. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: James Espey To: dmcnews@egroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: [DML] Re: Refurbished and machined wheels (was wheels) >At 6:09 PM -0500 8/3/99, Michael Babb wrote: >>does anybody have a set of used or new wheels? not the tires, just the >>silver/gray wheels. > >>You may want to check out the DMC-Houston website. I believe that you >>can >send in your old wheels to be refinished......... James....Don't >>see the >link anymore, can you give is some info? Michael Babb vin 3472 >>michael.babb@mindspring.com > >At the risk of sounding "commercial" - here is the URL for the wheels we carry: > >http://www.usadmc.com/catalog/wheelsetc.html > >James Espey >DeLorean Motor Company >Houston, Texas > >281/568-9573 >800/USA-DMC1 >http://www.usadmc.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com > > > ------------------------------ message 2011 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2011 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:42:53 -0400 From: Sean Jones MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: [DML] Re: Oldsmobile 307 Engine in a D? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I used to own a 93 laser, and the thing flew. I didn't have the tsi turbo with the 2.0 dohc motor but a friend did. The girls literly flew. There are tons of people who devote alot of time to make there cars go fast. Go to www.dsm.org to learn a little more about the cars and there engines. - Shain Macstacker@aol.com wrote: > Why not try looking into the lightwieght 4 cylinder from misubishi > eclibse/eagle talon. these engines under their turbos would put out from > 195HP in earlier cars to 210 in the newer cars powered by the 2.0 liter neon > engine. And as anyone knows these little pocket rockets were great for > modding out. Personally ive driven Talons modded to 270HP dyno tested. And > the best thing of all, these cars were produced by the thousands and theres > gonna be plenty of remanufactured engines available, or from a wrecked car. > This wouldnt make the D as fast as the mitsu, but id love to see a D with a > 210HP four-banger smoke one of those oh-so ridiculous integras. > > Dan > 90 Cutlass Supreame FE3 > No D yet > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2012 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2012 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:39:12 -0400 From: Donald Kazmark Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] interior modifications? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember riding my bike up to PJ Grady's about 4 years ago (i still drive past everyday in my del sol dreaming of when i'll get my own) and seeing a D getting worked on that had a real nice tan interior. Obviously it wasn't a protype car so it had to of been done custom......I personally think that it enhanced the look 10 fold and gave it a very classy look. It was a long time ago so i can't remember if the actual interior was just the normal design only with tan leather substituted or if it was a total custom job. Does anyone know who's car this could have been or any other comments on changing the interior colors? Donald Kazmark .......soon.....soon ------------------------------ message 2013 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2013 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:05:19 -0400 From: Mike Substelny MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] ADMIN NOTE: Commercial Clarification Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerald Deutsch asked: > It was my understanding that commercial advertisements > weren't allowed on the list... If that is true, is Mr. Espey > the only one excluded because he created the list? Or > are advertisements allowed now? I am very confused. > Moderator, please clarify for all members of the list, > because this post from Mr. Espey looks like an advertisement > to me. Thank you. I allowed the post from Mr. Espey because it was a direct answer to subscriber Mike Babb's question as well as valuable information for the thread. If a subscriber asks about TankZilla and Rob Grady answers with the URL of his website, I will certainly allow that, too. The Moderation Team gave this guideline on Monday: There's a line between "yes, that part's available," and "Sale! Sale! Sale!" Unless someone has a new insight into this policy we consider the issue settled. Our generic answer to all those comments will be to refer back to that guideline. - Mike Substelny This week's DML Moderator ------------------------------ message 2015 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2015 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Alex Wolf-Internet Solutions Worldwide" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:55:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Engine Cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone tell me approximately what it costs to put a completely new engine in a D? Im considering purchasing one, however it has a "small overheating problem" I have already been informed on the seriousness of this "small" problem. Anu feedback and comments will be well appreciated. Alex Wolf VIN# 000000iwish ------------------------------ message 2016 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2016 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Donovan Pittman" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:21:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re:#869 for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Black interior Excellent Condition $18,000 five speed just had it inspected 40,000 miles 8000 grand in receipts for updates and maintenance Call Donovan at 800 775-5307 or DPittman@seattlemortgage.com car is located in Seattle, WA ------------------------------ message 2017 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2017 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:41:33 -0400 From: Watkins Family MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Angle Drive Lubrication Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's time I lubed my angle drive for the first time since getting my car and I wanted to know if the NGLI #2 Wheel bearing lubricant I bought is a better choice than using the aerosol can of white lithium grease with the small red tube that sticks in the end of the aerosol tip? I've read a post about a fellow who feels that the lithium stuff is better but I have the special lube gun from Delorean Motor Center for the job. Any opinions? Thanks Tom #5732 ------------------------------ message 2018 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2018 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:25:41 -0700 From: Lee In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990803205046.008502a0@ezl.com> References: <199908031306_MC2-7F8E-2BC4@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 08:50 PM 8/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >At 01:06 PM 8/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >> >>Gentlemen this in my opinion sucks...... I prefer not to comment specificly >>but will keep my thoughts private so as not to upset anyone. >>John Hanley >>VIN16369 > >Why?? I think polite discussion is good. Let us know why you feel this way. > >Personally I agree whole heartedly with the message as written. It seemed >to have enough leeway to allow for someone from one of the parts suppliers >to post to say "We have those!", or to post a Web address for a sale and >things like that. Yet it keeps the list essentially non-commercial. I've >been on a list that turned into free advertising for one or two people. >Enough posts that it was difficult wading through them to get to the good >stuff. Finally the list died as people decided it was too much work. I >personally think the moderators are doing a great job and I fully support >their decision to limit commercial postings. > >Mark N >VIN 6820 reply: I sure that it was not my post that started this again. I can assure the List members and host that the kits and keys are any thing but commercial let alone profitable. If my post is causing trouble I would be glad to attempt just posting in private to the Edition owners. As I posted I do still have a few kits left I take it if commercial messages are barred (which is OK by me) then interested DMC owners could try the DMC Bulletin Board, if it's OK to mention the DMC Bulletin board? I trust this falls in the "polite discussion" cat-a-gorey! Lee ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ Radiance Software Int. Leader in VRML Authoring software Over 200,000 copies distributed EMMY Winner Best Technical Achievement (computer generated effects) 1726 Francisco Street Berkeley CA. 94703 1-510-649-9118 lseiler@radiance.com http://www.radiance.com offices: California, Florida, Tokyo Jp. ------------------------------ message 2019 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2019 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: CBL302@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:22:21 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: interior modifications? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/99 1:10:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, donald.kazmark@peri.com writes: << remember riding my bike up to PJ Grady's about 4 years ago (i still drive past everyday in my del sol dreaming of when i'll get my own) and seeing a D getting worked on that had a real nice tan interior. Obviously it wasn't a prototype car so it had to of been done custom......I personally think that it enhanced the look 10 fold and gave it a very classy look. It was a long time ago >> Could it be possibly the Delorean ,with the Delorean nosed tag along trailer,featured in the Delorean World issue Summer of 1990 page 18,that had a custom "Brown" interior. Claude Vin#010554 ------------------------------ message 2020 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2020 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:25:04 -0700 From: mdeluca@comtechpst.com In-Reply-To: Subject: [DML] Re: Engine Cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=2015 > Could someone tell me approximately what it costs to put a completely new > engine in a D? Im considering purchasing one, however it has a "small > overheating problem" I have already been informed on the seriousness of this > "small" problem. Anu feedback and comments will be well appreciated. > > Alex Wolf > VIN# 000000iwish > I had Rob Grady look at a car for me in May and he told me it needed a motor and that it would cost me about $6k just for that and then the rest of the work would be...thus he saved me from buying a beater. So based on that I would say $6k is in the ball park for a motor. After almost buying that car I now have the feeling if a car needs a motor it probably needs a whole lot more also and I would be very carfull about a project car like that. It is very easy to get seduced by a low price but it will cost you in the long run. FYI there is a red Deloran in my local paper for $5,500 (NEWSDAY). I was tempted to call but I bet the car isn't worth buying unless you wanted to go through the trouble of parting it out. Mike D. vin 3113 NY Lic DLORIANN ------------------------------ message 2021 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2021 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: DeLorean31@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:35:12 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: ADMIN NOTE: Commercial Clarification Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/99 1:42:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, msubstel@lorainccc.edu writes: << Gerald Deutsch asked: > It was my understanding that commercial advertisements > weren't allowed on the list... If that is true, is Mr. Espey > the only one excluded because he created the list? Or > are advertisements allowed now? I am very confused. > Moderator, please clarify for all members of the list, > because this post from Mr. Espey looks like an advertisement > to me. Thank you. I allowed the post from Mr. Espey because it was a direct answer to subscriber Mike Babb's question as well as valuable information for the thread. If a subscriber asks about TankZilla and Rob Grady answers with the URL of his website, I will certainly allow that, too. The Moderation Team gave this guideline on Monday: There's a line between "yes, that part's available," and "Sale! Sale! Sale!" Unless someone has a new insight into this policy we consider the issue settled. Our generic answer to all those comments will be to refer back to that guideline. >> This is good to know I guess the DML policy has indeed changed. I know that in the past when list members asked about certain parts, other parts suppliers such as an employee from PJ Grady responded with a post simply stating that they had that part available. His post was rejected. Perhaps we should let the other suppliers know they can post updates and inform the list of parts they have when an item is asked for on the DML. I think its good that this type of posting is now allowed, but since this policy is indeed different than past practice lets make sure all the major parts suppliers are aware of it. They probably dont have employees following the DML postings as closely as some others. In my experience PJ Grady, DMC Houston and DeLorean Motor Center have all been extremely helpful to myself as a DeLorean owner as I am sure there are others that are as well. Gary Gore Activites Director DeLorean Mid Atlantic ------------------------------ message 2022 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2022 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "SteveDMC" References: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:02:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Engine Cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe it costs about $5k to replace a D engine. Someone please correct me if i am wrong. ------------------------------ message 2023 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2023 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: JCox4001@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:09:33 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Commercialism or not Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear DML'ers, I am saddened to see a topic like this get ugly. I personally cherish ANY information that I can get my hands on concerning my DeLorean Automobile. I do, however, agree with the position of the moderators. This list has been my single best source for finding answers, as well as being instrumental in making some new friends. If I was James Espey or DMCJoe, Rob Grady, Steven Wynne, and others that have GIVEN so much, so freely, to all of us, I would be very offended. Having done business with most of these fellows, I am satisified that they have no intention of prostituting this list, but I will tell you this, I hope they never throw up their arms, and say "to heck with it!" We would all be in a world of hurt. My two cents, Jeff ------------------------------ message 2024 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2024 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Marc Barth" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:17:50 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Oldsmobile 307 Engine in a D? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Turbocharged rotaries put out 255HP and the turbo MR2 engine put out 200 HP. The MR2 was even mid engine so it's possible that the swap would be slightly easier. Either one of these would be an ideal choice over a cast iron small block. Both of these engines also have an abundance of CARB legal parts so you can upgrade to even more power if you desire. Marc >From: Macstacker@aol.com >Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com >To: dmcnews@egroups.com >Subject: [DML] Re: Oldsmobile 307 Engine in a D? >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:11:10 EDT > >Why not try looking into the lightwieght 4 cylinder from misubishi >eclibse/eagle talon. these engines under their turbos would put out from >195HP in earlier cars to 210 in the newer cars powered by the 2.0 liter >neon >engine. And as anyone knows these little pocket rockets were great for >modding out. Personally ive driven Talons modded to 270HP dyno tested. >And >the best thing of all, these cars were produced by the thousands and theres >gonna be plenty of remanufactured engines available, or from a wrecked car. >This wouldnt make the D as fast as the mitsu, but id love to see a D with a >210HP four-banger smoke one of those oh-so ridiculous integras. > > >Dan >90 Cutlass Supreame FE3 >No D yet > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address >moderator@dmcnews.com > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ message 2025 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2025 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:40:53 -0500 From: Ray Haug In-Reply-To: <928879b6.24d9a291@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Millennium: The DeLorean Motor Company Concours Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Registration forms and more information regarding DeLorean Expo'99 - Oktoberfest and the Millennium Concours are available at the following URLs: http://www.delorean-owners.org/events/99expo.html http://www.delorean-owners.org/events/99exporeg.html Southwest has REAL SPECIAL AIRFARES to St. Louis until August 5 for those of you unable to drive your DeLorean to St. Louis. Check them out at: http://www.delorean-owners.org/events/99expo4.html Ray Haug Internet Director DeLorean Owners Association At 10:05 AM 8/4/99 EDT, you wrote: >>>> In conjunction with the DeLorean Owners Association Expo in St. Louis, Missouri, DeLorean Motor Company has organized and is hosting Millennium, a concours and carshow to be held October 9, 1999 at the Regal Riverfront Hotel. A proper concours judges automobiles on originality, correctness, and attention to detail. In this regard, Millenium: The DeLorean Motor Company Concours will be unlike any other DeLorean show or concours ever organized. Using documentation from the original DeLorean Motor Company, there truly will be no more prestigious event than Millennium. Only five cars will be accepted per class, and all potential entries will be pre-qualified to ensure that only the highest caliber DeLoreans are participants in this event. The classes are as follows: 1981, or DeLoreans with VIN's ending BDXXXXXX 1982, or DeLoreans with VIN's ending CDXXXXXX 1983, or DeLoreans with VIN's ending CDXXXXXX People's Choice, for non-stock or modified DeLoreans, all years Millennium Award, for previous winners of a DeLorean Owners Association concours. Registration is open to any DeLorean owner, regardless of club affiliation. To apply for entry into the most prestigious of DeLorean events, contact John Truscott at the DeLorean Owners Association, (805) 964-5296. <<<<<<<< ------------------------------ message 2026 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2026 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:55:49 -0700 From: Ben Krasnow MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <37A8895D.4B21DEC@megalink.net> Subject: [DML] Fascia paint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both the front and rear "fascias" (bumpers) on my car are starting to fade, and the paint is coming apart on the horizontal surfaces. I have a DAU paint code to match the original color, however the guy at the auto paint store said I would need plastic primers, flexibilizers, stabilizers, etc in addition to the paint itself. The total would be about $240 for just the materials. Then I would have to borrow a paint gun, and try to do the job myself. It doesn't sound like a good project. How have other people dealt with fading paint? Would an auto body shop strip, prime and paint them, if I took the bumpers off the car? Has anyone had any experience with sending the fascias out to be painted? Where? ------------------------------ message 2027 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2027 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:00:50 -0700 From: orentha@hotmail.com Subject: [DML] Northstar V8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone's looking for power in your D, my buddy's dad owns a Cadillac dealership and was telling me that a Cadillac Northstar V8 would fit perfectly in the delorean. Northstar's are very good engines and have ALOT of power, I don't know the exact specs on it but I think it's around 300 HP (i think). and they can be easily modified to get well over 400 HP. So if your looking for power , i would recommend the Northstar. I eventually plan to put one in my d just my thoughts, jim vin15314 ------------------------------ message 2028 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2028 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:17:07 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199908040945_MC2-7FBD-765F@compuserve.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes... It would be difficult to post a message disagreeing with the moderators. I wonder why it is not clear to the rest of the list. It looks to me like the commercial posting policy is selective depending on who the poster is. I suspect you have the same issue. It would seem to me that the DML moderators has a cozy deal with DMC Houston. John Hanley wrote: > > Message text written by INTERNET:dmcnews@egroups.com > > Mark N > VIN 6820writes.... > >Why?? I think polite discussion is good. Let us know why you feel this > way.< > > I repeat.......I prefer not to comment specificly but will keep my thoughts > private so as not to upset anyone. > > I have had several Private Mails however that whole heartedly agree with > myself and the next thing i think that will happen will be this thread on > Commercial Posting Policy will be cut........ > > Regards > John Hanley 16369 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2029 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2029 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:09:12 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: [DML] Re: Engine Cost Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless the car has overheated enough to cause damage, then this may not be a major problem. Overheating is common on the DeLorean because of the setup of the cooling system. If it is properly serviced, then the problem should go away. There are methods of checking to see if any damage has been done to the engine due to overheating, you may want to investigate this. Of course, if the seller is asking for a number on the high end, then it is not worth the time or effort to check in to it if for the same or a bit more money you can get a DeLorean with a better history. If you decide not to purchase this vehicle, please post information on it. There may be members on the list looking for project cars, including me. Alex Wolf-Internet Solutions Worldwide wrote: > > Could someone tell me approximately what it costs to put a completely new > engine in a D? Im considering purchasing one, however it has a "small > overheating problem" I have already been informed on the seriousness of this > "small" problem. Anu feedback and comments will be well appreciated. > > Alex Wolf > VIN# 000000iwish > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2030 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2030 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:13:56 -0400 From: Sean Jones MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7ob9ai$31nj@eGroups.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Northstar V8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, A northstar system does have alot of power. But also requires a northstar transmission for it to work. So you would have to adapt a motor and transmission. To get both your looking at around $5k and if you have a standard, your looking at now owning a auto. - Shain orentha@hotmail.com wrote: > If anyone's looking for power in your D, my buddy's dad owns a Cadillac > dealership and was telling me that a Cadillac Northstar V8 would fit > perfectly in the delorean. Northstar's are very good engines and have > ALOT of power, I don't know the exact specs on it but I think it's > around 300 HP (i think). and they can be easily modified to get well > over 400 HP. So if your looking for power , i would recommend the > Northstar. I eventually plan to put one in my d > just my thoughts, > jim > vin15314 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address moderator@dmcnews.com ------------------------------ message 2031 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2031 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 07:03:38 -0700 From: delorean502@excite.com In-Reply-To: <19990804152750.7615.rocketmail@send501.yahoomail.com> Subject: [DML] Re: DMC KITS? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'll sell you mine. e-mail me directly for any questions. erik geerdink vin 4512 plates: EGGS D ------------------------------ message 2032 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2032 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Jus4sho@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:14:17 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Northstar V8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In response to the comment about the Northstar transmission: You would not want the northstar transmission. The motor sits in front of the transmission, which would not work in the D. Perhaps the northstar could be mounted in a longitudinal manner and mated (via adapter plate) with a Porsche tranny. I don't know the length of the Northstar to know if this would fit either. None of these are cheap options, but if such an interesting combination were, everyone would have them! I'd really be interested in the Mazda rotary conversion. Anyone doing or seriously considering this? Also, does anyone know the weights of a complete, stock D motor vs. the rotary? Steve ------------------------------ message 2033 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2033 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:28:59 -0400 From: Ann & Ed Thompson MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199908040945_MC2-7FBD-765F@compuserve.com> <37A980C3.E24BA3BD@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marc A Levy wrote: > > It looks to me like the commercial posting policy is selective depending > on who the poster is. I don't understand all the hullabaloo surrounding this issue. It appears to me that the moderator's position is perfectly clear. Please correct me if I am wrong, but here's how I see it. 1.) It is perfectly okay for any parts or service supplier to respond to a request posted on the DML for help in locating specific parts or service. I see absolutely NO problem with this at all. As a DeLorean owner I would insist that the moderators allow such postings. That's a MAJOR reason why I'm a DML'er in the first place. For example, I recently posted a response to a thread about lower control arms. I said there was a set on eBay. I was not advertising for or about eBay in any manner or stretch of someone's twisted imagination. It was simply a pointer. 2.) It is NOT okay for a parts or service supplier, or anyone else for that matter, to post an unsolicited commercial ad that is in no way in response to a specific request for help. I suppose we need to further define "commercial" here as being "for profit" as opposed to a private individual offering for sale personal property that may be of interest to the DML community. Additionally, the commercial suppliers do not need to advertise on the DML. There is an abundance of links to all sorts of suppliers of DeLorean parts and service available to any savvy enthusiast. This seems crystal clear and simple to me. Where are the clouds? I DO NOT believe for a moment that the moderators are in bed with the likes of James Espey or DMC Joe and their respective commercial operations. Both have contributed greatly to the success of the DML and I shudder to think where the DML would be without them, albeit that James was the founder. BTW, the DML is one of the most successful of all eGroups, thanks in no small part to Espey. I also shudder to think where the DML would be without the likes of the current moderators and, of course, MOM. Their unselfish, unpaid, and often unappreciated efforts must be recognized for what they are, not for what they are not. Please folks, let's get off this "commercial posting policy" soap box and get a life. Personally, I cast a vote for getting on with business as usual and for putting this petty bickering behind us. Regards, Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) Midlothian, VA ------------------------------ message 2034 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2034 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:03:17 -0600 (MDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having been a DeLorean owner for 17 years, let me say that Lee's efforts have added to the marque in ways that only an devoted supporter of the marque can. I purchased the keys and the kit. It was obvious that these were labors of love. No, Lee, I persoanlly think you have never abused the list and I hope that if you get that company sold and go into retirement you can come up with a bunch of other goodies for us. Dick Ryan ------------------------------ message 2035 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2035 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "John C. Gottstein" References: <7oc5jq$jvmq@eGroups.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:43:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DMC KITS? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone else has the DeLorean model, I would like one, too. Thanks, John > i'll sell you mine. e-mail me directly for any questions. > > erik geerdink > vin 4512 > plates: EGGS D ------------------------------ message 2036 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2036 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:03:57 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199908040945_MC2-7FBD-765F@compuserve.com> <37A980C3.E24BA3BD@dnrc.bell-labs.com> <37A99FAB.CDF6E2EE@erols.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Commercial Posting Policy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ann & Ed Thompson wrote: > I don't understand all the hullabaloo surrounding this issue. It appears to > me that the moderator's position is perfectly clear. Please correct me if > I am wrong, but here's how I see it. Yes, the moderators position has been made clear. My message was in response to the confusion created by John Hanley's message. Honestly, my intention was to send that message only to John, but somehow I must have hit the wrong button on my mailer. My OPINION on the issue was stated. In all my years as a member of the DML, there have been many private e-mail messages passed around that would convince me that a posting of a negative opinion to the DML could lead to undesirable results. Because of that last message, I have already (by mistake) taken the plunge... I guess I should still be reserved though because of the possibility of repercussion. > This seems crystal clear and simple to me. Where are the clouds? I DO NOT > believe for a moment that the moderators are in bed with the likes of James Espey > or DMC Joe and their respective commercial operations. Both have contributed > greatly to the success of the DML and I shudder to think where the DML would > be without them, albeit that James was the founder. BTW, the DML is one of the > most successful of all eGroups, thanks in no small part to Espey. I also shudder > to think where the DML would be without the likes of the current moderators and, > of course, MOM. Their unselfish, unpaid, and often unappreciated efforts must > be recognized for what they are, not for what they are not. I did not say I had a problem with DMC Houston, DMC Joe, or any commercial postings. I just find it odd that I know PJGrady, and other commercial DMC suppliers are on the list yet I never see any postings from them. IMHO DMC Joe is the complete opposite of DMC Houston's participation on the list. Without any research in to it my feeling is that most of DMC Joe's messages are "This is how to fix that problem" where DMC Houston is "You can buy that part from us". We can all tell the difference. I hardly consider DMC Joe's participation in the list to be commercial. Both add value to the DMC community, I have benefited from Stephen and James posting "we have that" along with DMC Joe's technical contributions, and I hope to continue to have a good relationship with both. Personal conversations have revealed that in the past postings have been rejected because they were commercial or should be sent privately from specific commercial posters. This is past history, I can only hope this will change in the future. As customers of Delorean service centers, we should notify PJ Grady, Delorean Motor Center, D1, and any others I may have forgotten that they are now welcome on the DML as participants, and not lurkers. I agree that James Espey has played a key role in the success of the DML, but lets not act like running a mailing list is rocket science. I stand by my past comments (over the past few years) that James had put many hours of time in to moderating the list and for the most part did a good job. BUT, Lets also not pretend that there are no perks to being in such a position... After all, He now works for DMC Houston. Would he have this job if it were not for the DML? > Please folks, let's get off this "commercial posting policy" soap box and get > a life. Personally, I cast a vote for getting on with business as usual and > for putting this petty bickering behind us. Ed, I dont know you and have no personal gripe with you... With that said, if you really wanted this to drop, you would not have posted your response. I am glad you said "Let's" because you have correctly included yourself in the "get a life" comment... This is a good conversation, and I disagree with "get a life" for both you and me, I see this as a flame and dont know why the moderators allowed it. I would like to see the issue "resolved" and not just get on with business as usual. From where I sit, the new moderators are also doing a good job considering the work involved with the maintenance of such a list, and with time they will improve and become more consistent. I was happy to see the clarification message eairlier this week, now time will tell how fairly it is executed. I would propose we try to limit the bickering in order to wait and see the results of this new (or clarified) policy. The list is much more productive without it. Yes, with the above message I am also guilty of bickering.. I guess that makes me a bickerer (Is that a word? My spell check says NO!). ------------------------------ message 2037 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=2037 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:43:16 -0400 From: Marc A Levy MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Speaker Box Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As some of you know, I have been working on a subwoofer box for the back shelf of the D. This past weekend, I was able to assemble the box, and take some accurate measurements, if anyone wants to try to reproduce it. For the audio enthusiast: The box is a "wedge" shape, and using the wedge speaker formulas, the internal air volume is about .9FT^3 Using geometry formulas, I calculate the volume to be .822FT^3 Close enuff! Because the front of the wedge ended up to be about 10 inches (smaller than I would have liked) it will be risky to put a 10 inch woofer in there. If you recall, my plan was to use a sealed enclosure with some 10 inch Kicker solobaric woofers (EXPENSIVE!) With the results as they are now, I will use a high power 8 inch woofer in a 4th order vented box. Although this will not be as "tight", it will be more efficient and have a lower resonant frequency (about 33Hz). It should not sound as "boomy" as the bandpass enclosures that most of the obnoxious "thumper" cars have in them. I have looked at a number of drivers, and the MTX BTLB4 looks like a good candidate. According to their web site, this will work well in a box of my size with a 2X7.75 port. I have no prices on them yet. If anyone is interested in progress pictures, of drawings to try and duplicate it, please contact me directly. I hope to have it complete in the next month. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- View the full archives, subscribe/unsubscribe, use the group calendar at http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews Manage your subscriptions at http://eGroups.com Free e-mail groups by eGroups.com. 
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