From: eGroups Digest [dmcnews@egroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 3:39 PM To: David.Swingle Subject: dmcnews digest eGroups Daily Digest: dmcnews has 4 new messages. Click here http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1878 to read them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1878. Gussob@aol.com Possible D cleaner 1879. Fedeli, Joe DeLorean snow driving 1880. Robert Brandys Re: A/C Recharge Cost? 1881. Jeff Wiltzius It was the best of times...(long!) ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ message 1878 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1878 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Gussob@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:57:54 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Possible D cleaner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. While working my horrible night job @ McDonald's, it occurred to me that when they close the store, they use a special cleaner for stainless steel counter tops. I'm going to investigate further as to how it reacts to water, but it shines it up pretty well. Plus, if there are any fingerprints, you can just wipe the print off w/ a rag. So far the only problem I see is that the bottle says it's a silicone based product. I got the manufacturer's # and address, so I'm going to contact them to see if they would sell me some. I don't have a D yet, but I'm just trying to help. Any questions, email me. Thanks.... Dave L. Providence, RI VIN- I WANT A D!!! ------------------------------ message 1879 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1879 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Fedeli, Joe" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:16:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DeLorean snow driving Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kayo Ong, Coming from New York, you should get LOTS of experience in regards to the opportunity of driving in snow conditions! Each individual (driver) has unique abilities in driving, and snow driving can be difficult depending on an individual's personal driving ability and experience. I've driven mine MANY times in various snow conditions and have found it very stable in most snow conditions when comparing other rear drive vehicles with the same 'type' of non-snow tire being used for traction. Again, my 'performance' is compare to other rear wheel drive cars I have driven and their individual capabilities in the snow without specific snow dedicated tires on the car. The DeLorean has a lot of rear weight and good 'traction' compare to many other similarity comparable non-snow tired rear wheel drive autos. The compression of snow allowing for rear wheel traction is good compared to other cars. If your concerns are to improve the capabilities of traction of your DeLorean in the snow, I would highly recommend purchasing four snow tires and installing studs on all four wheels for increased traction. You might want to also increase the tire surface area by going to a physically larger tire size if you do not want to purchase snow tires from original installed DeLorean equipment. I went to a different tire size and found the overall performance increased dramatically! Again, remember, each car made and axle drive layout has different handling characteristics. By installing four snow tires with studs, this will increases traction performance in some areas, especially icing conditions, but will dramatically decrease performance in other areas. Some of that performance profile depends on overall car weight, wheel base, width, and height along with wheel drive configuration (independent vs. posi-traction vs. four wheel full time vs. RWD/FWD, etc.). The point is usually finding the 'balance' for general overall use or to dedicate your tire configuration to the unique application you want performance in at that specific time (e.g. rain traction or street performance). One disadvantage I personally noted and would forewarn other potential DeLorean drivers about driving in the snow is the following: do NOT try to do it! Point #1: Many states use rock salt and the 'spray' gets all over the car into all sorts of areas and can rot out the various steel un-coated metal surfaces. (My car needed 'repair' by sanding/pealing the various coatings off of the undercarriage that the salt damage caused and worked it's way under many small openings in the coated surfaces. It started to cause a 'cancer like' metal deterioration.). If you do drive in the snow, hose the entire car off especially the undercarriage VERY WELL!!!!! This can NOT be emphasized enough!!!! Point #2: You could purchase those generic chains for the tires, but they always seem to break and hit the wheel well and fender areas. Point #3: The other guy driving in the snow will miss all the other cars on the road and hit you in the DeLorean only! Do you really need the repair/insurance hassles? Just my experience and not intended as a criticism. The best answer is to drive the 'beater' car in the snow. Good luck on your snow driving and let me know of your opinion! ------------------------------ message 1880 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1880 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:58:58 +0000 From: Robert Brandys MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00a901bec9f8$2a5c0a60$230cb4cf@comptrol.ici.net> Subject: [DML] Re: A/C Recharge Cost? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You got a bargin. One pound of R-12 is $60 here. Bob ------------------------------ message 1881 ------------------------------ http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews/?start=1881 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:07:53 -0500 From: Jeff Wiltzius Subject: [DML] It was the best of times...(long!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and the worst of times! Hello fellow list readers- thought I'd trouble you again for some suggestions and relate my story from last night. I unfortunately discovered 3 new problems yesterday- after getting 1 fixed! Oh boy- this car is a lot of work isn't it, but it is worth it. Anyway- after getting my brake squeel tamed (at least for now) I picked up my car from the mechanic's where it had been sitting out in the sun all day. Jumped in and started it up but could NOT move the stick into 1st or 2nd gear! Puzzled, I wiggled the stick through 3rd, 4th, and 5th and even R just fine but could not get the stick over to 1st and 2nd. Still more puzzled and a little frantic, I continued to try to massage the stick into gear and FINALLY, after a few minutes it slipped into 1st. Relieved, I pulled out and drove the car home with NO further problems. After letting the car cool down (I figured the heat had gotten to my plastic clutch cable) I thought I'd see if it behaved fine. No big deal- I was planning on getting a steel clutch cable soon anyway. So I took the car out at night and it behaved the same way- except even worse! Can always get it easily into anything except 1st and 2nd gear. Once you get the car into 1st- it will easily slide into 2nd. And if you drive the car only in 1st and 2nd I don't think I'd run into the problem. When you move over to 3rd and up and then try to get back over to the left on the stick- it's like running into a wall! The stick just will NOT move. This is very frustrating. One other tidbit that may help someone in offering me suggestions I can pass on to my mechanic: at one point I was frantic (approaching a red light) and used a little extra force to move the stick to the left- and it MOVED! However, although I could now move the stick to where 1st and 2nd gear should be- all I received in return was a HORRIBLE grinding noise from the transmission. So I could move the stick to 1st and 2nd, but even with the clutch fully depressed- grinding was all I got. What a horrible noise coming from such a beautiful car! To make the night even worse- I noticed my fuel guage is now acting strange (time for a tankzilla upgrade) AND my key doesn't turn in the ignition very easily (insert key fine but it won't turn without a lot of wiggling). The ignition has always been touchy though... So what helped balance all of this out a little?- well when I was limping around with my car that wouldn't shift into 1st and 2nd gears, with a gas guage that read empty even though I had around a quarter of a tank, I pulled into a gas station (thought I might as well fill it up anyway). I was approached by one person who asked about the car and offered me a job with an internet company (must have thought only hard-working, computer savvy people drive DeLoreans) and another gentleman pulled into the gas station while I was filling up, parked his car in the middle of the parking lot, jumped out and came running towards my car. After asking the obligatory 'what kind of car is that?!?!?' He realized what he was looking at and jumped up and down and said 'Back the Future car!!! Do the doors open like in the movie?!?' I just nodded my head....then he said he thought it looked like a Lamborghini or something and that it was a beautiful car. Sigh...if only it ran as good as it looked.... (smile) My questions are: 1. Would replacing my plastic clutch line with the steel one fix my problems and is it the logical place to start? 2. I recall someone else having a problem like this on the list and mentioning something about a 'synchromesh'. I looked up that term and sort of understand what it is (supposed to keep the gears from clashing as you shift from one to another)- could this be the problem also? 3. Previous owner just had complete clutch rebuild a few years ago- so I'm assuming the clutch is OK? Or could this be some other problem with the clutch? (besides just plastic cable?) Suggestions welcomed and any other stories- send them my way! I love to hear a good story about people admiring DeLoreans (always seems to happen at gas stations...) Sincerely, Jeff Wiltzius Wisconsin DeLorean Owner #6145 (in need of some major assistance right now!) ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- View the full archives, subscribe/unsubscribe, use the group calendar at http://www.eGroups.com/list/dmcnews Manage your subscriptions at http://eGroups.com Free e-mail groups by eGroups.com. 
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