This whole thread has degenerated into the classic tempest in a tea pot. A real snoozer. I am glad that I spend much more time actually driving my car and keeping it running well than time here snipping. Lee --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Peter Lucas <lucas@...> wrote: > > It might be better to actually gain some understanding about the laws in question > before you make sweeping claims about them. > > It might also be better to actually read and understand a post before you comment > on it, especially if you are going to label it "stupid". > > I will simply ignore the ad hominem statement about "get(ting) over yourselves". > > > On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Matthew Bozievich <matthewbozievich@...> wrote: > > > Okay, seriously, what is the big deal over this making a copy of a page of > > a user's manual for someone? He's not REPRODUCING it, he's making a > > PHOTOCOPY for someone. He owns the manual, he's allowed to make personal > > copies of a page of it to show people, that is NOT copyright infringement. > > If he wanted to reproduce the manual and sell it, or make his own manual > > and include pages from it, that's a different story. > > > > Seriously people, get over yourselves. Just making a copy of a page of a > > document you purchased and own to show privately to someone as a courtesy > > is not copyright infringement, it's not illegal, and to suggest so is to > > just plain stupid. Dan, I'll personally pay all your legal fees if you get > > sued by DMCH over this nonsense, because it's not going to happen. > > > > Matt > > #2681 > > > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Peter Lucas <lucas@...> wrote: > > > > > Mr. DeLorean may well have been a very generous man, and I am sure he > > > claimed to own the copyrights, trademarks and other intellectual property > > > from DMC. But, so do various other people with equal plausibility. > > > Reproducing these documents surely does violate SOMEBODY's IP rights. But > > > the history of this property is so convoluted, poorly-documented, and > > > contested that nothing short of a jury trial would settle any given > > > question. That will never happen, since the aggregate financial value of > > > all of these assets is negligible compared to the cost of that kind of > > > litigation. > > > > > > As a result of this, the bottom line is that most people do what they want > > > and get away with it. In a few cases, players with the motivation, > > > resources and tenacity to make consistent claims to ownership (such as DMCH > > > for the DeLorean trademarks) can stake claims that over time become > > > defensible -- assuming no one bellies up with an actual legal challenge in > > > the mean time. But, who would bother? There is nothing wrong with > > > this--it is how trademark law works, and it works pretty well overall. > > > Copyright is a little different, since unlike trademarks, ownership of > > > copyrights is supposed to be absolute until they expire (i.e., it is not > > > "use it or loose it"). But, unless somebody decides to start writing large > > > checks to lawyers (and, one notes that DMCH seems to have refrained from > > > this in the case of the copyrights), the question will remain unresolved > > > and this current free-for-all will prevail. This, too, is probably not a > > > bad outcome, all things considered. > > > > > > --Pete Lucas > > > VIN #06703 > > > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:30 AM, deloreanernst@... wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, but Mr. DeLorean was very generous to allow reproduction of such > > > original company materials, which he held the copyright for, for the good > > > of the owners. Hopefully that tradition continues. > > > > Wayne > > > > vin 11174 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: PAUL LEGUTKI <legutki@...> > > > > To: dmcnews <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:48 pm > > > > Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Buyers Guide book updates... > > > > > > > > Duh, as Homer might say. Isn't that copyright infringement ?? > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: djdanwilson <djdanwilson@...> > > > > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Sent: Mon, October 15, 2012 12:41:35 PM > > > > Subject: [DML] Re: Buyers Guide book updates... > > > > > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > > > > > My D and I are currently separated by 2,500 miles, and the manual is in > > > the > > > > glove box. The next time I see my car I will scan that page of the > > > manual and > > > > send it to you. > > > > > > > > Dan W. > > > > > > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Eric Pool <ericpool@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dan, can you send a out a picture of the transmission page? > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 2:35 PM, djdanwilson <djdanwilson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > James - It is white, without the black and silver cardstock cover. > > > It's also > > > > > > > > >printed on the thinner, glossy paper. I've only ever seen three '83 > > > Owner's > > > > >Handbooks. I saw a perfect, unblemished example in a display case at > > > DCS in > > > > >either Gettysburg or Lexington in the museum room, and the two I own. > > > One came > > > > >in my car (in poor condition), and the other I bought from a vendor > > > table at > > > > DCS > > > > >in Gettysburg. I showed it to you there and asked if it was authentic, > > > and you > > > > >said, yes, from Consolidated. Perhaps you thought I was holding a late > > > '82 > > > > >version? My manual transmission operation page is different from your > > > .pdf file > > > > > > > > >for sure. It warns of the gear grind and explains how to prevent it. > > > The next > > > > >time I know our paths will cross I'll bring one with me to show you. > > > The one > > > > >from my car came with a white dealer list I mentioned in Orlando. I'll > > > bring > > > > >that too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan W. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > > > > moderators@... > > > > > > > > For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see > > > www.dmcnews.com > > > > > > > > To search the archives or view files, log in at > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! > > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Pete Lucas > > > VIN #06703 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > > > moderators@... > > > > > > For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see > > > www.dmcnews.com > > > > > > To search the archives or view files, log in at > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! 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