Re: [DML] A message to prospective DeLorean owners..do not show up with a book..

[PAUL LEGUTKI <legutki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Who passed away???

--- On Tue, 9/18/12, Kevin Abato <delorean@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Kevin Abato <delorean@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [DML] A message to prospective DeLorean owners..do not show up with a book..
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2012, 3:40 PM



  



Funny enough, I've actually look at many cars where I've had to educate the
existing owner. Quite often people who are selling Deloreans either do not
understand what the car is valued at its current condition or have no
understanding of the car at all since it was vehicle they have was
inherited from a relative etc. Who passed away.

There are many times I've seen people selling a car and asking 10 to 15,000
dollars over the actual value simply because they think they have something
rare and are out of touch with the current community.
On Sep 18, 2012 12:02 PM, "Harold" <hmcelraft@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Well, the way I see it the car is what is. If someone wants to do a detail
> book review on it fine - however, not everyone will want to spend the time
> with a prospective buyer to educate them. The biggest issue is a seller not
> being honest with the buyer - I don't mean minor things that an owner
> doesn't give second thought to - but big issues like frame rot, etc. If a
> seller(s) gets caught doing something like that shame on them. Go job
> prospective buyer! Honesty and good resources like James' book will make
> the whole DeLorean community better off.
>
> Harold McElraft - 3354
>
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "cbl302@..." <cbl302@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well everyone is different..but anyone who has taken great care of their
> Delorean..and then having someone with NO Knowledge of Deloreans and
> depending ONLY on a book to see their way into buying a Delorean..flipping
> through page after page..In my eyes is very Cold and not how to buy a
> Delorean from a private owner...
> >
> > Never in all my years of selling my personal cars has anyone shown up
> with a book and vise versa..I would NEVER show up at a private residence
> with ANY book..for one..in my eyes it would make me feel stupid and like I
> have no knowledge of that vehicle..and I must/have to depend on "a book" to
> see my way through a deal..Not a positive image to get a good deal from a
> seller.
> >
> > If someone showed up with a book I would not even budge a Nickel on the
> selling price.
> >
> > But on the other hand if someone showed up with vast Knowledge on
> Deloreans and had a Positive attitude while checking out the car..I would
> have a Positive attitude in making a reasonable deal to try to sell the car
> to that buyer.
> >
> > Kinda like s single guy or lady showing up on a date with a How to book
> on dating..just stupid and embarrassing and cold..and you know how that is
> going to work out..no you do all your reading and know how..Before the
> date..same applies with buying a car from a private party...and everyone
> will come out for the better.
> >
> > Everybody loves Human interaction..nobody likes cold impersonal folks
> with books in tow trying to make a deal.
> >
> > Claude
> > 1024 bric
> >
> >
> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Matthew Bozievich <matthewbozievich@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay, not sure what the difference is. Obviously, you're going to
> need to
> > > read the book before you check out any potential car, or you won't know
> > > what pages to flip through in the book, so you're going to have the
> > > knowledge as well.
> > >
> > > Personally, if anyone wants to come buy one of my cars, and comes with
> a
> > > book in hand, that's no problem with me or any other honest seller.
> > >
> > > I'd see bringing the book as a good tool to weed out dishonest
> sellers, as
> > > if they get nervous when you start looking at the book as a reminder to
> > > look for certain things, and the Delorean they want doesn't check out
> and
> > > they are trying to hide it.
> > >
> > > However, any truly honest seller would have no problem with you asking
> > > questions, be it from a book, a notepad, clipboard, or a Delorean
> friend
> > > you bring along to inspect the car with you. Only dishonest sellers
> will
> > > take issue with it, and if bringing the book brings out the bad in
> them,
> > > I'm guessing the car will be a pass anyways.
> > >
> > > In short, I don't foresee any reasonable, honest, decent seller turning
> > > away or otherwise being offensive to a serious potential buyer
> regardless
> > > of bringing this book with them or not.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > #2681
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:34 PM, cbl302@ <cbl302@
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My point being,that a Book or DMCH's book would be fine at a
> Commercial
> > > > establishment,that is selling a Delorean..But in NO WAY show up at a
> > > > private residence with a Book in hand doing a page to page check
> > > > list..again I or anyone else would see it as offensive..since most
> Delorean
> > > > owners see their cars as their "babies" and for some stranger
> nitpicking
> > > > from a book is not how a typical Delorean owner wants a Buyer to
> act...On
> > > > the other hand coming over with a Vast Knowledge of Deloreans and
> "talking
> > > > Delorean" while Visually checking off for any defects,will not only
> get you
> > > > in good terms with the seller..but most likely a good deal..and A
> happy
> > > > prospect for both buyer and seller.
> > > >
> > > > Never ever get into the Market to buy a Delorean or any older
> > > > sportscar..until you have full knowledge of the vehicle you are
> > > > interested..or at the least bring someone who has vast mechanical
> knowledge
> > > > of that particular model.
> > > >
> > > > Claude
> > > > 1024 Bric
> > > >
> > > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Peter Lucas <lucas@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Claude,
> > > > > With all due respect, IMO that position is ridiculous. I still have
> > > > vivid memories from 15 years ago when I first got interested in Ds,
> and
> > > > started chasing cars for sale. Two things stand out in my memory:
> (1) How
> > > > little I understood the nuances what I was shopping for, and (2) how
> > > > unbelievably brazen many sellers were in mis-representing what they
> had for
> > > > sale. To suggest that someone in that position today should attempt
> to
> > > > conceal his or her ignorance, or should somehow be ashamed that they
> have
> > > > taken the effort to procure a reliable source of information and
> brought
> > > > that source with them while shopping is not very good advice, I
> think. Of
> > > > COURSE one should do everything possible to become educated before
> entering
> > > > the market, but (a) that is easier said than done--especially when
> one is
> > > > in the first rush of enthusiasm; and (b) finding and bringing along
> such a
> > > > book counts as one kind of due diligence, it seems to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > More generally, why *anyone* (except maybe one of those
> disreputable
> > > > sellers) would be critical of James or anyone else who takes the
> time to
> > > > compile a convenient and accessible source of reliable information
> about
> > > > these cars is just beyond me. Having just completed a book myself,
> I, too,
> > > > can attest to the fact that it is a lot harder than it looks, and I
> offer
> > > > my congratulations and thanks to James.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unlike some other long-time list members, I have found myself
> pretty
> > > > tolerant of the recent tumult on the list (except for the ad hominem
> > > > attacks) But, I frankly find these last comments to be just vacuous
> > > > carping. James has made a real contribution to the community. If
> anyone can
> > > > do better, please step up and do so.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Pete Lucas
> > > > > VIN #06703
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sep 17, 2012, at 10:05 AM, cbl302@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > If I was selling a delorean..I Would CHASE the person off my
> Property
> > > > if they showed up with a Book...It would make me feel like ...well..
> the
> > > > Proverbial Shady Used car dealer..and in No way would I sell to that
> > > > person..bottom line do your Homework FIRST about the "Ins" and
> "outs" of a
> > > > Delorean..Again USE ALL available sources and NOT just a Book to
> learn
> > > > about the Good and Bad about Deloreans..Just DO NOT show up with a
> Book..it
> > > > would only Embarrass You..(as it would show your lack of knowledge of
> > > > Deloreans)and Piss off the Seller..as it would make him or her seem
> > > > Dishonest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Claude
> > > > > > 1024 Bric
> > > > > >
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