Martin, Even if there was a 4 way pick ( which would be ridiculous ), or what your talking about a lift pump or a single baffle placed in the tank someone somewhere would bitch about it not picking up. They wouldn't bother to tell you they only had 1/2 liter of fuel or they wouldn't even look they would just get on the internet and gossip and complain that it didn't work. You can't please some people no matter what you do even if you gold plated it. That's all they can do is run something down and sit back and bitch and gossip. That's the way they are made. John -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Gutkowski Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:43 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DML] sending units & Houston Special Aaaargh! You're just limiting the range of a tank of fuel to worse than what the car was born with! Put a properly designed baffle in the centre of the tank and it'll give you the best range... period. I'd like to run a lift pump and swirl pot but that's a harder sell; though that really would let you get down to the last litre before hiccuping. A 4 point pickup wouldn't work cos air is easier to pump than fuel.. Martin Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "John Hervey" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sender: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:51:13 To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [DML] sending units & Houston Special Ok, Then if someone can't afford to put 2 gallons of fuel in the car the you need to make a 4 way pick up incase their out of gas or almost out. One pick up extreme front, one extreme rear and one on each side. This way no matter position the car is in they will pick up the last oz of fuel. John Hervey -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Gutkowski Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:54 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DML] sending units & Houston Special John, I had a call from an owner convinced that his auto DeLorean had an electrical issue because every time they put the car into drive, the engine would stall, yet reversing the car out of the garage was no problem. I worked out in very short order that he?d replaced the original baffle with one of yours and there wasn?t enough fuel in the tank to enable it to move forwards. I call that a pretty big flaw! The optimum position for the baffle is in the centre of the tank like the original, it doesn?t take an engineering degree to work that out. Also the baffle should only have a small number of small holes in the side, not be basically a ring held to the bottom of the tank ? the original baffle design had a recall on it for precisely that problem ? the baffle empties in a couple of seconds! I am aware of owners who have reverted back to the stock setup because they couldn?t get the same range from a tank of fuel with your baffle. As for criticising vendor-specific parts, please don?t forget that I?m in this game too. I call it like I see it and frequently point people to you for AC stuff. I (and they) just wish you listed one complete system excluding compressor, condenser and evaporator and then listed those bits separately on your site. DMCH?s fuel tank sender is flawed in terms of accuracy and the conservative level at which the light comes on but it does the job well enough and it does it for a very reasonable price. 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