Re: [DML] Re: Wishbone LCA's

["Martin Gutkowski" <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ah so you with your legs are capable of applying the same kind of force as a 1200kg car braking hard?

The ARB is a spring, but it isn't loaded from side to side, so your point is moot.

Martin

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:13:57 
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Subject: [DML] Re: Wishbone LCA's

I tried to move the LCA fore/aft before swaybar installation. Even pushing against it with my legs I could not make it budge. It may not be as inflexible as a true wishbone, but it's pretty damn close.

Our swaybars are more flexible than Lotus swaybars simply due to the bend angle: ours are bent ~45 degrees while Lotus' are bent 90 degrees. If you ever stand a DeLorean swaybar on end and pull down on it, you will be surprised how bendy it is.

I turned my swaybar bushings around backwards (meaty part to the rear) so the bar pushes into an empty space as the LCA moves up & down. And I'm using rubber bushings rather than polyurethane for added squish.

Given the number of Uding brackets in circulation, with no reported problems I am aware of, I really don't think the swaybar is a problem.

Luke Sandel has been running the same combo I have (Byrne LCA's/Ed brackets) for one year longer -- perhaps he can provide an 18 month perspective.

Bill Robertson
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--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@...> wrote:
>
> I just recently had a conversation with a Lotus owner about this, and hand an "ah-ha" moment when he said the ARB is just pushed in to the bushing on the Esprit design.  There is no nut on the back end to lock it in to the LCA..  
> 
> So, if that is true, the ARB in the lotus application is free to travel forward/aft inside the LCA..  eliminating the problem that Mike Loasby talked about.  
> 
> Clearly, the nut and front collar is needed in the DeLorean application because that is all that keeps the LCA from collapsing under the car.  It makes me wonder, can Ed's brackets keep the LCA in place if the nut on the end of the ARB was left off??   I know *I* would not try it on my car, and for sure would not propose that anyone else try it...  
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 3/11/12, Martin Gutkowski <martin@...> wrote:
> 
> > I was referring to your frame
> > extension modification as heath-robinson, not Ed's brackets
> > which are a professionally produced product.
> > 
> > However in *my* professional opinion, the design is flawed.
> > If you're going to make the LCA's act as wishbones, make
> > them wishbones. Eliminate all fore/aft movement including
> > that generated by the ARB. Simples.
> > 
> > I have a concept in my head, I have started come CAD models
> > but I'm too busy making a living to spend much time on it at
> > present
>




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