[DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame

["content22207" <brobertson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

That is a link to the album itself. You may need to be a Facebook user to see it in its entirety. These individual photo links should work (you won't be able to see the accompanying captions, so I've cut & pasted them here):

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/377600_267044393340818_100001057778755_815782_508450166_n.jpg  
Bryne Heninger's LCA's and Ed Uding's outer support brackets. 

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/311305_267046116673979_100001057778755_815787_1268352523_n.jpg
Same perspective passenger side. 

 http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391867_267046526673938_100001057778755_815788_603984250_n.jpg
Bryne Heninger's LCA's and Ed Uding's outer support brackets.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317336_267047046673886_100001057778755_815789_1233343848_n.jpg
Same perspective passenger side. 

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393423_267047366673854_100001057778755_815790_637586837_n.jpg
Byrne's ball joints do not have grease fittings -- I added some. 

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/299176_267047936673797_100001057778755_815792_1589410485_n.jpg
Painted brake calipers -- woo woo. 

 http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/374230_267048593340398_100001057778755_815793_1300120263_n.jpg
Same perspective passenger side.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/392677_267049146673676_100001057778755_815795_1925875578_n.jpg
My Uding brackets are mounted against C40 hardened washers rather than the shock tower (Ed's original design is for the protruding bolt tube and weld bead to go inside the bushing so that the bushing face is pressed against the shock tower side). Washers not only allow the brackets to rotate easier, but they also eliminate squeaking. And they protect my paint job.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/308894_267052680006656_100001057778755_815798_160675223_n.jpg
Another view of the rotating washers. *NOTE*: these are 1/8" thick hardened washers. They will not bend backwards on the protruding bolt tube, nor will the tube eat into them. Note also that the entire bushing face is supported against the washer -- they provide exactly the same stability as pressing the bushings against the shock towers themselves, yet allow the brackets to move more freely and quietly. Longer pivot bolts were necessary.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300874_267055806673010_100001057778755_815804_849650382_n.jpg
Rumors that the sway bar will rip its mounts off are grossly exaggerated. 

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384284_267056283339629_100001057778755_815806_2007102626_n.jpg
Same perspective passenger side. 

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/301343_267058916672699_100001057778755_815810_346344403_n.jpg
To better accommodate the sway bar's arc of travel, I turned the mounting bushings around (meaty part towards the back). This allows the sway bar to press into an empty space. I also am using rubber bushings, which have more squish than polyurethane.

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375011_267060150005909_100001057778755_815811_2047237322_n.jpg
Same perspective passenger side. 

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/377906_271475429564381_100001057778755_832165_907230671_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390244_271883462856911_100001057778755_833296_174182591_n.jpg
Luke Sandel installed the same combo (Byrne's arms and Ed's Outriggers) about a year before I did. Note that his outriggers are butted against the shock towers (I believe I am the first to have mounted them against hardened washers)

Bill Robertson
#5939

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Niemczewski" <dmctom@...> wrote:
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> From: "content22207" <brobertson@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:30 PM
> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame
> 
> > I have long advocated double wishbones up front, but am often rebuffed by 
> > owners who claim a floppier LCA is just fine (not only does the sway bar 
> > do a poor job of doubling as a backwards thrust arm, but the LCA itself is 
> > skinniest at the pivot point which is inherently unstable, kind of like 
> > standing with your legs together versus standing with them spread apart. 
> > OEM LCA's are also made of 16 gauge steel, which makes them rather twisty 
> > themselves).
> >
> > Earlier this year I installed a set of Ed Uding's LCA brackets on a pair 
> > of 1/8" alloy steel arms, creating pseudo lower wishbones. The result 
> > revolutionized the car: 
> > http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.267044360007488.68655.100001057778755&type=3
> >
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939
> >
> >
> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Niemczewski" <dmctom@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Bill,
> >>
> >> The front suspension will use double wishbones with coil-over-shock and 
> >> will
> >> be fully adjustable. That is the easy part. The real pain is with the 
> >> rear.
> >> It will also use double wishbone system and I'm getting rid of the TABs.
> >> Major changes...
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings from Poland!
> >> Tom Niemczewski
> >> Vin 6149 plus 2418, 3633, 5030, 16473, 17086
> >> Google earth: 52°25'17.66"N, 21° 1'58.40"E
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "content22207" <brobertson@>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 8:17 PM
> >> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame
> >>
> >> > What changes are you making to the front suspension?
> >> >
> >> > Bill Robertson
> >> > #5939
> >> >
> >> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Niemczewski" <dmctom@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Matt,
> >> >>
> >> >> Still not ready. Lots of things going on at once... life... Besides, I 
> >> >> do
> >> >> not want to rush things. There are some major changes in the 
> >> >> suspension
> >> >> and
> >> >> I want to be absolutely sure everything works before I say that the 
> >> >> frame
> >> >> is
> >> >> ready. That means testing, testing, and then some more testing.
> >> >> I will be posting to the DML (regardless if it's moderated or not). I
> >> >> will
> >> >> post some pictures of the testing and assembly. Can't say exactly when
> >> >> but
> >> >> I'm still here and still working on the details.
> >> >>
> >> >> Greetings from Poland!
> >> >> Tom Niemczewski
> >> >> Vin 6149 plus 2418, 3633, 5030, 16473, 17086
> >> >> Google earth: 52°25'17.66"N, 21° 1'58.40"E
> >> >>
> >> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> >> From: "Matthew" <matthew.spittle@>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 6:04 PM
> >> >> To: <dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Subject: [DML] Re: Carbon fiber louvers - New SS frame
> >> >>
> >> >> > Tom,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any update on your frames?  I would like to buy one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> > #1604
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tom Niemczewski" <dmctom@> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hello Bryan,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm glad that you are interested in my little project to make a new
> >> >> >> frame.
> >> >> >> You didn't miss any updates as there weren't any. Life got in a way
> >> >> >> and I
> >> >> >> had to postpone this project. I'm getting ready to return to it 
> >> >> >> just
> >> >> >> now
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> I should have the frame finished pretty soon. The frame itself is
> >> >> >> pretty
> >> >> >> much complete but I'm still working on some parts of it. The good
> >> >> >> thing
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> that while I was doing other things in life I had some specialists 
> >> >> >> go
> >> >> >> over
> >> >> >> the frame and do some calculations. Thanks to their effort and
> >> >> >> expertise
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> suspension will be redesigned both front and rear. We are doing 
> >> >> >> double
> >> >> >> wishbone front and are getting rid of the infamous TAB in the rear. 
> >> >> >> We
> >> >> >> should have the prototype frame on the road within a few months.
> >> >> >> Bryan, I didn't want to compete with your frame so the delay was
> >> >> >> useful
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> two ways. I've heard that you might be discontinuing your frame 
> >> >> >> soon
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> so
> >> >> >> I can offer my frames then. Is that true or was it just a rumor?
> >> >> >> BTW, one of the reasons for my delay is now listed in my signature.
> >> >> >> There's
> >> >> >> five of them actually. ;)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Take care
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Greetings from Poland!
> >> >> >> Tom Niemczewski
> >> >> >> Vin 6149 plus 2418, 3633, 5030, 16473, 17086
> >> >> >> Google earth: 52°25'17.66"N, 21° 1'58.40"E
> >> >> >>
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