RE: [DML] Re: DOA questions?

["Josh Haldeman" <jhaldeman@xxxxxxxx>]

Questions below are prefixed with a "Q:"

Thank you in advance.

Answers prefixed with an "A:"

Hope it helps!

--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmcnews%40yahoogroups.com> , "Josh
Haldeman" <jhaldeman@...> wrote:
> As the largest independent car organization in the world, the Association
appreciates the support of its members in promoting the value, image and
mystique of the DeLorean automobile.

> Members enjoy:
> 
> - A subscription to DeLorean World Magazine

Q: How many issues per year?
A: Three currently, and possibly four next year once we evaluate the volume
of useful, new information we can provide to our members.  No point in doing
four issues if they will be lousy.
> 
> - Access to the largest network of DeLorean owners, both nationally and
internationally. Members come from all over the world beyond the United
States, to Canada, Mexico, Japan and Europe

Q: How large is the organization? Does its membership really surpass that of
dmcnews.com or dmctalk.com?

A: I'll have to look into this.  The claim is that we have the largest
network of owners, not owners and enthusiasts.  I'll have to research where
that data comes from.  It's certainly not total involvement numbers, because
I believe that title belongs to DMCTalk.  As of this writing, there are 2227
members of the DML.  DMCTalk currently has 3272 members.  DCS has roughly
800 people on our mailing list, but again, not all are owners.  None of
those groups provides numbers for owners vs. enthusiast figures.   We have
511 owners currently on the books at the DOA.

> 
> - Technical advice on the DeLorean automobile from our network and help
line

Q: Define "network". Is the "help line" a manned 24hr assistance tollfree
hotline?

A: This is something that was started back in the early 1980's when there
was no internet, or easily accessible technical information available for
owners.  We recruited volunteers among our members to man a phone line, and
try their best to deal with providing answers on an as-need basis.  These
days, this service is all but completely unnecessary.  The internet,
combined with enthusiastic vendor support makes this more of a liability
than an asset, and I plan on proposing that we eliminate that bullet point
from our site, or replace it with something, (hopefully multiple things) of
more value.  I believe Ron Ferguson mans the "help-line" these days.  He
could probably tell you more about it.   

> - Membership access to our website which hosts the 'DeLorean Cafe' forum
and a wealth of information for the DeLorean enthusiast in the membership
area (under construction now)

Q: Under construction? How will it surpass what dmcnews.com and dmctalk.com
already offer for free?

A: By providing online versions of tech article from past issues of DeLorean
World primarily.  In addition, we hope to work with the Board of the
DeLorean Museum to provide online access to never before seen documents and
photos from the factory days.

> - 10% off all DeLorean Store products

Q: Where can I see a listing of the parts you offer through your store? I'd
like to compare prices and availability of parts at your store vs existing
competitors.

A: Everything we sell is viewable through our DeLorean Store, viewable here:
http://www.deloreanowners.org/index.php?P=33  Due to the financial crunch we
don't currently take payments through the site, but that will change
shortly.  In the meantime, if you are interested in anything listed there,
you can call Joan Truscott, and she will fulfill your orders.  Her number is
also listed on the site.

> - And instant membership to all local Chapters and Chapter events

Q: All of which are held in CA, correct?

A: Incorrect.  We currently have DOA Chapters in Minnesota, Pennsylvania,
Florida, Southern California, Michigan, Texas, France and Ireland.  Some
chapters are more active than others, but there are currently local DOA
events held throughout the country and in Europe.  We are always looking to
expand on this, if you're interested in starting a chapter in your area!  

> 2. Where do the funds go? (All organizations should be able to make their
treasury available to its members)

Q: The answer provided didn't answer the question.

A: That is correct.  This information is only available to club members.  It
is not currently available to the general public.  This doesn't make much
sense to me, because people who are considering membership would probably
like to know where their money is going to be going.  I intend to bring this
up at the next meeting, and see if I can affect change!  Hang in there.
I've only been President for a week!  We'll get there, if you'll afford me a
bit of patience.

Q: If Conde Nast (a world renowned publisher) is closing its doors on some
of its flagship magazines given the current decline of print media, how do
you expect to succeed in printing a magazine for such a small audience? Why
not instead just run a website or contribute to the pre-existing websites?

A: I think the answer is fairly simple.  We've always successfully published
a magazine for such a small audience.  We're not a large for-profit
corporation with hundreds of employees like most of Conde-Nast's
publications.  There are six of us that currently sit on the board.
Although membership is down, and money is tight, we still don't see as much
of the problems that most of those mainstream magazines see.  Don't get me
wrong.it is still our greatest expense, but not so great that we can't
handle it.  We do run a website as well, as I've already pointed out, and
because our members are regular people just like you, we also contribute to
existing websites.  Ever checked out the DOA Forum on DMCTalk, or seen us
post messages here?  We also have a Facebook group, complete with a listing
of upcoming events.  We also work with local clubs around the country to
exchange information about upcoming shows and events, including the DCS,
DCO, and DMA among many others.  We provide links to their sites through
ours when we can't provide enough information on our site alone.  I can go
on if needed.  Let me know.


> 2) A first-rate, properly maintained and organized central repository of
technical information of value to owners.

Q: Isn't that what the internet is for?

A: Yes, but the accuracy of the information that's out there concerns me.
Speaking as someone who has rebuilt 6 DeLoreans to date, disassembled
another 4 basket cases for parts, and is working on building a project car,
as well as helping to restore Pilot 21, the first automatic DeLorean ever
made right now, I can tell you that I still don't have all the answers.  The
professionals have experience with the whole closed systems that are our
cars, and how the various sub-systems interrelate.  It's their opinions and
advice that I value most, although that's not to say that the average garage
mechanic can't contribute as well.  That's part of the beauty and the beast
that is the internet, is having the volume of information available, but
having trouble determining the good from the bad.  In my opinion, the
Association should work with the vendors to provide some sort of content
review service, where we can place our stamp of approval on sites that take
the time to make sure their constituents aren't being led astray with bad
technical advice or information.  This is what I had in mind for Pete Lucas
to take on if I haven't scared the crap out of him!  Haha!

 

If you come up with any other questions, let me know!  It's been refreshing
to be able to talk to so many people this week about all these important
topics.  It's giving me some wonderful ideas on what matters most in our
community, and I intend to use that in order to work on returning the DOA to
relevance for you!

 

Best,

Josh

 

 

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