Mark, I agree, and I too have had my messages removed from DMCTalk. My post here said, "free from censorship by the last 2 people who think they still have a club". In other words, since Tiffany was removed as a moderator of the DMA mailing list, no messages on this topic have been approved to the official DMA list. So, because the DML has a very large audience that includes many people who are not interested in this discussion, the next best choice for people to discuss this is on the DMA forum hosed on DMCTalk. http://www.dmctalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=47 The DMCTalk list has it's own set of rules that need to be taken in to consideration. However, the mods over there (so far) have not "taken sides" and has allowed the discussion to continue. If it drives a bit more traffic to DMCTalk, so be it (good for them!). Even though I prefer the e-mail format over the web based, I am getting used to it. Marc --- On Sun, 7/6/08, DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Free from Censorship hardly, People are Moderated over there, Moderation is Censorship. DMCTalk is not free from Censorship, they have deleted many posts and topics by lots of people, not just me. If you abuse their posting rules enough they will Permanently Ban you. Read their posting laws. http://www.dmctalk. com/misc. php? do=page&template= rules Clearly stated "This is a privately owned forum; First Amendment rights do not apply." Mark V ------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/