Re: [DML] Re: DOA, and car club politics.

[Colby Knight <jck_dmc12@xxxxxxxxx>]

I have never met Ken Baker.
 
I have corresponded with him on here a few times (maybe 3?) and spoken on the phone with him twice.
 
The second time was this past Tuesday night... just to see how he was handling the 'grief' he's been getting on the DML!
 
I find it odd/strange/sad/disheartening,etc. at how a member in good standing of the DML for many years is now being 'raked over the coals' (my words, not his) because of his new position in the DeLorean Owner's Assocation.
 
Geez folks... Ken is now the president of a car organization.  Some of you are reacting like he wants to molest your kids!
 
Sure the D.O.A. has had issues in the past.  Ken is aware of this and wants to take the organization in another direction.  How about giving him a chance to do it?
 
All he's asked is that you CALL HIM so he can discuss it with you.  In e-mails, things have a way of getting misinterpreted... and QUICK!  In an e-mail, maybe even like this one, every word will be inspected and disected and taken a hundred different ways by a hundred different people with the writer's intent lost as soon as the 'send' button is pressed.
 
Give the guy a chance.  If he's asked you to call him, freaking call him!  Hell, use your cell phone and call on the 'free weekends.'  But don't pout and whine and act like the guy is trying to avoid answering your questions.
 
For those of you who would rather not give him a chance or have the stones to call the guy, please check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy
 
Colby Knight
(and I approved this message)

--- On Fri, 6/20/08, Johnny Sawyer <johnny.sawyer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Johnny Sawyer <johnny.sawyer@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: DOA, and car club politics.
To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 12:04 PM






So let me get this straight...we (as individuals) must contact Ken B. in
order to get answers? Let me me remind you that Ken B. is the one who
started all of this. If HE has something to say, HE can do it right here
right now just like the rest of us.

I see no reason to call someone long distance when we have an open fourm
right here.

Johnny
5518
AZ-D

On 6/20/08, outatime81 <outatime81@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> Here is my suggestion to you Marc. Pick up the phone call Ken and
> YOU can relay to the group the details of your conversation. You
> labeling him as "unwilling" is negative and totally unfair. How
> about you take the lead since you are now slamming me for not
> relaying all the details of my talk with him.
>
> Tom Watkins
>
> --- In dmcnews@yahoogroups .com <dmcnews%40yahoogro ups.com>, Marc Levy
> <malevy_nj@. ..> wrote:
> >
> > That was me!! Although, not exactly what I said; It was something
> more along the lines of "it should be documented". I am sure Ken B
> has the e-mail I sent him.
> >
> > So, what is so wrong about having a public record of what was
> said? Many of the complaints about the DOA have been secrecy. Why
> is Ken B unwilling to simply publish exactly what he told you on the
> telephone for all of us to read?
> >
> > Why don't you tell us what he said, instead of just how you felt
> about what he said?
> >
> > Lots of people read the DML. Isn't it easier for the DOA to get
> the word out on this list instead of taking 1000+ calls from all of
> the readers one at a time?
> >
> > Just as a general statement, there are 2 reasons people get in
> to "politics" (even if it is as minor as the politics of a car
> club). First reason is for power over SOMETHING (ANYTHING), ego and
> admiration. The other reason is for the good of the community. My
> experience has taught me that politicians who want to keep things
> secret are NOT doing what is in the best for the "people" (or
> members). If they were, they would have no problem making sure it is
> well documented. Even if someone becomes an officer "to serve",
> sometimes those people slowly become power hungry. Keeping
> everything public is the best way to stop that from happening... .
> *ALL* clubs should heed this warning. :)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/19/08, outatime81 <outatime81@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > the same. There is nothing sinister about his wanting to talk to
> > people on the phone....for God's sake! It's my understanding one of
> > you "wanted it in writing". If all of you jump down this guys
> > throat we may lose a change at someone who seems to REALLY care
> > about the future of our community.

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