Andy, Naturally Rob is a friend and yes he has the years on me. But I also have been rebuilding brake calipers for a long time and have worked with some one who has rebuilding for 30 + years. I'm not trying to compete for you business but Rob brought it up. I just rebuilt a set of Rob's plated calipers and that's all I'm going to say about that. But the facts are I don't mold my own seals for the calipers. They are factory made by another company. I naturally bead blast my own calipers, hone the piston holds and clean / turn the plated pistons that are not pitted with a 400 grit aluminum oxide pistons on my lathe. I replace ant pistons that need be. Factory Zinc Plating is about is about 0.002 thick be it zinc or cad and if you see the quantity I do you can see it doesn't hold up very long. Unless they have oil or leaking brake fluid on them they are all rusted right thru the plating. It just doesn't last long. The process I use as I'm told by the professionals with the acid etching primer applied thick and the pure 316 stainless steel paint is about 10 times thicker than plating. Who will last longer I don't know but I'm told by people in the business that rebuild calipers by the 100's say my system may even hold up better to damage because it 's so much thicker. I also have pure 316 pistons if you want to pay $30.00 ea and I have Zinc plated calipers and I can Cad plat also if people want to pay the price. It's all in the money. They look nice for something you can't see and all you want to function for a long time. We build a quality product for the money and have found them to be very durable without having to take out a loan. John www.deloreanautoparts.com -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rob@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:22 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [DML] brake caliper painting Andy, Cadmium plating (superior to Zinc) makes the caliper look better longer but the real advantage comes from the fact that the piston bore is re-plated at the same time. We only use re-plated calipers in our shop and feel that painting is basically a waste of time unless you're going to powder-coat them which adds significantly to the cost and is strictly for a better and longer lasting appearance. The other things that contribute to longevity are stainless pistons and the use of Girling OEM seals and new bleeder screws. Rubber compounding is a surprisingly complex technology and the original Girling seals almost never crack or fail on Delorean's. These calipers always seem to fail from lack of fluid flushes and the absorption of water over time. This causes the fluid to "varnish" the bore and eventually to corrode the chrome on the original pistons and subsequent binding of the caliper. We offer cadmium plated calipers with stainless pistons and Girling rubber for about the same cost as John (He has someone make his rubber seals) but feel more comfortable with OEM rubber parts. We have been rebuilding them, in house, for over fifteen years and I don't recall a single failure. You won't "have to mess with them for a long time". Shameless plug I know but I just can't resist. I'm proud of the quality of our calipers and actually enjoy rebuilding them. Strange but true :). Rob Grady, P.J.Grady Inc. [moderator snip] ------------------------------------ To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnewsYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/