Re: [DML] Leaving the group: was binnacle removal issue

[DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes Delorean owners will travel to help. What I meant is lots of  
people are too LAZY to bother to read their manuals or to even buy a  
manual for their Delorean and rather ask for free help instead of  
actually learning something for a change. I dont mind helping people  
that want to learn, getting hands on experience is the best thing to  
learn! However I will not help somebody that doesn't want to learn  
for themselves!

People are too quick to ask for help instead of learning about the  
car they own. I researched for years before I even bought my car, I  
bought all the manuals and I DIDNT EVEN OWN A DELOREAN AT THE TIME, I  
even joined a Club to get hands on experience. People now days it  
seems like they just go buy a Delorean and dont even know a thing  
about it but want help and do no research to help themselves!

Owning the Manuals is a must if you are serious about your Delorean,  
and knowing how to repair one by yourself can save Hundreds of  
Dollars easy.

Most questions asked now days can be answered by reading the manuals  
or doing a simple search on the DML.

My car is still for sale and is 100% running right now. This is a car  
for somebody that wants a daily driver, it is not a Garage Queen.

Mark V



On Jan 29, 2008, at 1:12 PM, content22207 wrote:

> You think DeLorean owners are NOT willing to travel & help?
>
> Rich Acuti posted a vehicular crisis about 4 years ago. I drove up
> from North Carolina. Dave Stragand drove down from Pennsylvania. We
> all hung out in Mike Cohee's Maryland garage until dawn.
>
> Don't underestimate the ownership community.
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
>
>> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@...> wrote:
>>
>> It would be nice if people would just buy the Manuals first, read
>> them and then ask questions if they dont understand.
>>
>> People are too quick to ask for help instead of reading a Manual.
>>
>> Future posts will be people asking for volunteers to come fix their
>> cars.
>>
>> Mark V
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2008, at 1:54 PM, mike.griese@... wrote:
>>
>>> Jordan - Thanks for the post.  You have made some keen observations.
>>>
>>> It is true that there are a number of repetitive questions that
>>> come up on
>>> the list.  For simple things, it is usually just as fast to post
>>> the answer as
>>> it is to refer someone to a "definitive" answer.  Some answers
>>> refuse to
>>> be definitive - what tires to use changes over time as tire
>>> availability
>>> changes, what LEDs to use for replacement lighting changes as
>>> technology
>>> changes, etc.  And in some rare instances, discussing answers that
>>> we thought were definitive uncovers a new solution.
>>>
>>> A key moderation policy of the list is that the list itself does
>>> not endorse
>>> any particular solution to a problem.  The moderating team is not  
>>> that
>>> technically competant to be picking one solution over another if  
>>> there
>>> are differences of opinion.  It is up to list members to make their
>>> own
>>> decisions about solutions to their problems.  Part of their  
>>> decision-
>>> making process should be to consider the source of the advice.
>>>
>>> Another key policy is that we don't try to prevent people from  
>>> looking
>>> like idiots on the list if that is what they want to do.  We try to
>>> pick off
>>> the obviously dangerous advice, strive to weed out personal attacks,
>>> and keep the forum focused on the car, the man and the company.
>>> We aren't always as successful as we would like, however we seem
>>> to be doing pretty well given how some of the other, non-DeLorean
>>> automotive newsgroups run.
>>>
>>> Vendor participation in the list is welcome, but it does come with
>>> some
>>> risk.  By and large, I believe that the vendor community has  
>>> improved
>>> over the years, both from a quality of offerings standpoint and from
>>> a customer service standpoint.  Not all products that vendors come
>>> up with are the best they could be out of the gate (the replacement
>>> headlight switch is a good recent example), and the list helps
>>> identify
>>> problems and determine solutions.  We have added some moderating
>>> guidelines over the years to keep any vendor problems focused
>>> on verifiable, first person issues and limit "piling on" to  
>>> people who
>>> have direct knowledge of the issue.  This has kept the outright
>>> bashing
>>> to a minimum.
>>>
>>> Participation on the list is obviously a personal choice.  I
>>> appreciate
>>> constructive feedback on how we are doing either directly or through
>>> the list, as do the rest of the moderating team.  We want the list
>>> to be
>>> useful and relevant to the participants - long timers, newbies,
>>> vendors,
>>> or moderators.
>>>
>>> If there is something that could be done on the list or on the DMC
>>> News
>>> website, we are open to suggestion, however be advised that any  
>>> major
>>> requests will probably be bounced right back at you - the moderators
>>> are volunteers and have "real" jobs, and may not have the time,
>>> skill or
>>> desire to implement your change directly.  An indexed archive  
>>> would be
>>> great, or a distillation of frequently discussed topics into a
>>> summary that
>>> we could post on DMC News would be great if someone had the time
>>> to do it (hint hint...).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Griese
>>> DML Owner
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from jordan rubin
>>> <nuttenschleuder@...>: --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>> Earlier, i sent out an email which was rejected by the  
>>>> moderator, and
>>>> rightfully so. I will not be asking to resend the email. Ive had
>>>> more time to
>>>> think about what I wrote, being not approved and all. Ive wondered
>>>> to what
>>>> benefit this email would reach the would-be recipients. Frankly it
>>>> seems to me
>>>> that as far as owners are concerned, there are people who can fix
>>>> everything, or
>>>> figure out how, a small group who cant but want to learn, and
>>>> those who cant
>>>> and have no desire to learn, unless the cost of the particular job
>>>> becomes too
>>>> expensive to take to a mechanic. I guess my frustration comes from
>>>> the fact
>>>> that the people who know what they are doing dont need step by
>>>> step guides, and
>>>> the people who are clueless wouldnt bother spending the extra time
>>>> to find the
>>>> information they need, unless it was spoon fed to them. The self
>>>> sufficient
>>>> want to learn people, simply left.
>>>>
>>>> Ive spent enough years on the forum to see the same issue rise up
>>>> time and
>>>> time again. With all of the tools which exist today to obtain
>>>> information, I
>>>> find it rather surprising that folks who ask the simplest
>>>> questions time and
>>>> time again are never urged to first look towards existing
>>>> information before
>>>> posting. Repetitive questions are apparently not a consideration  
>>>> for
>>>> moderation. As of late these questions are clogging up my iphone :)
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps i'm entirely wrong in this matter. maybe, since the car
>>>> itself hasn't
>>>> changed much since its creation, or most definitely since the
>>>> company went
>>>> under, that if the same issues weren't brought up, there wouldn't
>>>> be much to
>>>> discuss.
>>>>
>>>> Other than repetitive questions, new delorean news and events, I
>>>> see a lot of
>>>> drama, vendor bashing, and plenty of self-proclaimed engineers who
>>>> argue a point
>>>> to no end, even if they are outright wrong, just to save face.
>>>> Should you take
>>>> the time to look through the archives, youll see some amazing
>>>> perversions of
>>>> physics and engineering as stated by some of the folks in dmcnews.
>>>> Some of
>>>> these Emmy award winners belong on their own site!
>>>>
>>>> I guess I have simply outgrown dmcnews as i have outgrown dmcforum
>>>> some years
>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> I do want to thank Elvis, who seems more often than not, answering
>>>> these emails
>>>> with, Jordan already wrote a howto for that, just click on this
>>>> link. And a
>>>> thank you to those who in the early days helped me out and
>>>> encouraged learning
>>>> for myself, (the fishing rod, not the fish).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Goodbye,
>>>>
>>>> Jordan
>>>> 11613
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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