David, See below: -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of daviddelorean Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:23 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Cooling Fan Fail Light & Relay Update I'd like clarrification on the cooling fan relay update. My car doesn't have a square relay in the slot for the cooling fans. It has a triangle of wires and each wire has a 20amp fuse in it. I'm assuming this is the upgrade. ( David, To clarify what you are talking about is the Fan Fail Module ( Not relay ) in the blue socket to the far left of the first row of relay's. The fan relay is the relay to the right of the blue socket or the fan fail module.) In any case I've been given two scenerios as for the reason for this and I'd like to narrow down the correct one... Scenerio #1 - the cooling fan fail light was triggered by the fans pulling high voltage, which would happen if they did in fact fail. ( David, The light would come on when the fans draw to much current or more of one or the other. This could mean fail or a motor getting older and just drawing to much current than the other to create an off balance which would trigger the light to come on. Most of the time it was just getting older and maybe beginning to fail.) But high voltage was also pulled when they initially turned on. ( You mean higher current ) Drivers saw the light come on frequently when the fans came on and freaked out because they thought the fans failed. The relay upgrade was needed to simply get rid of the fan fail light completely. ( The 3 wire jumper with or w/out fuses was the temporary factory fix till something could be done.) Scenerio #2 - the original relay would over heat and was a fire hazard. The relay upgrade eliminated the original relay and fire hazard, and as an unwanted side effect over rode the fan fail light. ( Yes the module would over heat and normally would melt due to the current draw over a long period of time, then the jumper was put in and you had no more indication thru the lights that the fans were overloading the circuit.) David, The best thing is to get the heat out of the kitchen as the old saying goes by replacing the fans with the new modular pancake fans that draw about 1/3rd the current. Same cooling affect and no more current problems. All the relay devices built to fix the problem didn't eliminate the current draw problem only handled it better than the original design. By replacing the fans the car will run better and will free up about 20 amps to be used elsewhere. http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/cooling-fans.html John Hervey www.specialtauto.com www.deloreanautoparts.com To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/