The whole reason we're having this debate is because of dumbed down engineering to meet 1970's US Government mandates. Euro spec versions of engines like our PRV are not so dissatisfactory that owners feel compelled to reach for improvement. The whole reason the US Government mandated dumbed down engines is because we ran out of gas and were choking on our own exhaust. The whole reason we had too little gas and too much exhaust is because the US Government did not have a rational transportation policy. Never has. We became enslaved to the self driven automobile. Living and working patterns envolved around it. As European cities remained centrally focused, we spread further and further from our city centers (which quickly fell into decay). World class interurban and trolly lines that dotted the landscape were snapped up by GM and promptly dismantled (not that anyone cared). Heavily subsidized highway and air transport systems hid the true cost of our irrational transportation choices. By the 1970's those chickens came home to roost. I do not advocate eliminating the self driven automobile. I do advocate giving drivers REALISTIC alternatives. The high cost of European gasoline is factored into leisure driving. Americans still have a bad habit of jumping into the car and driving to the store for a forgotten grocery item, or a missing bolt or screw. Americans endure 10 and 12 hour Bataan Death Drives to reach vacation destinations when a train trip would be so much more enjoyable (Amtrak is NOT a realistic alternative. I'm Amtrak's biggest supporter, but its current incarnation can not compete even with our crumpling and clogged interstates). When was the last time an American walked a mile or two to reach a destination (not power walking in circles for fitness)? Europeans do it quite regularly. All this involves passenger transport. Don't even get me started on freight.... The bitter harvest of our irrational transportation choices is the F Series PRV nestled in the back of DeLoreans. At least we're not wasting as much gas as we could when we zip to the store for that forgotten loaf of bread. Bill Robertson #5939 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/