Re: [DML] Re: Bolt On Performance.

[Ron Peters <ascmclaren1987@xxxxxxxxx>]

Interesting, 

My Delorean is bone stock and original except for the
door lift struts, I get 32-35mpg's on the highway
regularly. Is this normal?

Ron Peters #3831

--- welmoedj <joe.dalton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I can do nothing but agree with John's arguments.
> However to silence the comments I will provide data
> in the near 
> future.
> Since I bought the car I kept track of mileage and
> fuel quantities 
> used.
> Over 5500 Miles that resulted in 22.5 Miles per
> gallon.
> I now will first drive around enough to have more
> miles and gallons 
> from the moment I changed coil and cables.
> The first full tank however already showed a better
> fuel consumption 
> (increase of mileage up to 27.05 per gallon). And
> have not yet 
> changed the spark plug gap.
> Should this mileage stay steadily I only can say
> again: case proven!
> 
> I only would like to know when David considers
> improvement to be 
> performance (improvement)? Only when HP or Torque is
> largely improved?
> Moreover, like John noted "Ounces make pounds".
> 
> Welmoed.
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "John Hervey"
> <john@...> wrote:
> >
> > David, 
> > All I can say to this is "Ounces make pounds " and
> with the 
> DeLorean I'll
> > take what ever ounce I can get within reason to
> make a better 
> performance
> > car.
> > It sounds like unless someone can prove to you
> that 30 year old 
> parts that
> > have been updated and improved and the factories
> spend millions to 
> develop
> > aren't going to make any difference to you in our
> cars unless they 
> can prove
> > it to you. Ok, Let them prove it to you while I
> move on.
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of
> > David Teitelbaum
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:57 AM
> > To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [DML] Re: Bolt On Performance.
> > 
> > I never said NOT to try to improve your "D". What
> I AM trying to 
> > point out is that there is a very limited amount
> of improvement to 
> > be gained by buying expensive "performance" parts.
> In many cases 
> > there will be NO improvement. You really have to
> look at it as 
> > a "bang-for-the-buck" kind of equation. You can
> spend a little to 
> > get a little and you can spend a lot and get a
> little too! Be very 
> > suspicous of big claims for ANY device. An example
> of real gains 
> can 
> > be seen with synthetic oil. It has been documented
> by independant 
> > labs that you CAN get as much as 10 extra HP by
> converting to 
> > synthetic oil. Of course much depends on your
> individual car but in 
> > this case the gains ARE real. Small, but real. Air
> filters are also 
> > another simple bolt-on that has documented gains.
> Again, small,but 
> > measureable. Measureable does not mean you will
> notice it in 
> > driving! For too many owners I can give a tip that
> costs NOTHING 
> but 
> > can improve gas mileage, safety, and handling.
> CHECK YOUR TIRE 
> > PRESSURES!
> > David Teitelbaum
> > vin 10757
> > 
> > 
> > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "welmoedj"
> <joe.dalton@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To avoid lengthy discussions that will result in
> WILL and WILL 
> NOT 
> > > battles I reply only one more time.
> > > 
> > > Recalls are no improvements that can be selected
> or ignored. They 
> > are 
> > > a must to assure safety and reliability. No
> more, no less.
> > > 
> > > Both of you tend to ignore the fact that there
> are parts that 
> > really 
> > > can improve handling, quality and performance
> even of the engine. 
> > > They raise the level of one's pleasure in
> driving, often at 
> little 
> > > cost. 
> > > Owners that really want their car to outperform
> other cars need 
> to 
> > > spend quite a lot of money ($K levels). Those
> may fall in the 
> > > category that buy stage III or go where Martin
> Gutkowski is 
> > heading?
> > > This applies to old and new cars alike, young
> and old(er) owners.
> > > E.g. the guys that own pepped Hondas etc.
> > > 
> > > I am not going for a concours car. However I do
> not want to put a 
> > > muscle car engine in my D either. Somewhere in
> between is the 
> area 
> > > that I fit in. Improve my joy in driving the D
> by doing the 
> little 
> > > things that help handling and improve its
> overall performance.
> > > 
> > > Regarding Bill Robertsons input, I am not alone
> in this vision.
> > > Though I recognize your expertise in regard with
> the D, it seems 
> > to 
> > > me you're stuck in the proverbial circle of
> keeping it stock.
> > > So stick to your "religion", but I am not a
> believer in your 
> flock.
> > > Your "elderly" word is not taken for granted by
> me, but each time 
> > > weighed for its value and usefulness to achieve
> my goal.
> > > 
> > > Welmoed.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "David
> Teitelbaum" <jtrealty@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My point EXACTLY! Too many times someone will
> replace old, worn 
> > out 
> > > > parts with some new "performance" part. They
> get a big 
> > difference 
> > > > and give all of the credit to the
> "performance" part when in 
> > fact 
> > > > ANY new part would have given the same
> improvement. This is NOT 
> > the 
> > > > way to compare stock vs performance parts. In
> the real world it 
> > is 
> > > > rare to be able to bolt on a part and get much
> if any 
> > improvement 
> > > > over stock. If it was that easy the factory
> would have done it! 
> > > Now, 
> > > > with that said there ARE some things that can
> help. Better air 
> > > > filters, synthetic oil, fuel additives, Water
> Wetter, and the 
> > many 
> > > > upgrades that fix the known and common
> Delorean problems 
> > including 
> > > > the recalls are things that can improve the
> car. 
=== message truncated ===

Ron Peters
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