Don't have my production numbers with me in DC, so this is all off the top of my head: DeLorean: 6,500 still on the road = 81% survival rate (26 years on). Obvious failures. Edsel: Ford in its infinite wisdom decided to build them on another vehicle's assembly line (Fairlane if I recall correctly). Every 15th or 18th vehicle was an Edsel. Workers hated it -- had to switch everything for one single vehicle, then back to business as usual. Build quality of course wasn't worth sh*t. The car was a fine design so riddled with execution errors as to be virtually undrivable (unless rebuilt by the dealer). Contrast to the little silver cars referenced above.... Gremlin: The Gremlin and the Hornet are basically the same car on two different floorpans (with exterior sheetmetal differences of course). That same engineering transferred *VERBATIM* to the Spirit/Concord series (again: sheetmetal differences, and interior changes, but same engineering). That same engineering transferred *AGAIN* (with little change related only to the 4 wheel drive front end) to the Eagle series, this time keeping its sheetmetal and interiors. AMC lived off the same vehicle for the last 18 years of its independent existence.... Pacer: AMC built 300,000 of them as I recall -- quite a failure story, eh? (See the little silver car above). The problem with the Pacer was it couldn't morph into anything else, which is what AMC desperately needed (see Gremlin/Hornet above). Got to go now and drive my worst ever DeLorean to Maryland. Tomorrow we head back to North Carolina. Think the poor thing will make it? Bill Robertson #5939 >--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Bob Brandys <BobB@...> wrote: > > http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html > > > The 58 Edsel has safety glass all around, and padded dash. It was > designed as a safer car. > 1961 Corvair. What about the other years? This was a great > economical car. > 1970 Gremlin. Ever drive one? These were fun and inexpensive. > 1975 Bricklin SV-1. Ever drive one? You could walk away from a head > on collision at 50 mph. This was before air bags. This was a great > vehicle concerned with safety and performance. > > 1981 DeLorean. This guy must have never driven one. He is an idiot. > > 1997 GM EV1. These were great fully electric cars. They were fast > and didn't need gasoline, tune-ups, starters, water pumps, fuel pumps, > alternators, etc. They required so little maintenance that they scared > the shit out of GM and their part suppliers. GM destroyed over $4 > million worth of new electric vehicles, 1 year before, gasoline > tripled in price. They did this when they were LOOSING 1 billion > dollars. It did not make economic sense- unless Cheney and his oil > buddies bribed GM executives Want to guess what these electrics would > be worth today? > > A toyota RAV 4 electric sold for $65,000. A 1998 Dodge Van sold for > over $50,000. This was more than twice their new price. Gee, I don't > know of any other new car that doubles in value. > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:dmcnews-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:dmcnews-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/