You are correct in that the actual horsepower isn't the most important thing. Even torque is not an actual limit. The shock-loading is. Letting up on the clutch with all that horsepower and torque suddenly is what does the damage. Hard shifting, missed shifts, jack-rabbit starts are the real killers. You can probably go to over 300 horsepower if you can control yourself and not abuse the transmission. Unfortunatley once you get that power you want to use it. Things may not break the first time you dump the clutch but the damage is cumulative. The 5-speed may be more robust than the automatic but everything has it's limits and we can argue over exactly where they are. The bottom line is that if you increase the power output of the motor you can expect other links in the drivetrain to fail. A "proper" design MUST take into account ALL aspects of any modifacations to the whole system. You also have to consider longevity. Since I know of the limits set by Fred Dellis I have to assume he was trying to keep things together for a long time since the mods they were planning on were to be on new cars sold with a warranty so you can't have transmissions blowing up under 50,000 miles! If you only need the trans to last 5,000 miles (or less) you can set different design limits. Race cars are rebuilt after a very limited # of miles or races. They try to get the most out of the least that they must use for weight, power, and fuel economy reasons. The price of the parts is not as big a factor. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Martin Gutkowski - DMC Ltd <martin@...> wrote: > > Hi David > > I fear we may have locked horns over this one before so we'll have to > agree to disagree on these points with reference to the 5 speed > transmission. You're absolutely correct on the 3 speed. I am in contact To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/