Hey Brian, thank you. how thick is such a collar ? If you still want to install the clip on top of the balljoint, then it can be only less than a millimeter ?!? Elvis Elvis, I don't have a picture of the reinforcing collars by themselves, but I added a picture of them installed in the Photos area (PJ Grady Ball Joint Reinforcement Collar album). Rob should chime in on the specifics, but the collars press onto the control arms first, then the ball joints are pressed in. The collars just "beef-up" the thin flange that holds the ball joint in place. -Brian VIN# 4494 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/