I never took the joint apart so you are right, I do not want to spread any misinformation. Anyway the ideal (if it can be achieved) is to have a joint that fits onto an origional trailing arm (with minor modifacations), can be captured in the event of a single point failure, does not rely on 1 critical bolt, moves in 2 planes of motion, and is compliant. The Pierce design comes close on most of these points. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 -- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Bryan Pearce <bryanp@...> wrote: > > David, > > Your posting is incorrect regarding the design and operation of the > Pearce Design trailing arm mounting system. > > You state that the Pearce Design doesn't have any compliance (rubber) > so it transmits vibration into the frame. However, had you ever > driven a DeLorean with the new trailing arms or examined one, you > would be aware that rubber does isolate the Heim joint by capturing > each end of a Rear Control Arm Pin. This is not apparent without > disassembling the joint. A picture is worth a thousand words, so > please look at a drawing of the system: > > http://www.pearce-design.com/TrailingArmMount.gif > > Just to be clear, I don't THINK this design works, I KNOW it does. > The prototype frame and trailing arm system has over 120,000 miles on > it and several more production frames are accumulating miles every day. > > If anyone has specific questions about this system or the PermaFrame > please feel free to contact me, understand the design or issue in > question, and then post accurate information to the DML. > > Bryan Pearce > > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:56 PM, David Teitelbaum wrote: > > > I am familiar with the Pierce design. It requires a redesigned > > trailing arm. I was asking out loud for a retrofit that could make use > > (if possible) of the origional trailing arm while being able to use a > > Heim Joint. The Pierce design doesn't not have any compliance (rubber) > > so it transmits vibration into the frame. The ideal joint would be > > flexible in 2 planes of motion AND isolate the frame from road > > vibration. It should also have a way to fail without letting the wheel > > move too far out-of-place and not be subject to a single point failure > > (1 bolt). It also has to be adjustable so you can set the thrust angle > > of the rear wheels. A tall order which is why we have what we have! I > > agree we can live with it but IMHO it is an item that should be > > regularly inspected and if properly taken care of we can live with it > > as it is. > > David Teitelbaum > > vin 10757 > > > > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/