Nathan, Check to voltage from the starter on the blue/yellow going to the TTS switch while your wife is turning the car over. Either a loose connection or a bad solenoid. You may want to send me the cold start to check out or touch 12 volts across the terminals, but don't hold it to see if you have a click. John Hervey www.specialtauto.com -----Original Message----- From: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of valleyrat12 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:49 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] Thermal time swich circuit problem, strange need help! OK, my cold start valve will not fire unless the hot start relay is installed. I removed the thermal time switch connector and touched the Black/Blue wire to ground while my wife cranked the car: cold start valve fires fuel (with hot start relay removed). OK, so normally that means the thermal time switch is bad. I just installed a new one today and the problem persists with the same symptoms. The cold start valve will only fire if A: the hot start relay is installed or B: I touch the Blue/Black wire to ground. I am assuming that the switch simply grounds the Blue/Black wire to complete the circuit. Is this assumption correct? I have jumped the case of the thermal time swich to a known good ground (thinking that someone used Teflon tape somewhere) to no effect. If I touch the other wire Blue/Yellow to ground it shorts out and gets very hot. In the schematic the two wires simply connect to the two terminals on the cold start valve, it does not display how the thermal time switch completes the circuit. My skill at reading schematics is not all that great, perhaps I am missing something. I apologize for taking so much space on the board, I just can't figure this issue out! Thanks in advance for any help. Nathan 2277 To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/