Tom, Again, I don't know how your car is wired or not wired, but I went out to a car last night and with no key just opened it up and stepped on the brake and the brake lights came on. If you have one that is wired different, then that can be part of the problem. It will also be the first one I have seen or heard about. Take a look at the diagram and you will see what I mean and maybe you can tell me what's going on so I can make a modification. There are other places to pull power from. John Hervey -----Original Message----- From:Tom Watkins Subject: [DML] Headlight Saver John, In my particular case this green/purple wire is not hot all the time. I used a meter to check it out. It is only hot when the key is in the "on" position. Therefore with the car off and no key position #1 or #2 I got no parking lights, running lights or A/C panel lights. To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/