Paul, Note that the opinions expressed here are mine alone, and may not reflect the views of my employer, DeLorean Motor Company (Texas). ----------- This is a long story, and old history. The cast of characters have changed over the last 8 years or so, and certainly roles they all play (mine included) have changed. For a trip down memory lane, however, start with the link Mike Babb provided: http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/aug97files/dml269.html and work your way forward. As a bit of background that may or may not be there (I don't recall what I wrote at the time), from summer 95 through sometime in 96 or so, I was a Board member of the DOA, traveling from AZ to CA for the monthly board meetings at my own expense. I was the only non-Southern California board member, and youngest by a good 15-20 years (I was 28-29 yrs old then). Because at the time I had what the DOA wanted (internet experience), I found myself a part of the "in" clique among the board members. One of the ways the DOA stayed in power so long was by controlling information - service, technical, even member rosters - and I was for disseminating information to all interested owners and enthusiasts. I bumped heads with the then president (and DeLorean One owner) Ed Bernstein increasingly until finally I became fed up and resigned when at a board members "planning weekend" he insulted and berated a former DOA regional club coordinator and personal friend of mine. In hindsight, I should have stayed on the board and tried to change things from the inside. I've since come to realize that my resignation was probably what Ed wanted all along, and he hit all the right "buttons" to get me to resign. After my resignation, I continued to moderate the DML, which I started about the same time I joined the DOA board in Aug 1995. I allowed postings which aired the DOA's "dirty laundry" (which I knew to be true from my experience as a board member). This led to the letter referenced in the link above. I also poked and prodded via the DML and other means to try to get changes to the DOA as a regular member, which I'm sure contributed to some degree to the lawyer letter I received. The DOA did many things other than this to alienate members, and like Marty, I suspect the reason they are offering the 3 year/back issue deal now is because they are out of or nearly out of funds, but as they've failed for whatever reason to publish a treasurer's report for years (which used to be required in the by-laws, though they may have changed that to suit them, too), that's just speculation. They got in this position by having failed to change with the times to present an appealing package to members and their inability to put together a well-attended national event. The format change of "DeLorean World" to "dw" was also not well-received by members, though in all truthfulness, in the last 10 years or so before that change, the content quality of "DeLorean World" had declined as well by most people's accounts. The DOA may have had 7,000 cumulative members over the years, but I doubt they EVER had more than 2000 at any given time. While I was on the board, memberships were hovering at about 1500. You used to be able to tell how many members (more or less) they had because a certain percentage were required to be nominated for the board, and that percentage, reported as a numerical figure (ie 50 members), could be used to extrapolate how many members were on board at that time. I think that requirement has been scrapped, as well. My guess is that the DOA now has about 500 active members, possibly less (not counting whoever they may have signed up as a result of this recent postcard mailing). When I was on the board we used to figure about about 10% of the active members would attend an expo, and in Nashville 1996, than was about 150-175, IIRC. Using that same model, the last expo in Long Beach I heard drew about 40-50 people (board not included). Is there still a need for an organization like the DOA? Now that we have several robust local owner groups around the world, the DCS and DMC (Texas) shows, three good magazines to choose from, the DeLorean Owners Directory (another idea of mine that the DOA refused to implement, so I created one through the DML) and the mailing list and new DMCHelp.com forums, no, I don't think a need for the DOA exists any longer. What will they offer that is markedly different or better than any of those things just mentioned? And at a price that is competitive or better than what is already available? I appreciate their newfound interest in appealing to prospective members, no doubt brought on by the changes in the board, and perhaps the realization that the ship was sinking. I wish Tony, Sascha and the others the best of luck, and hope that their offerings to the DeLorean community in the future are intended to bring everyone together than to keep everyone in the dark as in the past. James Espey Again, note that the opinions expressed here are mine alone, and may not reflect the views of my employer, DeLorean Motor Company (Texas). To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! 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