I have to agree with Dave S. Not only are you talking about accessing an area that with proper maintainence is rarely entered, believe it or not, many owners do not do their own mechanical work so they do not give a damm how hard it is for a mechanic to, for instance, bleed the clutch. I do have to agree with you that removing the cross-over pipe does give you much better access (on my turbo car I can get in there easy!) but it is lost on most of the group. Besides, many people will keep their cars stock and only do or spend money on things that they HAVE to. Your repeating this will not convert many to your point of view no matter how well intentioned. I would rather see most owners replace the old cooling system hoses and seals but too many are still running on origional parts. Now THAT is something that should be insisted on! I would say you have to access the "Valley of Death" every 20 years or so no matter if it needs it or not. It doesn't have to be "easy" if that is how often you do it and no amount of easy access is going to help if you have to deal with broken bolts! We each have our point-of-view on how to do things and the order in which they should be done, many may agree with your point-of-view, and others may not. Repeating will not change most people's minds. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "content22207" <brobertson@xxxx> wrote: > My concern was actually accessing the Valley of Death, not modifying > exhausts. How many times have I suggested remounting a stock crossover > pipe with stainless hardware? > > I did not realize my presence in your eremitic little cloister, er > newsgroup, had become so burdensome. Lord knows there are 1,001 other > things I need to attend to, so I wish you the best of success in your > endeavors as our ownership experiences now diverge, only one of which > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/