One problem with your argument from actual experience: When Virginia started tailpipe testing, no distinction was made for cars not originally equipped with catalytic converters. Every car had to pass the same emissions requirements irrespective of year of manufacture (the idea was to retrofit them). My best buddy had a 1970 Buick in proper tune, sans converters of course. Passed the test no problem. Virginia's emissions requirements have since been re-written so pre-converter cars are not tested. Same with seat belts BTW. If you're so concerned about emissions devices, why are you not promoting EGR and air injection retrofits on DeLoreans. They were standard issue on F Series Volvos and surely would reduce our emissions even more. The mere presence of catalytic converters does not account for: - Improper tuning - Excessive engine wear - Harmful driving habits Perhaps those should be legislated as well? Europeans have managed to avoid our EPA regulations by discouraging excessive automobile use and providing practical transportation alternatives. Their urban planning is totally opposite of ours -- in Europe you generally travel TOWARDS the center of a town, in America you generally travel AWAY FROM the center of town. Europeans have seamlessly integrated airplanes and other forms of transit (don't be surprised if the last leg of a Lufthansa ticketed journey is made on the ICE). Americans, in contrast, will drive more than 100 miles to catch a plane (no other choice...). Europeans walk more than Americans, and not in circles around a track -- it's an accepted way to transport themselves. In America it is perfectly normal and common to drive to the Post Office to mail a single letter, or to the grocery store to buy a single item -- insanity to Europeans. I know it's not politically vogue to look admiringly across the Atlantic these days, but the Europeans could teach us Americans a thing or two -- without catalytic converters on our cars! Bill Robertson #5939 >--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Gus Schlachter <gus@xxxx> wrote: > Yes, please do disable your catalytic converter. While you're at it, pour > your used oil down the drain, leave the old antifreeze out for animals to > drink, and just throw your old tires over the fence (set them on fire > first to really give your neighbors a thrill). Old batteries make nice > lawn ornaments. > > All sarcasm aside, the catalytic converter will reduce harmful emissions > substantially while having only a trivial impact on performance. A > display of callus disregard for emissions will only encourage more > stringent environmental laws that restrict the use of classic automobiles, > or in some cases even promote their destruction. > > > > Gus Schlachter > VIN #4695 <---two headers, two cats, two hundred > horses > Austin, TX > > > > > > If emissions testing is not an issue, you can simply hollow out the > catalytic converter. Increases exhaust sound somewhat. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/