That explains why exhaust systems rust from the inside out. Not how the hardware deteriorates so badly. The reason the exterior of the exhaust system rusts so much has to do with the extreme temperatures it operates at and the thermal cycling. Mild steel disintegrates quickly at these extremes. This is the reason many go to other materiels like stainless steel, brass hardware, and things like Never-Seize. BTW short trips are MURDER on exhaust systems. They never get hot enough for the moisture to get completly evaporated so moisture (along with acids) accumulate in the system quickly rotting out the parts. In fact on many cars (not Deloreans) there is a small hole in the muffler to allow water to drain out so it won't sit in the muffler. If you store a car and run the motor for a few minutes once in a while to keep it "active" it is very bad to not run it long enough to reach operating temperature. In general to work on an exhaust system you need to heat the parts up before you try to take things apart. The hotter the better. Not doing that tends to break everything. Cutting the hardware is also a good strategy since most of it can't be reused anyway. At muffler shops they tend to "gut" the car prefering not to waste much time on the old parts which will fail soon anyway. They tend to want to do the whole system which on most modern cars means at least from the cat back. On old cars it meant from the exhaust manifold to the tailpipe. David Teitelbaum vin 10757 --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "content22207" <brobertson@xxxx> wrote: > > > The biggest byproduct of internal combustion is water vapor (burning > HYDROcarbons). That's why exhaust systems rust from the inside out. > That's also why a car that has never seen road or beach salt can have > ho To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/