Mark, No disrespect, But I was basing this on an article from 1987(see the photos section,under early Deloreans)that states that fact,these cars(pre# vin 648 or earlier)were NOT intended to be sold to the general public,yes they were coming down the factory assembly line,so that they were a early form of production car,but just like the black bodies, that came down the SAME production line, previous to these early cars, they were never intended to be sold to the general public, hence pre-production,if you look up these cars,you will find all of them became assigned cars,D.O.T. cars, mules,test cars,parts cars ect.If that was not the case,then where are they now,they should be as common as any other Delorean,yet they are few and far in between,as most were destroyed or used for parts at the factory or QAC.If I am NOT correct please explain to me were these cars are,as they are missing and only few are in existence.The ones that you see around today were only around because they happened to still be at,or being used for DMC business,when the factory shut down,so naturally the cars were liquidated for use to pay the creditors,otherwise none of these early cars would be around at all had the factory never folded.Plus the fact,that these were now, Factory used,tampered cars ect, they could NOT be sold as new production cars.I may be wrong(I have no proof)but I suspect,that the black bodies on these pre vin# 648 were from the actual lot of the pre 500 black bodies,that were produced before vin#500 started,they could have sorted out the good ones,and used them for that lot run,another reason,to start off with the first release of vin #649,to the general public. By the way vin 570 was NEVER sold from any DMC dealership,it came from a company that dealt with liquidations.(not kapac) Claude --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxx> wrote: > > Why do you say it was a factory engineering car?? > Production started with Vin 500. > > Claude used to claim his 570 was also "pre > production". I have yet to see any evidence that > these cars were anything other than "early > production". To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/