--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "turbodelorean" <dmcfan@xxxx> wrote: > These kits should be available in the very near future, around March. This kit is the true way to get HID lighting. This is not like the Xenarc kit or any other Xenon headlights that are available for the DeLorean.< Huh? "True" HID doesn't have to be projector based. I'll admit that projection based systems give better beam quality but to say reflector based systems are not true HID is incorrect. And no offense but your post sounds like a marketing ploy, one that needs a little more study (and a signature to boot). The Xenarcs are true HID but there is no question they're junk in both design and build quality. I feel bad for anyone who bought into their hype without doing some basic research. As long as these projectors are specifically match to the HID sources it'll work out. If not they'll look good but will be near worthless as lighting. One thing you're right about is any lighting upgrade that is done to a Delorean requires separate wiring directly from the battery with new relays. Use your old healight circuit to power the new relay's coils (located behind the grill) or remove the stock relays/sockets and jumper the wiring. Even good HID isn't all it's cracked up to be. They have multiple disadvantages (aside from the cost) with the worst being color rendition. The human eye's color perception and differentiation is far better under halogen lighting. Simply because HID's color temperature is closer to daylight isn't meaningful because there is evidence daylight is the wrong spectrum to use for night driving. Due to the way the eye works HID can also provide a false sense of security, an "illusion" of better sight. I'm no expert on this stuff but I know someone who is. For those interested you might want to take a look at here and poke around his technical pages: http://www.danielsternlighting.com I've known this guy for some time, he is one of the leading automotive lighting experts in North America and knows his business. He's testified in Congress on automotive lighting issues. If you don't want HID you could do far worse than consult with him on halogen products. There is a lot to know about HID and lighting in general. Installing HID simply because it looks "brighter" and whiter doesn't mean you'll see better. I know this from the many studies done on vision in the aerospace industry. I personally wouldn't pay for HID at half the price mentioned unless the sources and projectors were designed together as a set by experienced engineers of HID lighting. Even then they'll lack performance over a properly designed halogen system in some aspects. Beam quality and design is far more important than the type of light source employed. The Xenarcs were done by supposedly knowledgable people and they still turned out to be junk. It'd be nice to have more details but if this is a kit being assembled by a vendor from mixed parts I'd still run away from it at half the price. Any such system would also be illegal for use in the US without DOT approval and it won't be easy to obtain unless things are done right. Greg To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: moderators@xxxxxxxxxxx For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: dmcnews-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/