Hi Just wanted to pass on one thought on the show that came to me by a private e-mail/ I do share the operations of the show with you in hopes you get an understanding on what it takes to put this show on. I do not have to and no other group does. My books have always been open and were on display at PF and I usually bring it to club events. This helps me run a more efficient show financially. One Person asked me to change the way I charge and do it all Ala Carte. As you know the DOA does this and I love their events but I do pick and choose what I do because of cost. So I do not attend everything. And they have the people to staff it. The problem I have with an Ala Carte event is then I have to break down the event into mini events. It involves more staff (have to take tickets at each venue as well) and gets into a lot more paperwork on my end. Less free movement for you as well. I also think the owners loose out Are you willing to pay $10 for a T-shirt instead of having it avail free?? (early registration) Would you pay extra for the Pins Would you pay extra for the tech sessions Would you pay extra for the parts sales Would you pay extra for the car show itself. The answer is some would and some would not. And the overall cost of the show would go up as less people would attend each event. This show has grown partially because it is easy to register and still affordable. It still cost over $30 a plate (plus tax) for a dinner at a convention hall. If you think it does not then try to get a dinner quote from Pheasant Run for under $45. That is where their basic meal is (with volume there is some give and take) Even Pigeon Forge was $25 min.(no tax at this event in TN) Add to that the fact we need a place for the cars ( thousands here convention center and tents) The stage is extra Tents are extra Tables and chairs are extra And What about drinks we do supply free beverages (non alchohlic) Free breakfast at PF (in the convention center) So breaking this down and having lower attendance actually is of no benefit. I have heard people say why should I pay $50 for a meal You are not there is all of the above plus I have to pay for speakers and entertainment and and and. So I could charge $35 for the meal (plus tax) $50 for registration fee (as I have seen at some functions already) $10 per shirt $3.00 per pin $15 per parts sale $15 for seminars $10 for beverages $8 breakfast etc. and as you see the reason the price is higher is because you now have to select to stay in a budget. Less people at the vendor sales and tech sessions means they are less likely to make money and less likely to return if sales are off. I will sell less shirts so it will not offset the meals and free t-shirts and I will have to charge more per person since the overhead costs are divided per person (it has to get paid for somehow) I like the method of a set price for the meal that includes everything for the evening. the registration fee could be divided over the meals but I do need some cash to operate up front. (name tags and items like that do cost (thanks 3M)). The purpose of this e-mail is not to justify cost since I am going to charge what it cost to put this show on since I have no choice but it is in my opinion a much better value if more people are able to attend everything. Cost at this show cannot be a major factor at over 500 so I think pricing is still working. The only change I will instill in the next show because of the number of people is that I have had problems with seating since I have a set number of paid guest for dinner. There are some that come only for the entertainment and do not get dinner and the past two shows this number has grown. After the show ends at 5:00 we will clear out the conference center and you will need a dinner ticket to come back in. It cost me $200 to set up more tables at PF. We have all age groups from 16 to (help me Murray 86?) coming. The number of tech sessions has increased dramatically from the first show. And a lot more has happened with the show. Room costs have gone up, entertainment has gone up, food has gone up, but the cost of this show has stayed relatively flat over the years. The unexpected costs and cost overruns have been paid by the raffles. There are a lot of so called Free bees since the structure works at this volume. I can deal better and not get stuck in a detail oriented event. So you get the savings and can do everything at a lower cost. I did this only because the Ala Carte thing comes up now and again but if you do things Ala Carte anywhere else it usually means only one thing MORE COST TO YOU. If money is left over you get it back Remember free donuts in Cleveland and free breakfast at PF(joint effort there) Pheasant run will be about $20 per person more than PF so expect that reflected in the pricing. I am going there next week to work on a few more details so I can get some actual numbers together. Remember an indoor show costs significantly more than an outdoor one. But if it rains it is the difference in a good show or a bust. We are too big to rely on weather. Hope this helps it is just FYI and I hope you all understand I do the best I can to get you the best speakers and entertainment I can for you at the best price. See you in Pheasant Run. 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