Another option is to use white gold. It's an alloy of platinum and gold. The lower the number (10k, 14k, 18k, 24k, etc.) the lower the gold content, and thus the tougher the ring is going to be. If you find a good jeweler, they can fabricate you anything, but it will cost you. They can likely make you a custom die, that way there could be more copies made. As you seem well aware of, there's also the copyright issue. You can always CALL James and see what he has to say. He's actually a truly friendly guy, and has gone out of his way to help me on many occasions. Maybe you can have these made, and sell them to DMC-Houston. You never know until you call. Good luck and keep us informed about this project :-). Louie Golden VIN 5252 NC plates "88 MPH" _____________________________________________________________ Buy and sell stocks in NFL teams! Get paid dividends every time your team wins! Free limited-time trial at http://www.AllSportsMarket.com/Index.asp?Refer=delomail