In a message dated 10/16/2003 10:41:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, louie@xxxx writes: OK... I've been wanting to start a thread on this for a while... I guess I'm feeling controversial. I bring this up because of a comment Ken Koncelik recently made replying to a post about me looking for a nice driver for under $20k. He responded by saying that I really can't find a nice driver for under $20k anymore. I was somewhat taken aback by this because this is simply another tactic people are employing to raise the DeLorean's values. A lot of people really want to see the car's values go up, so they put asking prices of their cars up high, and then drop little subtleties like this (I hope you don't take offense Ken... I'm just singling you out like I often do to Rich W). Louie I don't take any offense to the comment all I want is for you to look at the car that you showed me that you were going to buy for $19K. I saw the facias needed repaint, the cars black parts had been repainted and not well done, the mileage was higher and It needed work. The frame was reasonable but it needed a real good cleaning. You are the one that said that this is the car that you felt was worth $19K to replace yours. There is no little subtlety here or a tactic. and I said a NICE car. I sold a NICE car that will be in Pigeon Forge for $19. Should of sold it for $23K. You get what you pay for. After you fix up the car and do what you need to do you will have $23K to $25K in the car. but I am sure you will put in sweat equity as well. I'll be glad to sell you a car with low miles and a spotless frame for $26K. Well below the asking price of many others. Its on my web page so people can see what I call a clean car. You can buy a car for $10K. and I have bought a lot of cars in this range. All of them needed a lot of work and if it had been done at a shop would have brought the price right back up to around $18 to $20. Most peopel feel and deservedly so that their cars are worth the mid to upper teens. This is in an as is state so I'll stick with my comment. No offense here either. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]