thanks for all the help...i got some emails on the side as well as help from some other people. Walt in florida also let me know that he suspected the number 8 fuse.....The strange thing is i looked at the 8 fuse earlier and it looked okay...I decided to replace it anyway after getting some responces and now it all works. Also, my a/c panel bypass works now too. thanks to everyone for helping...the moral here is to not look at your fuses and assume they are working. Some say replace all fuses when you buy the car so you know they are all working....I have to agree its cheap electrical insurance. Mike C 2109 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]