Moderator comments on this - we actually cut this discussion off a long time ago because we were asked to by Ken, the guy helping Lee out. It is my understanding that there are, in comparison to the population of the list (over a thousand) comparatively few people that got hosed on this deal (maybe 20 or so). Maybe its time to write it off and move on. Or take legal action if you think it's really worth it. Complaining to 1000 people who have nothing to do with Lee or the model isn't going to accomplish anything. I let it start up again this time because it seemed like some new info had come to light, that there may be some people involved who had not hooked up with the impacted group, and it was interesting to hear what was "in the box". Most people never opened it. At this point I'm ready to cut it off again unless someone has some new information. We're not interested in seeing who can say the most negative things about Lee, it won't do any good and won't do the list any good politically or legally. Lee is not a subscriber to this list, so complaining here doesn't really do anything to solve your problem. If someone knows the URL to the mailing list that Ian mentioned that is specifically made up of people burned on this deal I'll let that post so that you can figure out as a group (class) what to do. That is where any further discussion of legalities should be had. Dave Swingle --- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Tom Watkins <dmctom@xxxx> wrote: > I think that the moderation team is correct in letting this topic back. > Someone had asked the questions as to why the topic of Lee Sieler was > frowned upon in the past. It is my belief that it was due to the fact > that Lee was making reproduction DMC keys and was the only source for > these items. The fear was that if we as a group, offended Lee he would > stop making the keys.