--- In dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker@xxxx> wrote: <SNIP> > BTW, I guess I am one of the lucky ones. I've had my > model for over two years. However, I have never > opened the box, saving it for ??????. Now I wonder if > I should see what is really inside. > > Dick Ryan > VIN 16867 Now that is a question that I can answer. Basicly, it's a cannibalized BTTF model kit (I know, because I once built one). The bottom chassis section, the glass sections, wheels, tires, and decals are all from a BTTF kit. Even the decal sheet has the BTTF logo and panels on it, and the model also has the "hover mode" suspension. It looks exactly as though someone opened up a BTTF kit, and moved everything right on over. With the exception of the body shell. That is the same exact one as you get with the original kit. But, the holes in the body to fit the flux dispersal coils have been filled, and the power cables that run along the fenders have been filed off. The entire shell has then been recast in the same resin as the other custom parts to reflect these mods. But, as this is a modified BTTF kit, there is no engine in the engine compartment to speak of. I'm not trying to knock it though, and here's why. You truly can customize the model to your own liking. Included are 3 unique bonnets (lines w/gas flap, lines w/o flap, and flat w/neither). There is a set of louvers included for the back, and it comes with a little underbody section so you can have fully functioning doors that open. And yes, little tiny functioning torsion bars are included. I have not assembled my kit, nor do I really plan to. It's a nice little peice of memorabilia to have in many respects of both general DeLorean items, and the rare ones that people seek out. Other than that, the kit looks like a pain to put together if you ever decided to assemble it with the opening doors, and bonnet. You have to cut allot of parts with great precsion from what I've seen. And I'm more of a "file it 'till it fits" type of person :p That of course, and the fact that while I recall that when the model was first built, it was stated that extra parts would be available. Now with the current situation others have had just getting the models, I'm not sure that I could so easily get the smaller bits if I broke them. Plus some of the pieces are shrink wrapped when shipped. The bonnets for example were wrapped too tight, and the edges on one of them is chipped a bit. I don't regret buying the model at all, as it is a nice collection piece to have. Although due to the small bit of controversy surrounding it, it's scarity, and the what little is realy known about it, it's a nice little item that usually only "hard-core" collectors would go after. The first (and only time I remember) the model appeared on eBay, there were indeed quite a few willing buyers. Soon after that, I believe that there was an annoucement made by Lee that due to the high price that was reflected on eBay, the prices of new models that were to be sold would increase accordingly. So the model does indeed have quite a story to go along with it. As far as the legal issues involved with everyone else goes, I'm staying out of that one. I've had absolutely no dealings with Lee Seiler. I purchased my model from someone who recieved theirs from Lee directly. So on the subject of obtaining one from him, or contacting him, I've nothing at all to offer. But I can say that if you're looking for a model to customize, I'd advise using the Sunstar as a begining point. However,if you're going to build a nice respectable collection of unique memorabilia, and are looking for items that are hard to find, I'd reccomend adding the Seiler model to your list in case you ever run across it. -Robert vin 6585 "X"