Sounds like you still have some air trapped in the system. The master cylinder should be bled before bleeding the rest of the system. Then you will need to bleed the lines again. You might also have an air leak at the bleed nipples. Try a little teflon tape on the threads, and open the nipples just enough to get fluid flow. A power bleeder really helps - one that pushes fluid through the master cylinder rather than a system that pulls through the calipers. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Soma576@xxxx [mailto:Soma576@xxxx] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:19 AM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [DML] brakes need bleeding again? List, this weekend i installed stainless braided brake lines and a new master cylinder. we flushed and bled the system with castrol GTLMA. now it seems like my brakes aren't quite as responsive as they used to be. they go down a little further than they used to and it takes more force to get the same stopping power. i checked all the connections and nothing seems to be leaking so i assume the system is good and sealed. does this mean i should bleed the brakes again? does the master cylinder need to be seperately bled? any help is greatly appreciated. Andy