So the question is, "Do you have to spend $30K to get a good D?" Judging by your choice of words, with "good" being the key word, I am inclined to say no. I will remind the list that there has been extensive coverage in the past on how much money it takes to have a "good" D, that being the $20K rule. For those who don't know the $20K rule is price of car plus price of repair equals $20K. Most owners on the list agree this is a pretty good rule of thumb. Now, if you wish to have a better than good D, then anything you spend over $20K will get you closer to a great or excellent D. By the time your total investment gets to $30K+, you will have yourself a great D, which could or could not be nicer than a DMC Houston refurb car depending on what you want. That is my outlook on the scenario anyway, hope it helped. Regards, Darren Decker #5000 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]