Scott sounds very knowledgeable. I used the Crimestopper 2001FC model, and it interfaced with the lock module well. It also gave me a dual stage unlock-- but I use the second stage to pop the driver's door. The trunk open pops the passenger door, and third output might someday do the trunk but I don't know why-- my trunk has always been a two-hand operation no matter how I try to adjust it. -Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Scott Gardner [mailto:gardners14@xxxx] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:42 PM To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [DML] anyone know a decent alarm? Casey, What you need is a "dual-stage" shock sensor, and most alarms have them these days. They provide for a "pre-alarm" chirp in response to light taps, and a full-on alarm in response to harder impacts. Both levels of sensitivity are adjustable. Let me start off by saying that you don't have to be concerned about finding some special exotic alarm to go with a DeLorean. As far as alarms are concerned, the DeLorean is just like most other cars out there--twelve volt, negative ground, with electrically-operated locks. If you had a six-volt car with positive ground and vacuum-operated locks, your choices would be more limited and more ingenuity would be required, but that's not the case here. That being said, there are four things I would certainly look for in a potential alarm. Look for one that has a lock/unlock pulse length of at least one second. That's pretty standard now, but some older alarms might have a pulse that's too short to adequately active the solenoids. Also, if you plan to have the alarm flash your parking lights, look for fused parking light outputs. Without them, a thief can remove one of your parking light lenses and bulb, stuff some tinfoil in the socket, and then set off your alarm, shorting out the processor and disabling the alarm. Lastly, find out if the starter-kill circuit is "normally-open" or "normally-closed". These is also called "fail-secure" or "fail-safe". With a normally-open/fail-secure type, if the alarm brain dies, you won't be able to start the car. With a normally-closed/fail-safe type, you will still be able to start the car with a dead alarm brain, but it will be slightly easier for a thief to steal your car if he can disable/destroy the alarm. You'll have to decide which is more important to you. Lastly, get an alarm with "passive arming", which automatically arms the alarm after the last door is closed. This type is usually required for any kind of insurance discount. I thought that this was pretty much standard these days, but I've recently seen some very full-featured alarms that did not passively arm. Regarding the brand of alarm, decide first what your needs are. Do you want two-way paging between the car and your transmitter? Do you want to remotely-start the vehicle? Want a starter kill? A mechanical hood lock? How many outputs do you need for things like door lock/unlock, hood/trunk release, remote door opening, etcetera? How many and what type of sensors do you want? (Doors, hood, trunk, radar, microwave, glass-breakage, shock, etcetera) With alarms, there's a *very* wide spectrum of quality. Also know that there are relatively few companies actually manufacturing alarms. Many different brands are just "re-boxed" versions of the same alarms. You can't really go wrong with DEI (Clifford, Viper, Python), or Ungo. Crimestopper is pretty fair overall, but I wouldn't get their "top-of-the-line" remote starter/pager version, the CS2005FM. They didn't design that one, it's just another company's alarm that Crimestopper re-boxed, and after installing several of them, I can tell you the quality just isn't there. Stay away from Alphaguards, Sparkomatic, Audiovox (Prestige), and any alarm that only comes in a "white-box" OEM version. These are the alarms I mentioned earlier that are all made in the same factory, then put in white boxes and distributed to two dozen different "companies" that just put their own labels on the boxes and units. I know that some people have installed $89 alarms and been very happy with them for years, but the better alarms are easier to install, work more reliably, and are easier to have serviced if anything does go wrong. Hope this helps, Scott Gardner [moderator snip]