OK after thinking about it some more, I agree that using the frequency valve data, is not the way to go. ? I imagine that it only trims the fuel pressure and therefore the flow to maintain a closer match for the air fuel ratio. ? After all Bosch has a system just like ours that does not use a frequency valve at all. That HAL401 looks interesting and they are sending me some samples. ? The only thing I don't like is that you have to add the weight of a magnet to the air flow plate. ? This may throw off the mixture. ? For a given air flow, the plate will have moved down a bit more than it used to and, if I understand the system properly, will cause a higher pressure and thus more fuel to the injectors. ? Ah, yes but the Lambda sensing this should let the frequency valve do a bit of compensation. ? Will it be enough? ? Another thing is what happens when the magnet falls into the intake manifold. ? (Hey I'm a firm believer in Murphy's Law.)? Which bring me to the following question. ? Does anyone know what the 10 mm bolt that holds the air flow plate to the 'arm" is screwed into? ? Is there a nut on the underside or is the arm tapped. ? I would hate to unscrew it and have the nut fall into the intake. ? Does anyone have a better diagram of the "mixture control unit "? that would answer that question? ? Maybe someone already has taken one of those things apart and knows. ? I suppose if the arm were tapped the you could carefully remove the bolt and washer and maybe magnetize the screw. ? I believe both the screw and the washer are made of magnetizable metal, i.e., steel. Another way to go might be a reflective optical sensor, I ordered one from www.allelectronics.com, one of my favorite parts suppliers The part is a Vactec 21L900.? All Electronics, has some really small and very powerful neodymium magnets, too In the interim, I am still waiting to receive the AUDI 5000 trip computer I won on ebay. ? As I mentioned before, I read info on the net that the AUDI Bosch system has a potentiometer attached to the air flow plate pivot and uses that for the trip computer sensor. ? Can we do something like that? ? I also tried to build a solid state anemometer. ? I found the response to an air flow was good but when the air stopped it took too much time to settle down. ? It uses a plastic transistor as itts sensor. ? I built it because I believe that some OEMs use an anemometer setup to measure air flow, i.e. the AIR MASS SENSOR. ? They usually use a "hot wire technique" which I could not find a circuit for other than a block diagram. ? The sensor of a hot wire system is also usually very fragile, but I would imagine much more responsive. ? I did read about a circuit that used the filament from a light bulb, with out the glass envelope, but I could not find the circuit. ? Hey is there a word limit on posts? ? Eagerly, awaiting your responses, Dave & 6530