Good grief, *2* pages of new messages. I know who WASN'T outside freezing their b'doobies off this weekend working on their D's... I do know a thing or two about parts cars. Have a driveway full of them. I buy parts and intstall them in the cars... To prospective owners considering a fixer-upper of any kind, please consider whether vehicle is at least roadable. Inconvenience of a car that can't leave driveway under its own power is exponentially greater than the asphalt actually consumed. I have 2 driving lanes and STILL get frustrated when one's out of service. Am single, but imagine stress on marriage from dead vehicle is probably disproportionately larger too. And the biggest source of frustration must be to the proud new owner -- it takes a PATIENT man to pour money and energy into a car that only travels in his own mind (kudos Dave Stragand and Rick Gendreau). Few people are willing to let their car sit at a repair establishment and soak up money until some nebulous point in the future. Same principle applies in your own driveway. Re: out of service DeLoreans -- these are especially aggravating due to attention lavished by curious neighbors and passers by. They all want to see the car *GO*, and are vocally disappointed when it doesn't. Of course they're not the ones laying in the driveway covered in grease. Have discovered that these people are usually dressed much finer and tend to cut conversation short when you stand close in the greasy coveralls and explain (use lots of gestures with greasy hands) why car is on jack stands... FWIW: my SS (Stainless Steel) Titanic is definitely a fixer-upper, mostly interior. But she does run (3000 miles and counting). Is of course never for resale. 1001 ongoing irritants until I am able to fix them, but those alone could not prompt a parting. Would I feel so strongly if the car and I had NOT spent time on the road? Bill Robertson #5939