[NOTE: ICE is euro-speak for "In-Car-Electronics". Not a common term in North America] Hi Andy First off I should explain that I'm no ICE expert. I CAN read through some of the rubbish spouted by so-called "audiophiles" and hi-fi shops however. At the end of the day, the best ICE system for you, is the one that sounds best _to_you_. Just remember a couple of things: The lower the frequency of the sound, the less easy it is for your ears to localise the sound. Putting tweeters in the dash is a very GOOD idea because the sound rebounds off the windscreen strait to your ears. Both my other two cars had/have tweeters in the dash facing up towards the windscreen, supplemented by drivers in the kick-panels. In my old BX the enclosure created by the door was more than enough to reinforce the bass produced by the set of JBL components I used in it. In the DeLorean, very similar speakers used in the rear quarters, did not produce a good bass response due to lack of enclosure. The positining however, IS very good. I use my luggage shelf a lot and did not like the idea of speakers taking up room when there was a perfectly usable space meant for them. I also took heed of the warning about placing a big magnet next to such important electronics/electrics. Bottom line: You can get some pretty decent mid-top speakers that will mount into the dash in the original position - I used a set of JBLs because they fall neatly in that niche between "overpriced" and "low quality", being neither. I replaced the rears with component pairs incorporating a 5" bass driver which reinforces the mid range nicely complementing the front speakers. The system still lacks bass, and IMO you'll never get decent bass without either creating a complex speaker cabinet in the rear quarters (and there is plenty of room, it's just a really wierd shape). Or adding a bass box. I don't really use my "cubby hole" behind the driver's seat and have been thinking of building a small bass box there, however this won't be much good for the passenger..... It's a tricky situation and one I'll be thinking about more when the weather gets better and I start driving my car again. BTW I'm no head-bangin' bass-hungry dance freak - I just like to hear the whole tune :-) Martin #1458 #4426 Original Message: ----------------- From: Soma576@xxxx Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:14:40 EST To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DML] biggest speaker possible in rear speaker holes Robert, Martin, etc. - maybe what i need is suggestions on what i should be doing. replacing the rear speakers in their stock location with something acoustically better, or building something into the rear wall. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .