On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, wmack wrote: > ...but a VW Jetta came racing up behind me. I followed him until we got > to a pretty big upward hill, then I slammed it back into fourth and > floored it. I flew past the Jetta and once he saw me, he just took off > and blew by me. [...] So once again, I got burnt by another little 4 > cylinder. The VW/Audi I4 engine is not just another "little 4 cylinder." The 1.8 liter turbo engine in those cars is just under 200 horsepower in stock form, and a simple chip upgrade adds about 30 horsepower. A complete turbo upgrade brings them up to 250-300 horsepower. It's a very torquey engine at all these power levels, too. When I was considering an engine swap on my Delorean, before deciding that it was just too involved, the VW 1.8T was one of the engines I was seriously considering using. So don't feel bad. You weren't beaten by just another little four cylinder. You were beaten by a really nice little four cylinder. :) -andrew #4115 Houston TX