Not sure if DMCH needs to "credit" the DML regarding the paper toy. The Delorean paper toy has been around for more than six months and may in fact have been out for more than a year by now. I know the DML was not how I first found out about it and, therefore, it may not have been how DMCH originally found out about it either. Although I do remember Marc's post about the Delorean paper toy back in May 2002, the Delorean paper toy was on the paper toy website at least 6 - 7 months earlier, since I first heard about it from Tamir in an email back in November 2001, many months before a DML post. I'm not sure if someone emailed Tamir earlier about its existance, but I know Tamir gets a lot of pre-release info about many things Delorean related. I remember hearing about Rick G's twin engine Delorean way before it's debut in Memphis. Because of his premier website of all things Delorean, Tamir does seem to get the scoop on many things Delorean before the rest of the general public. ----------------------------------- To: Rich Subject: DeLorean paper cut out Pretty cool stuff. Enjoy. ----------------------------------- This paper cutout gift link was sent to you by a visitor to PaperToys.com. The link to your paper cut-out toy is: http://papertoys.com/toy.php?no=2173 This gift was sent by: Tamir Sent at: Mon, 26 Nov 2001, 14:21:50 The gift was sent to: Rich If you were sent this in error, please report this immediately to signups@xxxx ----------------------------------- I do not know or wish to comment about the permission status of printing the Delorean paper toy, but I did want to make sure that other readers of the DML know that the Delorean paper toy has been "out there" for a while and maybe for a year or more. My nephews enjoyed cutting them out (with rounded tip scissors) and putting them on top of the SunStar cars they got last Xmas. Later, Rich W. > snip < > > In the same disrespect for us, DeLoreans magazine printed on page 24 of the Summer 2002 issue a DeLorean paper toy. Their claim is "we never pass up on the strange little tidbits of DeLorean oddities we come across." They do admit it is not their original work but, yet they do not credit the DML for supplying them with the source of this material (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/message/25770) or, the source themselves (http://papertoys.com/delorean.htm). I will assume that the publisher of DeLoreans did get proper permission to reprint this drawing, so I will make no judgments about copyright (heck, I don't even know if papertoys holds the copyright!). However, it is in bad taste to not give credit to the originator (was it papertoys.com, or someplace else?) of the drawing and to further modify it to remove the "plug" for the source > > snip <