My 83, vin 20049, had no tips. It does now thanks to my new "free flow" Polished stainless steel exhaust system! Incidentally, the BHP was increased by 20% just by fitting the new system! Details later as soon as the photo's and data are loaded to the website. Chris P DOC UK -----Original Message----- From: Adam [mailto:acprice1@xxxx] Sent: 09 October 2002 04:02 To: dmcnews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [DML] 17000 series I thought it was the 83s that had exhaust tips.. My 83 has exhaust tips, as far as I know they are stock. vin 16683 Adam